Gr8slvrflt From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 1587 posts, RR: 11 Reply 1, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2656 times:
The Douglas DC-7C offered the first nonstop in both directions, year round in 1956. The Lockheed 1649 Starliner was able to offer U.S. West Coast to Europe nonstop in 1957; the Britannia started the same year. Nonstop jet service began in 1959 (Boeing 707-320) and 1960 (DC-8-30). BTW, DZR offered the first scheduled nonstop Europe to NYC service in 1936 with the Hindenburg. Pan Am's Boeing Clippers began flying to Europe in 1939 with fuel stops in the Azores.
Cptkrell From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 2877 posts, RR: 13 Reply 2, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2578 times:
I'm entirely sure you aren't asking about the Graf Zeppelin and Hindenburg , so, as far as I know, the first regularly scheduled non-stop transatlantic passenger flight was in August, 1947 (NY-London) on a PAA Connie...Jack
RayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 7866 posts, RR: 5 Reply 3, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2552 times:
I believe if you're asking flying between New York City and London or Paris non-stop in both directions, they started in the middle 1950's with longer-range versions of the DC-7 and Constellation became available. Before that time, planes plying this route either had to stop in Gander or Shannon to refuel.
When BOAC started its LHR-IDL-LHR service with the Comet 4 jet airliner in late 1958, the plane could fly eastbound non-stop but had to stop in Gander westbound. Small wonder why the 707-320B became popular for transatlantic routes, because it could fly from western Europe to IDL non-stop year-round.
B747skipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 5, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2488 times:
Dear Zrs70 -
The first PanAm 707s in late 1958 were the 121, not the 321 intercontinental, the 321 were delivered only a year later - the first 321 was N714PA... I flew that airplane in my early days when it was near retirement...
It took the 321B (with fan engines and increased weight) to really say that the flights could carry full load and ample reserves. PanAm had a few DC8-30 but these were far from able to compete with the early 321s, the DC8 were slower too... the old timers at PanAm called them the DC-Late...
Timz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6634 posts, RR: 7 Reply 6, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 2398 times:
As everyone knows PA started 707-121 flights in 10/58 but didn't fly the -321 transatlantic until late 1959. With the -121 the Paris-NY flights always needed at least one stop. Yes, at least one-- dunno why, but some flights did stop twice. I'll check, but as I recall the London-NY flights were nonstop maybe one time out of four.
The DC-7C and 1649 were the first airliners to reliably make the westbound nonstop, but earlier airliners could do it at least occasionally. After all, a DC-6B flew nonstop LA (Long Beach?) to Paris in 1953.
RayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 7866 posts, RR: 5 Reply 9, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2245 times:
Actually, from what I've read the DC-7's and the longer-range Constellations that flew the transatlantic route from the middle 1950's on had generous seating pitches by 2003 standards. The average seating pitch on those planes was more like 36", and definitely more in the premium class seating areas.
B747skipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 15, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2019 times:
Economy class only started around the mid to late 1950s... until then, all flights were single class, and expensive... I remember, as a kid, flying from USA to Europe, my favorite was the Stratocruiser, I was making myself a pest in the lounge downstairs or playing in the stairs... My dad was posted at the US Embassy in Paris for many years, so I was a "junior" frequent flyer with PanAm and TWA... My first jet flight was on the PanAm 707 from Paris to New York around Christmas 1958... we stopped in Shannon as I remember well, then again in Bangor, Maine, apparently running short on fuel.
When jet age came, in the late 1950s and early 1960s, there were 2 different rates available for tickets as well, for trips on "prop airplanes", or on "jets"...
Jet flights were much more expensive...
My last flight as a passenger on a propeller airplane, was JFK to LUX (with a stop in KEF, with a CL44J from Iceland's Loftleidir) - in these days (1967) they had the cheapest Atlantic fare, I think it used to be $189 one way...
They did pack some 219 passengers in these CL44J (a stretched version of the CL44D4)... that airline was popular for students backpacking trips to Europe...