Airmale From Botswana, joined Sep 2004, 384 posts, RR: 1 Posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2911 times:
Whats the status of Swiss Skies? are they really Swiss? from their website it appears they're a pseudo-European company catering to American interests under the safe, neutral "SWISS" banner, perhaps thats the only way the Americans could fly into Kabul safely as all of the major European airlines have not shown interest in flying there and the airlines that do are not considered safe, any US carrier would most probably risk being blown out of the sky if they flew there, least they could have done was gotten a name not sounding like a subsidiary of the Swiss flag carrier. Interesting though, start a new airline to cater to the Americans, why could the Americans not just 'coerce' Switzerland to grant Swiss Airlines a license to fly there, Im sure their A330 is more suited than the MD-11 Swiss Skies will be plying on the route, service begins July 14th from Washington via Geneva for those who dont know.
JAL777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2738 times:
Although 76% owned by US citizens, Swiss Skies is based in Geneva because its offers the ideal geographic location for our operation. Many of our management and consultants are Swiss, and in fact, former employees of Swissair. Our goal is to couple Swiss and U.S. aviation best practices into Swiss Skies. Swiss Skies, therefore, refers to the collection of multinational products and services associated with air travel to Afghanistan, not necessarily the airline.
Unique From Switzerland, joined Mar 2003, 1703 posts, RR: 35
Reply 3, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2725 times:
Swiss Skies is not subsidized by any government or international organization and must therefore ensure a favorable return to its investors in order to sustain its operations and to continue to maintain its high reliability standards.
Very ambitious and therefore not to survive these turbulent times of aviation... Just my two cents!
Cedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8243 posts, RR: 54
Reply 10, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2634 times:
Airmale, exactly. It's a US gov't transport. Of course it's not being "subsidised" by any gov't, World Airways are charging the gov't whatever it costs them to operate the service and the gov't are paying. No subsidies.
So World Airways are 76% owned by US citizens? Good one.
fly Saha Air 707s daily from Tehran's downtown Mehrabad to Mashhad, Kish Island and Ahwaz
Boieng747-400 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2582 times:
Unique is simply jealous because he wishes they flew from ZRH
Back to the topic I am more than confident there is demand from Europe to Kabul. I personally have members in my family who have to go there on a professional basis, it takes them a mere 30 hours from Europe, having to transfer 4 times.
There is no city in Europe which is more centrally located as Geneva. Landing rights are easy to get, costs are also quite low. The fact that the flight leaves GVA for Kabul at 2200 is also an advantage for business men who can leave after work. I also believe the red cross will largely take profit of this route to transport goods to Afghanistan.
As for the GVA-Washington route the demand also exists, due to the numerous international organizations in GVA. Washington is in the top 5 most demanded routes from GVA from airport surveys. I think the success of that part will depend of how the airline markets the route, with enough publicities I think it can work. However the local press has failed to mention the airline yet, and the airport has not issued any official statements yet.
Another route subject to government approval and granting should be launched: Baghdad. North American has also applied for US-Baghdad (also via GVA), research previous posts for more information.
The Airline will launch as it has strong ties with the US gov. What would be more interesting to know is whether or not ex-swissair pilots will fly the MD-11s, this could be a possibility, however I believe the airline will be flying under an American AOC.
WO200 will arrive GVA at 18.10UTC (20.10 local time) on Mondays and Thursdays from Washington and leave GVA at 20.15UTC (22.15 local time) bound for Kabul with a stop in Ankara. The eastbound service starts on 14th July and ends on 23rd October.
WO201 will arrive GVA at 14.45UTC (16.45 local time) on Tuesdays and Fridays from Kabul (nonstop) and leave GVA at 16.45UTC (18.45 local time) bound for Washington. The westbound service starts on 15th July and ends on 24th October.
Airways From Switzerland, joined Mar 2001, 880 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (11 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2268 times:
Tim: I don't think they will need any Swiss pilots. They will probably lease the aircraft from World on ACMI terms. World will provide the pilots. Furthermore, I think they will use World's AOC to operate the flights.