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USAir 737-300 And -400 Scheduled To Be Broken Up!  
User currently offlineIslandHopper From United States of America, joined Feb 2003, 327 posts, RR: 2
Posted (11 years 7 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 7472 times:

According to the Mojave newsgroup, USAirways 737-300 N534AU (built 1989, still in old USAir colors)


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and 737-400 N412US (built 1988)


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are scheduled to be (or may have been by now) ferried to Greenwood to be broken up for parts. These are perfectly good, undamaged aircraft, but probably due for a major maintenance.

Evidently the used aircraft market is so depressed that the planes have more value as parts than as a whole. These planes are not even 15 years old and are already headed for the scrap heap! Truly a sad time in the history of aviation.


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User currently offlineFlyf15 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (11 years 7 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 7415 times:

If I remember correctly, these will be some of the first broken up 737 classics ever. The only other occasion(s) I can think of are at least one Ansett aircraft being scrapped.

User currently offlineCloudy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (11 years 7 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 7403 times:

If I remember correctly, these will be some of the first broken up 737 classics ever.
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Do you include just the -300, -400, and -500 as classics, or do you include the -200 as well? I would be surprised if there were not a significant number of -200s broken up but I've been surprised before...


User currently offlineNa From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10817 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (11 years 7 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 7377 times:

Certainly a major part of the 737-200s and -100s has already been scrapped. Apart from Air Canada there is no major carrier operating these noisy oldies anymore. At least none I´m aware of.

User currently offlineSam the Lab From Ireland, joined Aug 2001, 232 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (11 years 7 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 7368 times:

Well now, Ryanair still have a score or so of Boeing 737-200s still flying very successfully, thank you very much! Certainly, it is likely that Ryanair may be considered to be a major carrier in anyone's eyes?

User currently offlineAfitch7881 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 816 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (11 years 7 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 7361 times:

America West, Alaska Airlines, and Delta are just a few to name that still fly the 737-200.


Eric


User currently offlineContinentalFan From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 357 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (11 years 7 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 7281 times:

Don't forget Southwest...

User currently offlineNa From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10817 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (11 years 7 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 7242 times:

Re the 737-200s of AC I meant major international airlines, not locally operating airlines like Southwest or low-cost carriers like Ryanair. I thought that Delta is phasing out the 732s.
Name a first tier operator other than Delta that still has the 732 and you´ll see me surprised.

Shame about these quite young two ex US-737s to be scrapped. Do they have a bad individual history or what? Flying lemons, incidents?


User currently offlineDeltaRules From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3840 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (11 years 7 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 7240 times:

Also, several US carriers operated them until recently:

-US Airways used them for their MetroJet division after they left mainline.
-UA had them until after 9/11.
-CO had them until 1999, I think.
-Vanguard, while not major, had them until they went under.
-AirTran had them until last year.

I'm surprised nobody's mentioned a new 737-200 operator yet...Hooters Air!

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User currently offlineHlywdCatft From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5321 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (11 years 7 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 7209 times:

There is a cargo carrier at YIP that flies a couple cargo 737-200s also.

How many 100s are still flying?


User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12150 posts, RR: 49
Reply 10, posted (11 years 7 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 7176 times:

Frontier still has a couple of them in service as well.


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User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6631 posts, RR: 21
Reply 11, posted (11 years 7 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 7128 times:

Don't you love it when thread goes in a completely different direction?


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User currently offlinePhilly phlyer From United States of America, joined May 1999, 317 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (11 years 7 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 7114 times:

Na stated "I meant major international airlines, not locally operating airlines like Southwest." Last time I looked at the numbers, Southwest was bigger than most "major international airlines" in terms of revenue, aircraft, passengers and market cap. Sort of like the old days with United was the biggest airline in the western world with its only "international" flights being to Toronto.



User currently offlineDIA From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3273 posts, RR: 27
Reply 13, posted (11 years 7 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 7094 times:

As Luz2fly said, Frontier still has two 732s. That'll change this summer when they are replaced by A318s.

Though not as major as some might consider a major. . .Aloha is still flying the 732 at least through next year if not longer.

In terms of the 733 and 734 being broken up, that is pretty quick. I remember when the 733 was brand spankin' new and Western Airlines showed it off in their new silver body c/s.

DIA



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User currently offlineSllevin From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 3376 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (11 years 7 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 7057 times:

Actually, IIRC, Ansett had a -300 that was in the middle of a D check when they went under, and that plane was scrapped rather than re-assembled.

But it is sad to see the fan-classic 737's getting broken up.

Steve


User currently offlineIslandHopper From United States of America, joined Feb 2003, 327 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (11 years 7 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 6992 times:

Yeah, Ansett was first with the fan-classic 737. They also broke up some BAe-146s from the 80s. Northwest scrapped their MD80s, and some USAir MD80s are on their way to the torch. Wasn't there an America West A320 that was scrapped for parts after a very minor problem?

I wonder when other types of 80s production airliners will start to go. Boeing 757 and 767 are probably next to be broken up. Rumor has it (only a rumor!)that the long-stored Ansett 767s are headed that way.


User currently offlineUN_B732 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 4289 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (11 years 7 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 6941 times:

America West has 737-200s
Don't they??
-Transaero Boeing 737-200
UN Doesn't have them anymore in service, they are replaced by 300s.



What now?
User currently offlineATA L1011 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 1392 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (11 years 7 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 6902 times:

Some of the EX. TWA 767-200ER's at VCV are headed for the scrappers torch as well. An aircraft built in 88 or 89 is still fairly new I dont see why they are being scrapped.


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User currently offlineScottb From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6826 posts, RR: 32
Reply 18, posted (11 years 7 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 6830 times:

Delta and Southwest still operate the 737-200 (and by the way, Southwest is LARGER than Air Canada, even if they don't cross international boundaries in scheduled service). And America West, Alaska, and Frontier, which all operate the 737-200, offer international service. I'd add that two of the largest South American airlines, VARIG and Aerolineas Argentinas, also still have 737-200's.

It actually makes sense that some of US Airways' MD-80's were scrapped -- they had some of the first ones off the assembly line as PSA had been the first airline to order the MD-80. Virtually all of US's MD-80's were over 20 years old at the time they were retired.


User currently offlineN628AU From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 344 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (11 years 7 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 6787 times:

While sad to see any bird scrapped, from the point of view of the majors you have to love this. Reducing the number of of used aircraft in the desert will raise the values on used aircraft and help to keep down the number new startup carriers getting planes on the cheap. The lessors probably like it longer term as well, as the write off for the break up (less the value of the sold parts), raises the value of planes on the market. I would expect more of this to happen as more and more airlines are going to lessors to renegotiate rates.

User currently offlineUnited_Fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7545 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (11 years 7 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 6738 times:

You'de think some second & third tier operaters would love a -300 or -400 to replace their gas guzzling -200's if the price was right. Cayman Airways comes to mind as well as Bahamasair.


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User currently offlineSpacepope From Vatican City, joined Dec 1999, 2990 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (11 years 7 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 6674 times:

Re the America Weat A-320 that was scrapped recently- The aircraft suffered a nosegear collapse upon landing, and there was some damage done to the structure of the forward fuselage when it impacted the runway, not to mention when it went sliding along.

Does anyone know the number of cycles and hours on these birds?

Also, how bout the fleet leaders in cycles and hours for 757s as well (about same vintage as 733/4/5s)

T.j.



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User currently offlineUSAFHummer From United States of America, joined May 2000, 10685 posts, RR: 52
Reply 22, posted (11 years 7 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 6633 times:

Those ex-Eastern 757-200's of US are getting pretty old...probably the cycles and hours leader for their type...including the oldest 757 in passenger service...they seem to be in ok shape...I wonder what US's plan is for them...

Greg



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User currently offlineKKMolokai From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 760 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (11 years 7 months 18 hours ago) and read 6480 times:

Aloha Airlines still uses the 737-200ADV (Advanced) and 737-200QC (Quick Change) models.


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User currently offlineExnonrev From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 621 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (11 years 7 months 15 hours ago) and read 6412 times:

Scrapping 15-20 year old airframes isn't entirely new. A number of 1958-61 vintage 707s and DC-8s got the beer can treatment in the mid to late '70s.

The DC-8-20s and -30s were great candidates for JT3D and freighter conversions, but with a glut of newer DC-8s available as the majors were replacing them with widebodies, their fates were sealed.

As for the EA 757s, they still have quite a bit of life in them. I checked the FAA SDR database for the 757-225s and found them hovering around the 58-60,000 hour/22-25,000 cycle mark. This is info from America West's -225s as USAir doesn't list hour/cycle data on their SDRs. (in violation of FAA regs)


25 AWA22 : "America West has 737-200s Don't they??" HP sure does have some -200's in the fleet, only around 12 or 13 though and they are only going to be around
26 DL_Mech : Scrapping 15-20 year old airframes isn't entirely new. A number of 1958-61 vintage 707s and DC-8s got the beer can treatment in the mid to late '70s.
27 Post contains links and images Flynavy : In regards to the post concerning the -100 model, the last -100 to fly in the United States was operated by America West. It was also the Phoenix Sun'
28 Keesje : Are any airlines taking up the opportunity to buy 737 classics to replace their non stage III, now that prices are so low ? Many noisy 737-200, DC9´s
29 Trintocan : That's very sad to hear - those planes are not very old at all! Also posted recently was the sad tale of the 2 ex-Canada 3000/Royal A310s ferried here
30 Rojo : Aviacsa (6A) has been buying ex MetroJet B737-200's from US Airways. They have more than 10 examples in their fleet. I will think that the B732's boug
31 Post contains images Ghost77 : Only 2 B737-100s in the world.... AeroContinente OB-1745 (C/N 3) a B737-130. And The Mexican Air Force TP-03 (C/N 217) a B737-112. As Rojo mention ..
32 IslandHopper : Not really less logical from their standpoint. 737-300s and 400s are worth a LOT just in parts because used parts for these are extremely rare (and mo
33 Post contains links and images Trintocan : AFAIK, there is actually 70% or so commonality between 737-300 and 737-200 - the engines and elements of the flightdeck being among the major differen
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