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Virgin Without An Alliance...  
User currently offlineDeltaRules From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3727 posts, RR: 9
Posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2580 times:

Why isn't Virgin Atlantic in a major alliance (SkyTeam, Star, Oneworld, etc.)? They have ties with SQ & CO- could they potentially follow CO into SkyTeam if they join?

DeltaRules


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User currently offlineFutureFO From Ireland, joined Oct 2001, 3132 posts, RR: 21
Reply 1, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2522 times:

I would like to see them go to Star with SQ.


I Don't know where I am anymore
User currently offlineBoeing4ever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2495 times:

Virgin without an alliance...that's what makes them a VIRGIN  Smokin cool .

Branson wants to keep his "V-Card". So don't look for his airline to slut it up with an alliance!  Big thumbs up

B4e-Forever New Frontiers


User currently offlineHartsfieldboy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 552 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2439 times:

Virgin is more of a specialty airline that doesn't want to have masses of people access it's relatively small capacity. I don't think that it needs it promote itself as having numerous connections with thousands of flights like all alliances do. It's mostly O&D traffic that's flies it.

User currently offlineCch362 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 147 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2359 times:

Virgin DOES need an alliance. Granted it is a specialty airline, but the industry is constantly changing in ways that VS ultimately would have no choice but to partner up. Any successful carrier (like VS) will inevitably face competitors that try and try again to steal away their customers. Otherwise, VS wouldn't have sold 49 percent of itself to SQ, nor teamed up with BMI at LHR.

I would like to see VS in Star. Having partners like SQ and BM already makes it a logical next step. Besides, it would make the competitive scene at LHR closer to parity between oneworld and Star.


User currently offlineScutfarcus From United States of America, joined May 2000, 391 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2257 times:



I don't understand why Virgin (the empire) can't at the very least coordinate it's own airlines' frequent flyer programs. Virgin Blue, Express, and atlantic have nothing to do with each other, and seems like they're throwing away potential customer loyalty.

Branson ought to have a "virgin" sceme that ties together all the various elements of his empire, aviation and otherwise.

More thoughts here....

http://www.646industries.com/mt/beyond_s/archives/000073.html


User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 49
Reply 6, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2248 times:

Well until they actually need to join an alliance I can see VS standing alone. I am sure it is a good amount of money to belong tho the benefits I am sure a weigh the dollars it costs you the airline. Although if you think about it, does he really need the feed an alliance will bring, his markets all have excellent O and D as it is.


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User currently offlineHlywdCatft From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5321 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2186 times:

Doesn't Virgin and Continental code share?

User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 49
Reply 8, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2182 times:

They do have a limited code share.


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User currently offlinePlane Holland From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 453 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2172 times:

Virgin Atlantic should have connecting flights with Virgin Express. Also open up a connection between SYD and LHR and again connecting with Virgin Blue.

should bring in a few euro's extra..


User currently offlineUN_B732 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 4289 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2151 times:

Virgin Atlantic and Virgin Express FF programs should connect..Virgin Blue is in Australia..seperate matter.
If VS/CO codeshare. VS/V? can code share.
-UN



What now?
User currently offlineLeezyjet From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 4041 posts, RR: 53
Reply 11, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2120 times:

Scutface,

The Virgin Group has looked at having a FF/loyalty scheme for all it's businesses before, but have decided against it, as the way they see it is that if one business is geting negative press, then this will impact the rest of the other businesses if people see the businesses are combined through something such as a FF scheme. As it stands now because each is run seperatly, people do not associate each 'Virgin' business with each other, yes they know Branson owns them all, but don't associate them together if you get what I'm trying to say.


Plane Holland,

Virgin Express could not feed onto Virgin Atlantic, as they do not operate flights into LHR (yes VS could give up slots, but why give up slots that are getting full 747's and A340's airborne to replace it with a 737 to feed those flights ??), and also they are two totally differant products, with one being Full service and the other being Low cost, so the two products would not complement each other sufficiently to have them tied in together.

I know from an outsiders point of view it would make sense (used to think that myself), but if someone flies into LHR on VS in Upper Class and transferred onto Virgin Express, the whole Upper Class experience would be de-valued as a result of connecting onto a low cost carrier. The type of people that fly Upper Class don't want to be slumming it on a low cost. They could introduce another class on Virgin Express, but then that defeats the whole aim of the low cost carrier if you get what I mean.

Virgin Atlantic are doing just fine on their own, and as Luv2Fly and Kaddyuk stated, VS will not join an alliance until they need to as we are doing ok with just our O&D pax, so why bother joining an alliance. The codeshares we have in place at the moment are good enough and with the Bmi talks going on, they could be improved even more.

 Smile



"She Rolls, 45 knots, 90, 135, nose comes up to 20 degrees, she's airborne - She flies, Concorde Flies"
User currently offlineStar_member From Australia, joined Dec 2000, 185 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2006 times:

fingers crossed for a tie up between virgin and bmi, would be a perfect alliance against ba in lhr. if this happens, virgin will be in star soon after.

User currently offlineDanielbk From Israel, joined Feb 2003, 197 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2008 times:

Virgin (the airline, that is..) codeshareds with EL AL (ly)..
as much as i know you can also redeem FF miles with eachother.



cockpit? it's that little room in the front of the plane where the pilots seat.. but that's not important now
User currently offlineDeltaRules From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3727 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1951 times:

I didn't even know they were partners with BMI... that could be a good thing for Star if they joined, and would really give BA a run for their money at LHR. Wasn't VS supposed to start a deal with DL recently? That could justify SkyTeam if it was considered.

DeltaRules



Let's Kick the Tires & Light the Fires!!
User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 49
Reply 15, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1917 times:

The BMI is a possible buy out is what I have read. That is why BA is not a happy camper.


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