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Small Plane Hits Apartment Building In LA  
User currently offlineFlyf15 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2903 times:

http://abcnews.go.com/wire/US/ap20030606_1836.html

Anybody know the type?

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User currently offlineB757300 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 4114 posts, RR: 23
Reply 1, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2833 times:

I've read it was a Bonanza BE-35 if the media got it right. I'm not real good with my small aircraft types.

Anyway, here are some pictures. Take note of the last one.







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User currently offlineAM From Mexico, joined Oct 1999, 589 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2799 times:
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I've been watching ABC 7, CBS 2 and NBC 4, and they all say it was a Bonanza BE-35, which supposedly departed VFR from Santa Monica Airport at 3:45pm PDT. According to an FAA spokesman, Santa Monica Tower instructed the Bonanza to contact SOCAL Approach at 3:52pm. No such contact occured. The crash took place at 3:55pm. According to what I've seen so far, 1 person is reported dead, presumably the pilot. At least 10 people from the apartment building are injured, 5 of them seriously.


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User currently offlineCmsgop From United States of America, joined May 2000, 137 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2779 times:

Anybody got an N-# on this?

User currently offlineHlywdCatft From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5321 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2778 times:

Is this terrorist related you think, or the plane just conk out? But why would it do a nose dive like that last picture?

I wonder who got that live picture of it nose diving.

Now it makes me feel a little uncomfortable having my apartment under the approach of MCO.


User currently offlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 7929 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2679 times:

The reason why the apartment building burned so fiercely was the fact the plane's fuel tanks were mostly full of avgas when the plane nosedived into the building.

User currently offlineBuckfifty From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 1316 posts, RR: 20
Reply 6, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2644 times:

The guy could have had a control surface failure (i.e. elevator separation, or uncontrolled asymmetric flap deployment) or any other of a million causes for it to nosedive like this.

To think that everything is connected to terrorism is to give in to terrorism.


User currently offlineLuisca From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2643 times:

From the little information so far it seems intencionall.

User currently offlineHlywdCatft From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5321 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2588 times:

If it was terrorism, why didn't he pick a more prominant target than some random little apartment building?

User currently offlineLuisca From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2574 times:

maybe it wasnt systematic organized terrorism, just another Tampa incident (the kid crashing a bank) some unstable guy crashing his beechcraft full of fuel into some apartemnt he found. just that unfurutnatly this guy was smart and had a full tank of avfuel on his plane, making a fireball when he hit, I hope their are no other victims but the pilot.

User currently offlineJhooper From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 6199 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2572 times:

999/1000 chances this is simply an accident, albeit in an urban area. Hlywdcatft is correct; a terrorist wouldn't select a random apartment building. There are plenty of "more desirable" targets in California. Even if it was suicide or other criminal activity (which is purely speculative), that doesn't mean it's necessarily tied to organized terrorism.


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User currently offlineIMissPiedmont From United States of America, joined May 2001, 6260 posts, RR: 34
Reply 11, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2572 times:

I think that Luisca was being facetious.

Planes crash and the fact that one hit a building in LA should be no great shock.

From the small bit I know, it was a failure of either a wing or horizontal. The aircraft was near vertical on impact and, unless the pilot was already dead, there is no other explanation except suicide, but suicides do not tend to take others with them.

My bet will be on a separation of the stabilizer or death of the pilot in flight.



Is grammar no longer taught is schools? Saying "me and her" or some such implies illiteracy.
User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5639 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2565 times:

I actually don't think Luisca was being facetious- I think he's potentially correct. People go postal. Heck, maybe it was this person's apartment complex, and he was angry with the landlord. People do crazy things.

I don't think it's terror related. Just either a nut, or a poor, unfortunate victim of a mechanical failure.

Either way, my heart goes out to his family, as well as the folks who lost their homes and all they owned. Horrible experiences for lots of people, and ones that they won't soon recover from.

R


User currently offlineIMissPiedmont From United States of America, joined May 2001, 6260 posts, RR: 34
Reply 13, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2550 times:

"From the little information so far it seems intencionall. (sic)"

That line is what lead me to make my own statement. The following takes it to something else.

"maybe it wasnt (sic) systematic organized terrorism, just another Tampa incident (the kid crashing a bank) (sic) some unstable guy crashing his beechcraft full of fuel into some apartemnt (sic) he found. just (sic) that unfurutnatly (sic) this guy was smart and had a full tank of avfuel on his plane, making a fireball when he hit."

Plausible I guess, but not very likely.



Is grammar no longer taught is schools? Saying "me and her" or some such implies illiteracy.
User currently offlineJmacias34 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 379 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2487 times:

Somewhere in Chicago Mayor Dayley is saying "That could have been Chicago".

Instead of suicide there is the possibility of a heart attack or other sudden incapacitating health factor.


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29705 posts, RR: 59
Reply 15, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2451 times:

Boy twice in one day.

Up here in ANC we had a Beaver go into somebody's yard on final to Lake Hood.

Everybody came out of that one Ok though

http://www.msnbc.com/local/ktuu/m301826.asp?0ct=-302



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User currently offlineB747skipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2401 times:

Hey, America, don't you think it is paranoia, that idea that all airplane crashes are due to terrorism... Yes, there is potential for terrorism... but again, don't put that tag on every aircraft accident...
- A Cessna crashes at KABC, terrorism... or is it a new pilot who lost control...?
- A Piper crashes at KBCD, terrorism... or pilot incapacitation...?
- A Beechcraft crashes at KCDE, terrorism... or pilot lack of IMC qualification...?
I think you watch CNN too much, or believe each line of the NY Times...
xxx
Sadly - The Arrow Air DC8 crash in Gander (1984) with soldiers on board... why was a potential terrorist action not mentioned (or covered up)...
And about TWA 800 off New York... (off course, in these days, there was... NO DANGER of terrorism in USA... right... only in Europe and the Middle East).
Wake up to reality America...
xxx
Happy contrails  Smile
(s) Skipper


User currently offlineLuisca From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2394 times:

Why does everyone flame me, i just posted my honest oppinion and you think its sick! i bet that 3/4 of the people that have heard the news have gone to the same conclussion. Planes just DONT go near vertical like that, it is almost 99% certain that that position is intentional, a pilots instinct in a sutiation is always
A. Try to save yourself and the plane
B. Try to avoid causing any ground casualties

He didnt seem to do neither. Higly supcius.


User currently offlineLuisca From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2391 times:

Also B747Skipper
I am not from the US, and i dont believe everything that cnn says, i think CNN is one of the most irresponsable, non objective, one sided news programs, heck they were even talking about terrorism in the coulombia incident. I ussually Whatch CNN in spanish and BBC or DW or spanish Television, much better international news sources


User currently offlineB747skipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2382 times:

Dear Luisca -
I appreciate your comments... but airplanes fall vertically when they enter a spin, which is a common result of flight controls mishandling by pilots near stall speed... The lack of altitude often prevents the inexperienced pilots to recover, IF they know how to recover...
xxx
A friend of mine is a dentist, has a beautiful V tail Bonanza, turbocharged, and because he has an instrument rating and passed the 1,000 hours flight time, he considers himself a close cousin of Orville and Wilbur...
xxx
Personally, I would not even check him out in my little L-21 Super Cub, my young 16-18 years old cadets are better pilots than he is... When he invites me to fly with him in his aircraft, after my first experience with him, I find excuses not to have the time to go... or I tell him to install dual controls... If he crashes on the Casa Rosada here in Buenos Aires, is because he was not flying the aircraft, but playing with his GPS or listening to his stereo in flight. The only terrorism he practices is, with his patients in the dentist chair.
xxx
If I read newspapers or watch CNN for aviation accidents, for me it is like reading cartoons or watching funny shows... what a mess in misinformation to the general public... I watch BBC too or TV5, compared to CNN or CNN en español, it is - I fully agree with you - quite different...
xxx
Unfortunately, our USA friends better quit that style of paranoia, and adopt valid anti-terrorism measures...
Thank you for expressing your opinion, Luisca  Big grin
(s) Skipper


User currently offlineHlywdCatft From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5321 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2367 times:

Maybe his exwife lives at the apartment.

User currently offlinePecoua From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 299 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2356 times:

Hi Everyone...

I know that the media is saying it is a Bonanza, which I am sure they know at this point...but when I first saw the last picture of it nosediving, am I the only one who thinks it looks like a Brazilia? I immediately thought of UA Express or Comair out of LAX...sorry to hear it about the accident, but glad it wasn't commercial.


User currently offlineHlywdCatft From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5321 posts, RR: 7
Reply 22, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2314 times:

Comair flies out of LAX? Since when? Wouldnt it be Skywest?

User currently offlineHlywdCatft From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5321 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2309 times:

It looks to big to be a Bonanza and i dont see the V-tail. Does take up a lot of space too burning at the apartment.

If I were to guess what kind of Beechcraft it was, I would have said at least a Queen Air.


User currently offlineFSPilot747 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 3599 posts, RR: 13
Reply 24, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2294 times:

Luisca: Are you a pilot?

"Planes just DONT go near vertical like"

When you have a plane entering a spin, the result very often can be a near-vertical dive. A witness (who apparently flies small planes) said he saw the plane in a spin before it hit.

It's pretty naive to think this is related to terrorism. Planes DO fall out of the sky, where else are they going to fall from? Accidents happen. Doubtful that Osama had a role in this one.

FSP


25 Pecoua : HlywdCatft, Sorry...you are right...Skywest.
26 Geotrash : Another thing that can make a plane go into a severe dive is spatial disorientation while flying in clouds or hazy conditions. When the pilot loses ex
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