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Air Canada To Grow 17% At YUL  
User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4970 posts, RR: 51
Posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 5032 times:

Today on CFCF news

The president of the ADM Mr.James Cherry was discussing the future of Montreal and Air Canada.

Anyway, in July, Air Canada intends to increase capacity by 17%. The highlights of this expansion are a new 2nd daily flight to FRA, non-stop to YYT, YEG, and increased capacity to the domestic/transborder components of their network. THe 17% in capacity does not include United express 7 daily flights, and Lufthansa/Austrian increases.

I am very pleased with this news, and I wonder if this is the way that Air Canada can develop YUL into a 2nd alternative to Toronto.

Mark

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User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4970 posts, RR: 51
Reply 1, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 4986 times:

From NVP..

Insolvent Air Canada will shrink as an airline but boost its presence in Montreal, the head of city’s airport corporation said yesterday.
James Cherry, president of Aeroports de Montreal, said Canada’s biggest airline will increase its service in and out of Montreal, even as it puts into place a fleet of tinier planes and realigns to what it calls a “smaller network.”
“They’re looking forward to adding activity here because it actually serves them,” Cherry said of Air Canada.
“We’re actually benefiting. So obviously there’s somebody else losing. I can’t speculate on who that is.”
Cherry said the Montreal carrier will increase its flights in and out of Dorval airport by 17 per cent this summer compared to last year. He said the airline will also offer 10 per cent more seats.
“This is foreseen as a fundamental and permanent change,” he said.
Air Canada official Isabelle Arthur could not confirm Cherry’s information. She said the airline’s overall capacity for Montreal for the 2003 summer is the same as summer 2002.
Nevertheless, the airline’s plan is to increase the number of passengers connecting through Montreal within Canada and to the U.S., Arthur said. The airline has re-introduced direct service from Montreal to Charlottetown, St.John’s and Edmonton. It also plans to increase service to major U.S. business centres like Boston and Philadelphia.
Air Canada’s international offerings from Montreal are another story.
On March 7 and with great fanfare, Air Canada announced new service from Montreal to Rome and Beirut. The two cities overseas are “important markets to serve, particularly for the large Italian and Lebanese communities in Montreal, Bill Bredt, Vice President of Air Canada network and revenue management said at the time.
Since then, the airline dropped Rome because it says not enough people bought tickets. As for Beirut, the federal government Monday ordered Air Canada to suspend service because of what it called “national security issues.”
Cherry said Montreal has “no congestion” which allows Air Canada get planes back in the air faster than it could in Toronto and save money. He estimated Dorval’s airport fees for airlines are one third cheaper than Toronto’s Pearson airport.
Air Canada is headquartered in Montreal and has its main maintenance base here. Toronto remains its main hub.
Last year, Aeroports de Montreal carried 9 million passengers and tallied $200 million in revenue.

nvanpraet

thegazette.canwest.com


User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16245 posts, RR: 56
Reply 2, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 4984 times:

This misleading. YUL traffic shrank about 20% from 2001 to 2002, so adding 17% on top of a shrunken base still leaves YUL well behind 2001 traffic levels, indeed likely behind 1999 levels also.

I wonder if this is the way that Air Canada can develop YUL into a 2nd alternative to Toronto.

Not likely. YYZ is 3x the size of YUL. YVR is 50% larger than YUL. YYC continues to grow and will likely take over 3rd place from YUL in a few years. YUL continues to shrink in relative terms, in line with its poor economic outlook.









Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4970 posts, RR: 51
Reply 3, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 4976 times:

Just a question..

How did YUL shrink 20% from 2001 to 2002? The corect number was 11.5%, the percentage lost in Toronto was below 13%..

And AC 50% bigger at YVR.. bogus.

Mark


User currently offlineNoise From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1768 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 4969 times:

Do the math Neil. YVR serves around 15-16 million pax per year. YUL serves 9-10 million. 10/16 does not equal 50%.

And YUL shrank 20%? Those numbers are made up of course. Official stats from the ADM show that YMQ shrank 7.7%. Aircraft movements are up 9.5% so far in 2003.

This is going to be a great summer for YUL. Very busy. Thanks for posting this, Mark!



User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4970 posts, RR: 51
Reply 5, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 4960 times:

Apparently its 67% cheaper for AC to operate flights out of Montreal.

Mark


User currently offlineMark_D. From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 1447 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 4917 times:

Part of this are the website press releases, too:

"Montréal s' aéroporte bien "
http://www.admtl.com/includes/pdf/Allocution_Chambre_com-fr.pdf

"YUL love our new airport!"
http://www.admtl.com/includes/pdf/Allocution_Chambre_com-en.pdf

Talk about all kinds of things, including possibly putting in an integrated hotel in the terminal and working on the road and rail access. Even a few comments courtesy of Milty, lol.


User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16245 posts, RR: 56
Reply 7, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 4895 times:

Do the math Neil. YVR serves around 15-16 million pax per year. YUL serves 9-10 million. 10/16 does not equal 50%.

LOL! You do the math.......
15M/9M = 67%. YVR handles 67% more traffic than YUL.

And YUL shrank 20%? Those numbers are made up of course. Official stats from the ADM show that YMQ shrank 7.7%. Aircraft movements are up 9.5% so far in 2003.

The latest issue of Airliner World reports Q1/2 traffic for YUL as follows:
2002 4.222M
2001 5.045M

This is a reduction of 17% in passenger count from 2001 to 2002. Hence, a 17% increase on a smaller base brings PLANNED YUL traffic back to below 2001, to perhaps 1999 or 2000. Nothing to brag about. Incidently, the Airliner World source was ADM.

Neil












Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4970 posts, RR: 51
Reply 8, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 4885 times:

LOL.

www.admtl.com for statistics Neil ok?

Are you going to compare the statistics from 2001 to 2002? After september 11th and the bankruptcy of canada 3000? If any event, YMQ's traffic dropped from 9.9 mil to 8.81 mil a 7.7% decrease. The latest numbers for 2002 from Airport Council International, show Toronto from 28.1 mil to 25.8 mil, causing a 7.6% drop in traffic.. and SARS will make it even worse Big grin

Latest traffic for January 2003 from ACI shows YYZ gaining 8.2%, while Montreal gains at 10.3%.

So while Don Cherry  Big thumbs up goes on a rant about YUL and losing 20%, he should consult the figures

Mark



[Edited 2003-06-04 04:14:01]

User currently offlineSpyderz From Canada, joined Apr 2001, 651 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 4869 times:

I wouldn't trust Air Canada concerning anything about future plans since I believe Air Canada themseleves don't know how they'll look in a few years time. The press release also states that capacity for YUL is equal this summer to last summer, and omits the fact that YUL-ATL/SFO have been suspended. If Robert Milton continues being CEO of AC, we'll see the airline run like an American carrier and focus its operations on one hub - YYZ. With T-New opening, YYZ will be further strengthened, and this could mean decreasing Air Canada presence at YUL.


User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4970 posts, RR: 51
Reply 10, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 4863 times:

Spyderz,

YUL-ATL/SFO is suspended no doubt. However AC is still sending YEG, YYT, YYG out. They are adding frequencies to over 10 destinations, and strengthening capacity on others. The press release is wrong, because the capacity numbers are much greater this year than last year, by raw calculation.

Once again my view is that there is relatively few destinations that AC can add from YYZ. Where to next? ICN? HKG? SLC? PDX? then what and where? Many of their routes are already over-served (i.e YYZ-DFW), and that is why you see a growing number of down-gauges on routes (ATL/EWR/DFW/PHL/BOS etc.).

Furthermore, it really doesnt matter what T-New can do anyway.

Air Canada is not in the position of US majors. Americans will not transit via Toronto to get to their destination. You will rarely see a person do BOS-YYZ-DFW or BDL-YYZ-MIA etc.

Mark


User currently offlineNoise From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1768 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 4835 times:

LOL! You do the math.......
15M/9M = 67%. YVR handles 67% more traffic than YUL.


Uh.........I don't know how you did in your High school's math courses, but that's not how you calculate averages. You take the 9 million and divide it by 15 million and will equal 60%. That does not mean YVR handles 60% more traffic. In order to find that, you must take the difference, which is 6 million. 6/15 equals 40%. Therefore YVR handles 40% more traffic. IF it really was 50%, what you would have to do is multiply 15 million by 0.5(since percentage points whenmultiplying are based on "1"), and that would equal 7.5 million........but Dorval doesn't handle 7.5 million passengers per year.......doesn't it Neil


User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16245 posts, RR: 56
Reply 12, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 4833 times:

Hey Noise......divide 15/9.....and see what you get....67%

Once again my view is that there is relatively few destinations that AC can add from YYZ. Where to next? ICN? HKG? SLC? PDX? then what and where? Many of their routes are already over-served (i.e YYZ-DFW), and that is why you see a growing number of down-gauges on routes (ATL/EWR/DFW/PHL/BOS etc.).

Most traffic growth at any airport comes from existing routes, not new routes.







Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineNoise From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1768 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 4820 times:

That's not how it's done, Neil. Besides, you won't get 67%, you get 167%. That's impossible. Also, it is unlogical. If 7.5 million equals 50%, 6 million(which is the difference) does not equal 67%.

User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4970 posts, RR: 51
Reply 14, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 4816 times:

Perhaps, but many routes at YYZ I would argue are almost at the point where they can no longer be developed at a further extent.

The principle of a hub is to develop a system of banks. Air Canada's intentions are to do so within a bank. Air Canada also needs to develop these flight in connection with an appropriate bank at the arrival airport to maximize connecting traffic at both ends.

Most of Air Canada;s traffic is already on well-established banks out of YYZ. Air Canada cant add 9pm flights to ORD/DEN/SFO/LAX because it doesnt permit connecting in the arrival cities. Air Canada's got a flight every hour to YVR, do you want one on the :30?

Mark


User currently offlineJean Leloup From Canada, joined Apr 2001, 2116 posts, RR: 19
Reply 15, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 4811 times:

10 million * 1.5 (or 150%) = 15 million. Therefore, as Yyz717 says, YVR has over 150% the traffic of YUL. i.e., more than 50% more. i really don't see why we're arguing about math.
Unless the questio nis what Air Canada's traffic alone is at these airports, as I really don't know. I assume the proportion of AC flights and pax relative to total is higher at YUL than at YYZ



Next flight.... who knows.
User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16245 posts, RR: 56
Reply 16, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 4808 times:

That's not how it's done, Neil. Besides, you won't get 67%, you get 167%.

Oh brother.....15M/9M = 167%.....which means YVR is 67% HIGHER than YUL.

Perhaps, but many routes at YYZ I would argue are almost at the point where they can no longer be developed at a further extent.

That's just your call. I could say the same about YUL. With strong economic growth at YYZ (indeed most cities), traffic growth will continue. YYZ and YYC will lead economic growth in Canada in the next 5 years.

Most of Air Canada;s traffic is already on well-established banks out of YYZ. Air Canada cant add 9pm flights to ORD/DEN/SFO/LAX because it doesnt permit connecting in the arrival cities. Air Canada's got a flight every hour to YVR, do you want one on the :30?

There is enough O+D traffic from YYZ to these cities to permit late night departures from YYZ. As for YVR......yes, when the hourly flights reach saturation, it will go to every 30 minutes for some hours of the day.









Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4970 posts, RR: 51
Reply 17, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 4797 times:

negative, there is none and that is why there are no late night departures to these cities, and the ones that already at the fringe of the latest bank are usually the emptiest flights.

YUL and YYZ used to have NW flights going to DTW and would land there at 10pm, with no bank to connect at. Never did those flights have over 30-40 pax, thus they are not coming back for summer 2003.

Mark


User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16245 posts, RR: 56
Reply 18, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 4790 times:

Last time I checked there was a 930/10pm YYZ-YVR. The last AA and UA YYZ-ORD's left at about 9pm...dont know if they still do. Those would also cover local traffic.

The evening YYZ-LAX/SFO/SEA all leave about 7pm arrive about 9pm...too late for connecting traffic at destination.



Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineLSTC From Canada, joined Jun 2003, 320 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 4770 times:

Many of the flights that YYZ claims are due to people travelling "through" Toronto to get to other places.

I for one hate it. Where I live the common beef is "everthing has to go through Toronto". YYZ is so congested that you can usually tack on 30 minutes of taxi time, and about 30% of the time, the gate isn't ready when we roll up. If you have to overnight, you need a $30 taxi ride to go to the hotel across the street.

Furthermore, any sign of snow flakes seems to snarl traffic and induce huge delays. Its not in Air Canada's best interests to expand the Toronto hub to handle this through traffic. YYZ is at saturation already and they need to figure out a way to relieve it. If I had the choice I would definitely go to Montreal as a stepping stone to the US or Europe. Much less hassle and they don't call the national guard out when it snows.


User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16245 posts, RR: 56
Reply 20, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 4764 times:

YYZ is at saturation already and they need to figure out a way to relieve it.

T-NEW will put everything under one user-friendly terminal. Connections will be as easy as at any hub.






Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineLSTC From Canada, joined Jun 2003, 320 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 4749 times:

YYZ717,

I wasn't talking about terminal space or pax handling. After awhile when you try to funnel so many flights into a small patch of airspace, it magnifies small problems. Short delays or weather causes huge ATC problems. Unexpected inclement weather has the potential to induce a great deal of down time as well, like we witnessed this spring when a snow/ice storm caused the supply of de-ice and anti-ice fluid to be depleted.

I have a theory that time slows down in proximity to large airports. The equation Delay=(((FD/100)^2)*10) defnes the relationship (without taking friction into consdieration). FD is the number of flights a day. The Delay is in minutes and represents how much time you can tack on to your flight time when you visit the airport. An airport that has 100 flights a day causes a 1 hour flight to seem like 1 hour and 10 minutes. An airport with 300 flights a day causes a 1 hour flight to seem like 1 hour and 30 minutes....and so forth.

You can imagine and airport like YVR where there are over 600 movements a day. A one hour flight looks like a whopping 2 hours out of there.

Like Einstein's somewhat popular theory, I believe my theory has something to do with the huge mass of concrete at large airports but doesn't take into consideration how the behaviour of this function will hold up as you approach the centre of the universe...Toronto.

 Smile



User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16245 posts, RR: 56
Reply 22, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 4731 times:

I don't disagree with you.....but much of what you way is compensated for by the sheer volume and variety of connecting possibilities. YYZ has at least one hourly flight to each of LGA and ORD.....hence if you're connecting to those cities thru YYZ, missing your flight is not that bad. Connecting thru YUL and missing your flight COULD mean waiting overnight.

I used to travel extensively on business to many small US markets. I tried ALL the US hubs....I always came back to the larger ones (such as ORD or ATL) simply because of the frequency of flights. With any business travel, time is off the essence.



Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineQb001 From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 2053 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 4656 times:

I think it's clear enough. The 17% growth will not result from an increased capacity in seats, but rather from adjustments in the schedules, thus allowing more pax to use YUL as a hub.


Never let the facts get in the way of a good theory.
User currently offlineYHU From Canada, joined Jun 2000, 428 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 4582 times:

I believe the 17% increase will be in seats available, not seats used. So they will increase the number of available seats out of Montreal. Not the amount of seats that were actually sold out of the Dorval from last year. In 2002, there may have been 15% (number I chose between both of your estimates) less seats sold out of the city, but there was not 15% less seats available. Therefore, you are kind of comparing two different things.

Dave


25 FLYYUL : There is a 17% growth. This comes from the addition of flights to YEG, YYT, YYG. Furthermore, AIr Canada is adding a daily frequency to DCA, PHL, BOS,
26 Yyz717 : There is a 17% growth. This should bring YUL traffic back to 2000 levels. Assuming that the incremental seats can be filled. Big assumption of course.
27 Post contains images FLYYUL : Negative. The numbers this summer will be superior to the total number of seats offered in the year 2000. The year 2000 featured Aeroflot, Tarom, Sabe
28 Yyz717 : Negative. The numbers this summer will be superior to the total number of seats offered in the year 2000. That doesn't make sense. Assuming 2001 grew
29 FLYYUL : Neil there was a 7% drop from 2001 to 2002. Its not that major in comparison. Demand and pax levels are a direct correlation of a supply and demand. M
30 Post contains images Cessnapimp :
31 Yyz717 : Neil there was a 7% drop from 2001 to 2002. Its not that major in comparison. No, it was a 17% drop from 2001 Q1/2 to 2002 Q1/2, not 7%. Traffic dropp
32 IndustrialPate : Its all about the supply.. First off, I’m not taking sides in the continuing YUL vs. YYZ debate. But the comment you made is absolutely ridiculous!
33 FLYYUL : Industrial Pate.. I am speaking in regards to the situation in Montreal. In any event, I work for the same manager who takes care of KL/NW and CO in M
34 FLYYUL : "No, it was a 17% drop from 2001 Q1/2 to 2002 Q1/2, not 7%. Traffic dropped from 5M to 4.2M as I've detailed above" -It doesnt matter what the stats s
35 Qb001 : Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the demand on YYZ-AMS or YUL-AMS is, in fact, a demand for AMS-YYZ or AMS-YUL. What I mean by that is that the bu
36 Captaingomes : Benoit, while we may get many Dutch tourists, KLM is renowned for their connections via AMS, so I would imagine the bulk of passengers fly the route a
37 FLYYUL : Martinair would be the one withthe Dutch tourists. Mark
38 Post contains images Yyz717 : It doesnt matter what the stats say on airliner world. Ya right. A 17% decrease in YUL traffic is just too embarassing to consider huh? Then why is We
39 AC320 : Ya right. A 17% decrease in YUL traffic is just too embarassing to consider huh? No, because your 17% figure simply doesn't exist. I just went to the
40 Yyz717 : Passenger traffic for YUL for 2001 vs 2002. 2001 2002 Jan 821k 654k Feb 815k 670k Mar 900k 735k Apr 818k 671k May 816k 720k Jun 876k 773k Total 5045k
41 AC320 : But then YUL gained in the coming quarters and yielded a net drop of only 7.7%, so I fail to see the problem. Traffic so far is up 5.6% this year. Poo
42 Noise : There was a 17% drop in the Q1 of 2002 at all major airports across North America, even YYZ, so what's your point? Your talking about last years stats
43 Post contains images Mark_D. : AC320--Poor prospects, would you please stop pulling stuff out of thin air. You don't like YUL, fine. Can we have a single thread about this city or a
44 FLYYUL : For the East Coast, YUL getting 7 flights a day is just behind YYZ and behind the hub YHM. You, the same person that said WestJet would never serve Mo
45 Noise : It's best to ignore him.
46 Qb001 : Nice to see I'm not the only one this guy is annoying...
47 Post contains images Captaingomes : Qb001, I called you Benoit, I had you confused with somebody else! Sorry about that.
48 Skywatcher : Why would anybody put a negative spin on an impartial, seemingly good news headline ? A +17% capacity increase (from a Canwest newspaper source) is a
49 Yyz717 : Last night on CBC supper-hour news Shari Okeke (the business reporter) was talking about YUL now being an attractive locale --along with other Canadia
50 FLYYUL : "How will this help YUL? YUL can't even support nonstops to SFO (the only 2M+ city in North America that can't), nor ATL. " -IT certainly can. AC672/6
51 Mark_D. : Yyz717--All they did was show a few clips from an ADM meeting quoting the ADM CEO and the YWG/WAA CEO......talking about how "attractive" YUL and YWG
52 VonRichtofen : "Calgary created 3000 net jobs last year, Montreal did 78000 jobs" What does that prove? That tax payers footed the bill for more make work projects?
53 Yyz717 : The ATL's are weird, because at the same time DL added 3 flights. You dont all of a sudden go from 2 flight to 8 daily.. something had to give, AC los
54 FLYYUL : "What does that prove? That tax payers footed the bill for more make work projects? Not only that but 3/4 of those jobs are only part time. The unempl
55 Post contains links Mark_D. : VonRichtofen--What does that prove? That tax payers footed the bill for more make work projects? What's the (negative attitude) basis, for saying any
56 Post contains images Yyz717 : Time has told and will tell that Toronto is the epidemy of over-served. Everything in that plain city is unfortunately over-served. Ya whatever. 26M p
57 Mark_D. : Yyz717--It's from a low base. YUL's PCI and unem rate continnue to trail Canada's average. Talk to me when Quebec stops receiving equalization payment
58 Qb001 : Don "Yyz717" Cherry just doesn't get it. The success of an airport is very loosely linked to the economic size or dynamism of the city where it's loca
59 Yyz717 : They are wrong, as Montreal is exceptionally well located to serve as a major hub between North America and Europe. YUL is poorly placed to be a hub.
60 Mark_D. : Yyz717-- YUL is poorly placed to be a hub. YUL is on the edge of North America, from a population standpoint. All the population is south or west of Y
61 LH423 : BOS is actually more on the "edge" of North America. From a population standpoint. True, but we also have 15 million people living within an hour's fl
62 Post contains links and images VonRichtofen : "When did Alberta create 39000 jobs?" In 2002. Source? http://www.canadianeconomy.gc.ca Direct link to the report: http://strategis.ic.gc.ca/pics/ra/r
63 Yyz717 : Hey Kris, I actually never questioned your stats! Must have been someone else. YYC'ers never self-gloss.......so you tend to be believable! I was sayi
64 FLYYUL : How does YYC grow in leaps and bounds when in the last 5 years traffic has been stagnant at best.. traffic in YYC has not surpassed 8.3 million.. Mark
65 FLYYUL : "Ya whatever. 26M passengers don't lie. YUL has been stuck at 9M passengers for almost 30 years. YUL ain't going anywhere, except down in rank among C
66 Yyz717 : Actually I just read that Montreal metro is still no.2 corporate city in Canada when figuring the largest public, private, and crown corporations toge
67 FLYYUL : "YYZ has the largest corporate HQ base. YYC is second. YUL a distant third. YVR fourth." -Your wrong.. just like your 20% decrease in traffic. You are
68 Aviationman : Tell me something Neil....How is it when you go to bed at night....Fantasy on Calgary and .............. a load of oil?
69 Post contains images FLYYUL : Marcel.. your gonna get your post deleted bud, only a matter of time. My girlfriend is on AC155 to YYC right now for a wedding, I hope she doesnt die
70 Aviationman : No, she won't. All she has to do is to remember of Montreal and the fun she will have when she returns. We did not hear from Neil for a while. He must
71 Qb001 : Not only Don Cherry doesn't know a thing about stats and how to read them, he doesn't know a thing about geography either. To prove the point, here's
72 FLYYUL : WEll Montreal is lucky, most cities in the United States with much heavier traffic dont even come close to Montreal in terms of international service.
73 Post contains images Nicolasrolland : It seem that this subject always come by every 3-4 months each time I see a lovely news about YUL they have theses posts coming up all I can say is th
74 Jean Leloup : If y'all can't discuss airlines without reorting time and time again to the same old insults, bot towards each other's cities and towards each other,
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