Spyderz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 1, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1810 times:
The flights show up as stated on OAG. This is quite suprising since I wouldn't think the demand between YVR and Mexico is that large. The YVR-MEX route was only started quite recently, and the equipment upgrade is quite nice, while in reality they are only adding two more weekly flights.
Connector4you From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 2, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1751 times:
It's confirmed, Mexicana will fly daily Mexico City to Vancouver starting July 01, with a B757. The three weekly non-stop flights MEX-YVR will be in a codeshare with Air Canada. The other four weekly flights will be one stop in
Guadalajara and Monterrey.
Let's not forget that JAL and Aeromexico are also codesharing on the very same route - twice weekly with B747-300.
Its all about competing so its always nice to see that happening at YVR.
Sadly I've seen today the first Air Canada B 747-300 stripped of its logo and tail maple leaf . . .
Pzurita1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 4, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1683 times:
I hope these two new routes (GDL-YVR and MTY-YVR) could become in a success for MX... They have reported heavy losses for 1Q and tempting to open new markets as dubious as these two seems quite odd. Especially if you consider that AM started 14x betwen GDL-MTY-JFK a couple of years ago... That was way too much... Currently, it is only 4x.
Alvaro From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 6, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1670 times:
I live in Guadalajara so this is great news. I know there is a lot of potencial market of people who, living here, go to study english to Vancouver. A LOT. Also Whistler is a very well-known, popular ski destination for us. Im sure the flights will be full, at least in high season.
It was about time to get our first non-stop flight to Canada. Appart from several cities in th US, GDL only has direct service to Havana and now Vancouver. Hope it works for Mexicana!
Connector4you From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 7, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 1639 times:
B-HOX you're right definitely was a 400 series. I was on Arthur Laing Bridge at the time while the aircraft was parked on the apron outside Air Canada Maintenance Centre so I don't know the reg. I'll try get it today if the aircraft is still there.
Mx330 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 9, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1566 times:
Yes Alvaro.
I've heard of many people leaving in GDL that go to Canada and also people form MEX. I'm sure the flights will be full, but not that sure if they'll be just season flights or maybe get downgraded to a A319 later on...
Connector4you From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 11, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1534 times:
B-HOX this seem to be the first AC 747-400 to leave their fleet reg C-FCRA.
tumultuous history for this aircraft which ironically, used to wear the Canadian Pacific livery only three years ago.
. . . back to our topic I think it's good timing for Mexicana and AC to increase capacity on the YVR-MTY-GDL-MEX. Canada 3000 is gone, Airtransat presence is fading away, HMY is looking towards Toronto, Alaska is offering connecting flights.
Besides, who else than the Mexicans could better promote their legendary hospitality at Vancouver Airport?! It's up to them to take on this rare opportunity and make this route successful. Vancouverites are still loving the Mexican Riviera!
B-HOX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 12, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1524 times:
Yup......i just found out it was C-FCRA................Sad i flew her twice 8 years ago......
Its true i feel it is a good time for Mexicana to step up MEX-YVR flights....especailly its unlikely AC is going add any new routes soon...seems like there is some demand for it for YVR-MEX-GDL-MTY.......
SR117 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 14, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 1481 times:
If the're reducing capacity on many markets (with A319s), why would they buy widebodies?
Widebodies sound nice, they make us feel the airline is big and powerful ! But do we want an airline like VARIG? Yeah they're big, they fly to Tokyo, they have widebodies, but they're also nearly bankrupt. I think that AM and MXs relativeley small size has definitley helped them out weather this storm.
I say that AM and MXs current strategy is the wisest choice, they have been moving slowly and carefully, maybe a bit too carefully perhaps, but both airlines are in no position to spend all the money required to introduce 1 or 2 new aircrafts of a single type. Look at them, they're firing pilots ! They're probably trying to strech out their current resources to the max.
It's nice to hear nonetheless about these new routes, hope they start doing better soon !
Ghost77 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 15, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 1459 times:
Mexicana and AeroMexico do need widebodies!!!!!
Both airlines are loosing a lot in many markets!
Flights and frecuencies to MX), Mexico">MEX can not lie!
- Last April, Lufthansa added 3 more flights to MX), Mexico">MEX (days 1,3 and 6) making a total of 10 flights a week.
- On May 28th, Air France increased capacity from a B772 to a B744. From Jun to October.
- On July 1st 03, Iberia is introducing the A3406 to their fleet and how come MX), Mexico">MEX it´s going to be the first route??? Why MMMX over KMIA.....???
Widebodies aircrafts flying into MX), Mexico">MEX: A300S, B763S, B747S & A340.
Airlines A300 (American), B7673S (American A, Air Canada, Lan Chile, Varig, Avianca, LAB), B747s (JAL, KLM, LH, AF, BA) (IB A343/6)
And remember Aeroflot with IL96 and A310.... Argentinas with B747, A340 and A310 to MX), Mexico">MEX??? etc, etc....
AeroMexico and Mexicana need to lease (not neccesary to buy) a fleet of widebodies!
Remember Taesa´s Dc10s, A300s, B767s? Yes, yes I know they went belly up, but they didn´t dissappear from the route map because of it´s fleet of widebodies... reasons were others. Also I was told by a ex-Taesa mexican pilot (1 of 8 flying for Eva Air) that Taesa once rented a B747 for Asia operations! Don´t know if the aircraft flew with Mexican flag or Taesa´s colors, but the aircraft had a mexican crew.. that´s why a lot of pilots are now in Asia flying the 747.
Remember AeroCancun with A310s,A300s! and Latur´s A300s!!
I don´t want to see AeroMexico with flights to Tokio, that´s impossible! And also we can´t compare AM and MX with Varig nor Mexico´s market with Brazil´s.
Also we have to take into consideration the geographic position.... Brazil is far away from the US and Canada... compared to Mexico a lot of Mexicans take conection flights in US and Canada, Brazilians are forced to take direct flights from their country to Europe.. not Mexicans.... we have a lot of choices... a lot of competition... Mexican carriers got a lot of competition from US carriers!!
I think Mexicana need to lease 4 767s in their fleet for routes to LAX, MIA, BOG, CUN, MTY, GDL & TIJ, while AeroMexico needs 4 777s to run European and South America routes, while 2 767-300s could run flights to TIJ, GDL, MTY, CUN, MIA, JFK.
I really like the way MX and AM are doing the things right now.... Mexicana just retired the 727 last friday, while 1 F100 just left the fleet last Thuesday, and this friday another F100s will be on it´s way to Holland. Probably by the end of the year Mexicana will be flying near 40 A320s family (right now 37) 8 F100s and 12 B757... by the time the last F100 leave MX fleet, i´m preety sure new things such as widebodie aircrafts will come to the fleet. Same thing for AeroMexico after the retire of the old Dc9s.
Ghost77 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 16, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 1457 times:
Forget to say.. there´s a rumour running of a new charter Mexican start-up carrier.... don´t know what aircraft type they will get... but the name is Olympic, Olimpic.. and first flight is going to be on July 04th of 2003. More info about to come as soon as I get more! The Q is... will they have time and enough organization in order to start flights in Mexico?
Rojo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 19, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1430 times:
Ricardo:
As I always say, it is not so easy for AM or MX to get a widebody fleet. I know the frustration of many mexican aviation fans when they see LH, IB and AF increasing frequencies or sending a bigger airplanes to MX), Mexico">MEX, but they do have the airplane available. Air France decision to send the B747-400 to MX), Mexico">MEX has to do with the 2 new B744 they got. They don't have a place to send them that will give them the yields in order to fly profitable. Since the downturn of the Asia/Pacific market, for AF, it is wiser to send the B744 to MX), Mexico">MEX and the B777 to Asia. Even if they send the 744M, Mexico is also a good freight market. Lufthansa is sending 3 extra weekly B744's to Mexico, but they have lots of B747's. Can you imagine the economies of scale all this airlines have by flying a large fleet of B744's and B777's??? Unless AM or MX get a big number of B777's or B747's they will not have the same costs that IB, LH or AF have. So they will always be competing with a disadvantage. Other important fact will be the connecting passengers. In order to get a profit of this flights, it has to be a lot of O&D traffic paying high fares and not many connecting passengers paying lower fares.
If AeroMexico wants to compete against the new IB, LH and AF flights they have to be wiser and they should get more B767 200's and 300's. I will say that AM could get two more B767-300's and upgrade MAD and CDG, then start testing some days sending two B767-200's (B762 = 179 seats * 2 = 358 seats / B763 = 209 seats) that will make a wiser decision than getting the B777 which they can't give maintenance because they don't have the expertise and if they want to give them maintenance, they will have to spend lots of $$$ to do it and to hire and train mechanics with (1MM USD in spares for the aircraft). Additionally, in low seasons, they could reduce flights and send the B767's to Tijuana and Cancun giving them much more flexibility than a B777.
So 2 more B762's and 1 more B763 for AM will be enough to start increasing trasatlantic and south american routes. MX should get 2 B762's and 1 B763 to test flights to FRA and LON (maybe) and then sending them to LAX occasionally while getting the advantage of AM giving them maintenance while both airlines are still owned by CINTRA.
This are my two cents, but after knowing that CINTRA lost $100Million USD ($1,060Million MXP) in the first three months I don't think AM and MX will survive if Mr. Pasquel and Mr. Flores keep running the airlines like this. I'm just happy to know that my taxes won't be helping both airlines to continue operations, since I won't be paying taxes in Mexico for a while.
SR117 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 20, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1410 times:
True, European airlines are increasing frequencies to MEX with widebodies, but their position is totally different, they have a whole European network to feed from ! and if loads go down, they can just put the plane on another route.
And as Rojo says, what would they do in the downtimes with such big planes?
Loads aren't that good systemwide, while working with AM I used to love looking at flight loads to different places, and you'd be surprised, sometimes it made me wonder how the airline stayed afloat, while during summer or holidays the flights were totally full, most other times it's so sad ! flights to CDG, MAD, with 60-100 people sometimes, and once I checked the flight to GRU, only about 30something people !!!! And this is without mentioning the countless domestic md80s that routineley depart with loads of 20 something passengers.
What I'm trying to say is that while widebodies are a good idea for the good times, but what do you do with so much exess capacity when times aren't so good? outside of transatlantic routes, there ain't many other domestic routes that can realistically support a 777 other than a few times per year.
So while I do think some widebody expansion is a good idea, it would most probably be best served by a couple of more 767s to compliment the current fleet.
Ghost77 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 22, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1373 times:
Latinplane,
Global Air signed a contract with Grupo Televisa to take artist and music bands for the 'Aca Fest 2003' festival which all years take place at Acapulco´s port and nice beaches!.
Probably they prefered renting an aircraft instead of buying tickets from other airlines flying to ACA.
So this contract consisted in 2 daily flights flying the route MEX-ACA-MEX from Saturday, May 17th to Monday, May 26th.
This far there were the only days we saw the ailine flying....
I was told they are searching for the best markets and also that they got plans to bring a second aircraft, this time a B737-300.
Ghost77 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 23, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1368 times:
Rojo and Ricardo,
No, no!!! Dejenme ser necio!!!! We need widebodies!!! Not because they look nice... or because they would look cool in MX or AM´s colors!
Ok, I know it´s easy to make some movements from big airlines and change aircraft type into MX), Mexico">MEX...... I understand that point. And yes, unforunetly those economy scales are vast compared to Mexico´s!
AeroMexico do not neccesary need a big fleet of 777s! Cost won´t go higher.. engines would be PW same as 757´s and 767s... not same version but still is Pratt & W, also we are talking about flying Boeing... not changing from a Boeing fleet to an Airbus with 330s or 340s... (just like Lan Chile did.. and from what I was told... LA said that they made a big mistake by getting the 340 over the 777...., 320 was not a problem, they are please with this bus ok?!)
You mention that operation costs could go higher if you fly a small fleet or aircrafts compared to IB, LH, AF, but can you expalain me why other airlines have a small fleet and they are doing fine?, or at least not returning the aircrafts??.... some examples of 767s and 777s:
Shanghai Airlines.. 4 7673s.
Royal Air Maroc.... 2 7673s.
LAB.................... 2 7673s.
PLUNA................ 1 7673.
Air Luxor............. 1 7672.
Air Pacific............ 1 7673.
Air Europa............ 3 7673s.
Aeromar............... 1 7672.
Blue Panorma........ 2 7673s.
Lauda Air............. 3 7673s.
Aero Continente.... 2 7672s.
And my list continues....
Air Austral............ 2 7772s.
Asiana................. 4 7772s.
Delta................... 8 7772s. (A very small 777 fleet for a Us airline)
Lauda Air.............. 3 7772s.
Varig................... 2 7772s.
Aeroflot............... 2 7772s.
El Al Israel............ 4 7772s.
Many operators with a few aircraft type.. if these airlines can... why not AeroMexico and Mexicana.
I really get your idea of getting 2 more B763s for MAD and CDG... but I think that´s not the way they should do it.... better if they upgrade the route with 2 7772s for MAD and CDG.... and then I consider sending a daily flight in some days of the week with B7673. (Some people like AM´s service in the 767s, but inflight entreteinment it´s not that good in those 762s.) The only routes I would left the B762 would be for GRU and SCL.
The only good news out of this, is that AM it´s considering another B763 for the end of this year.
About Mexicana, I also think that 4 A330s or 2 B763s and 2 B762s for FRA, LON, BOG, EZE (the months they flight to this city) and some US routes would be fine.
Loads aren´t that good.... ok, I understand that point... but AeroMexico don´t fly 365 days to MAD and CDG with only 60-100 pax. Some uncle´s (MX Pilots) told me that sometimes in the last flight of Friday in the route MTY-MX), Mexico">MEX they fly with only 10 to 20 pax on board, but if the airlines really have poor loads why AM wants to finish this year with 50 MD80s in their fleet and the third largest MD80 fleet in the world over American and SAS (current situation is 44). Why they substitute the Dc9 with MD87s? That´s equal to 10 extra seats per aircraft.... why getting 737-7s (120 seats per acft) .... AM with these fleet renovation it´s increasing seat capacity!
AM and MX need to work hard for making Good times all the year!!! They have to work hard to get Mexicans fly from here and with Mexican airlines instead of going to the north and take flights in the US or Canada.
Seats p/week by Canadian carriers..... 1,267.
Seats p/week by US carriers... 29,386.
Seats p/week by AeroMexico..... 18858.
Seats p/week by Mexicana..... 20014.
Seats p/week by CINTRA..... 38872.
Seats p/week by South America..... 12322.
Seats p/week by European carriers...... 12195.
Seats p/week by Asia...... 740.
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Seats p/week by Intl. carriers.... 55,910 compared to 38,872 = 94,872.
So Mexican carriers ARE NOT 50/50...., we are missing 17,038 seats!
17,038 / 181 (767 capacity) = 91 - 767s!!!!
Now, from the 55,910 seats from the intl carriers if flights go full! Let´s say that a 10% of Mexicans are connecting to Asia or Europe.. we are talking about 5,591 pax flying devided into 181 = 30 widebodies!....
We need 21,901 seats in the Mexican airlines.... = to 121 widebodies!
So, don´t tell me that a fleet of 4 to 6 B777s and 3/4 763s in AeroMexico, or 6 A343 in Mexicana, or 4 330s and 4 762s or 763s is toooooo much for AM and MX!!!!!!. I insist! We have to win in the market! Don´t let go Mexicans with other carriers!!!!!!!!
My last 2 cents hahaha!
ghost77
25 Ghost77: A few corrections... AC....MMMX-YYZ.... 767..... 7.... 181.... 1,267 767 not 320. We need 21,901 seats MORE in the Mexican airlines.... = to 121 767 w
26 SR117: Hey Ghost77 ! True true, you're entitled to be a bit stubborn if you want : ) Well, I guess we can have our opinions, but it's the people running CIN
27 Cdeanda: About the GDL-YVR flight, I also live in Guadalajara, and I think It will be a great opportunity for both countries to increase their commerce. I love
28 Mx330: Off course I think MX and AM give excellent service, even better than JAL, IB, and maybe AF. People have always said that IB MEX-MAD route service sti
29 Ghost77: SR117, I do think we need 8 small airlines or even MORE!!!!!, It´s better than having 1 or 2 big carriers... if we have 1 or 2 carriers (in fact we h
30 Ghost77: Mx330, No no, we don´t need to bring exactly 121 / 767s! Which is equal to 21,901 seats more, BUT AM and MX DO need to increase that seat capacity in
31 SR117: Hey there Ghost ! Well, fragmentation is not really the way the airline industry worldwide is moving right now. I don't think it's very good to compar
32 Rojo: Ricardo: To answer some of your questions: Mexicana and AeroMexico are in great trouble financially speaking. Mexicana has some loans granted with the
33 Olli: Ghost 77: As far as I know they will start with 2 and for the winter a third one will be added. They will start with cities like NY, PHL, BOS, ORD et
34 Ghost77: Hey SR117! You missed Mexico; AeroMexico (w/Aerolitoral) and Mexicana (w/AeroCaribe) two airlines... Aviacsa still no competition.. only 4 intl destin
35 LeoDF: MMMMMM... ??????????? Great discussions! There is a lot to say...! 1) Glad to see Mexicana expanding services! 2) Glad to hear there will be a new air
36 Eduardo Lepe: Nice to hear that Mexicana is increasing his freqs. To YYS. Another great step for the Mexicans airlines. Well, I read most part of the discussion, an
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