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AirTran 717 To LAX  
User currently offlineFlyer732 From Namibia, joined Nov 1999, 1368 posts, RR: 21
Posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4712 times:

Well due to a slight problem with flight 2 from LAX to ATL. A 717 had to replace the A320 on flight 3 ATL-LAX. The routing is ATL-DFW-LAX-DFW-ATL.
The flight is over Arizona right now and should be on the ground in LA in about 35 minutes.
So much fun, so little time.

~Ryan

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User currently offlineBruce From United States of America, joined May 1999, 5067 posts, RR: 15
Reply 1, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4657 times:

A 717 can't do ATL-LAX non-stop? What is the range on the 717. that trip is less than 2000mi isn't it?


bruce



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User currently offlineFlyer732 From Namibia, joined Nov 1999, 1368 posts, RR: 21
Reply 2, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4654 times:

The delivery flights do LGB-MCO all the time. But not with 117 pax and 150 bags, and a full 5 member crew.
Plus crew legality plays into it...since we have to fuel stop it, they waste off more time on the ground doing that.


User currently offlineFlyboy7974 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 1540 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4586 times:

it actually was cxld earlier in the day in la, it operated the morning flight out to l.a., but got stuck there.. the 717 operated via dfw on the westbound leg, but it looks as if it is going nonstop eastbound tonight, suppose to be at 1145pm, but delayed to 1220 am with an on-time arrival. that is what the airtran page says now 220ampst.

User currently offlineScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 4528 times:

Whatever happening with Airbus A320 is not going to LAX either? So can you anyone please tell us about exactly what is going on for Ryan International? It actually was flew to LAX with one-stop in DFW get refuel on their aircraft.

User currently offlineIndustrialPate From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4508 times:

There's three flights scheduled today between ATL/LAX...

User currently offlineHlywdCatft From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5321 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4496 times:

They do the delivery flights to MCO instead of ATL?

They must not have had any deliveries this month, because I didn't notice any since I been here.


User currently offlineJjbiv From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1226 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4477 times:

How many spares does FL have in the system? I'm surprised they could give up an aircraft to do a LAX turn with all the growth they've had recently.

joe


User currently offlineGr8slvrflt From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 1609 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4447 times:

They must not have had any deliveries this month, because I didn't notice any since I been here.

There was only one new 717 delivery this year. The other twenty-two are ex-TW/AA. They are refurbished and repainted in Miami.


User currently offlineBR715-A1-30 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4438 times:

I believe Ship 740 was the only one delivered new this year.

Gr8slvrflt, The Ex-TW/AA planes aren't refurbished, but they are repainted and the seating is adjusted to AirTran's configurations. All of the ex-TW planes still have TW seats in them. The only refurbishments are to the Biz Class seats, in which they put a cloth fabric over them instead of the existing leather.


User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4423 times:

The main reason why 717 delivery flights are LGB-MCO is that the MX base is currently @ MCO (at least until the TOC is built here @ ATL). To my knowledge, the only delivery flight of a 717 that went to ATL was with a/c #703, which was the first one delivered. That flight had AirTran employees onboard, and was routed LGB-DFW-ATL. What's interesting about delivery flights is that Frontier's Airbus delivery flights land @ PHX instead of DEN for tax reasons. The City of Denver imposes a steep consumer-use tax, so Frontier's new a/c enter revenue service out of PHX, so when the plane reaches DEN, it is no longer a "new" airplane.

User currently offlineGr8slvrflt From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 1609 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4417 times:

Gr8slvrflt, The Ex-TW/AA planes aren't refurbished, but they are repainted and the seating is adjusted to AirTran's configurations. All of the ex-TW planes still have TW seats in them. The only refurbishments are to the Biz Class seats, in which they put a cloth fabric over them instead of the existing leather.

The galleys are modified. The carpet is replaced. The emergency equipment is replaced. The closets are removed. The new reinforced cockpit doors are fitted. The engines and mechanical systems are given a thorough check. The cockpit is tweaked a little.


User currently offlineM717 From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 608 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4392 times:

"A 717 can't do ATL-LAX non-stop? What is the range on the 717. that trip is less than 2000mi isn't it?"

This is the entire reason that AirTran is contracting with Ryan for the A320 wet lease for LAX and LAS. The 717 simply does not have the range. ATL-DEN is about the limit, and those flights are being operated with aircraft that have been modified to have the C1 engines.

The 717 yesterday was to cover a mechanical on Ryan's A320. What I heard on the line (unsubstantiated), was that excessive braking on landing resulted in a brake fire, and the aircraft was out of service. So, the 717 was routed through DFW to LAX to cover the return.


User currently offlineUN_B732 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 4289 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4381 times:


Anyone tried the service? how is it?
-UN



What now?
User currently offlineFlyer732 From Namibia, joined Nov 1999, 1368 posts, RR: 21
Reply 14, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4370 times:

Well it looks like we still don't have the A320 back, Flight 1 to LAX is currently being flown with a 717 as well. Which is not good, that flight was booked to 162...great.

User currently offlineL1011 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1685 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4343 times:
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I am booked on this service in two weeks. As much as I like the 717s, I really want to see what Ryan's A320 service is like. I hope they get it back before I fly.

Bob Bradley
Richmond, VA



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User currently offlineMia777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2002, 1165 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4337 times:

In early April, I saw a few planes sitting in the Airborn hangar at MIA. There were a few FL jets in there, were those the 717s being repainted? I though they were DC-9s getting ready for retirement....


MIA777
User currently offlineFlyer732 From Namibia, joined Nov 1999, 1368 posts, RR: 21
Reply 17, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4323 times:

Those aircraft were 717s at Airborn, they're all now in service with AirTran.

User currently offlineCritter From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 267 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4289 times:

The facility that does the Mod. work for Airtran along with all of their heavy maintenance is http://www.Avborne.com . Airborne is a cargo company!

critter


User currently offlineTu154m From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 683 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4177 times:

That's what happens when you lease a computer(A320) from a shady outfit!!!!!(Just kidding........trying to stir Ryan's blood up a little!!!!)
S
JUST KIDDING



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User currently offlineL1011 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1685 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4159 times:
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If AirTran has contracted with Ryan to fly this route, shouldn't Ryan be responsible for providing a replacement aircraft, instead of AirTran?

Bob Bradley
Richmond, VA



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User currently offlineM717 From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 608 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4145 times:

Should is one thing, but Ryan actually has no aircraft. They just operate aircraft for others. The 2 A320s they got from MEA to operate for AirTran on the LAX and LAS routes are the only 2 passenger aircraft with N registry on their domestic certificate. I'm just hoping this incident, only 3 days into the operation, doesn't do too much damage to AirTran trying to enter the West Coast markets. This is a prime example of why it is always best to maintain operational control, but the company felt the need to enter these markets right away, instead of waiting until next year when we can fly these routes with our own aircraft.

User currently offlineKohflot From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4095 times:

Where's the second 320? Is there only one painted at this point?

User currently offlineGr8slvrflt From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 1609 posts, RR: 10
Reply 23, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4079 times:

The second, in full AirTran colours, is parked at the North Cargo ramp in Atlanta.

User currently offlineBizJet From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 275 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3919 times:

What is the configuration on the AirTran A320's operated by Ryan Intl.? How comfortable and the main cabin and business class seats? What's the inflight service like? Is there any entertainment?



25 Gr8slvrflt : What is the configuration on the AirTran A320's operated by Ryan Intl.? 12/144 How comfortable are the main cabin and business class seats? ok What's
26 Post contains images N751PR : I just saw the 717 on approach to LAX while I was on Hollywood Park (had to go with my mom so she could see the broadcast of the Belmont Downs) and th
27 ONT 737 : So does FL keep a spare 717 on hand at ATL? We (B6) always have 2 on hand. One at JFK and one at LGB. Not to bad considering we have 43 planes. (I'm p
28 Post contains images Flyer732 : Well to send the 717 to LAX, we did have a spare...sorry ROC pax, operational necessity
29 Flyinryan99 : I am surprised they are only using 2 aircraft on with these two routes. I would have thought they'd have a third one just in case something like this
30 Flyer732 : Hell, we don't even have two aircraft yet. The second one is still waiting to get its operating certifcate. Should have it on June 9th or so. We will
31 Jjbiv : Who is doing the ground handling in LAX? joe
32 Flashmeister : Seems a little shortsighted to me, at least, to commence service before reliability can be assured. If jetBlue starts other transcons from ATL, AirTra
33 Post contains images M717 : As I mentioned earlier, in a perfect world, I would have preferred that we would have waited until we had our own aircraft and could operate these rou
34 Post contains images Flashmeister : AirTran is not really competing with jetBlue. We'll leave that to Song. I don't think in the overall scheme of things that the company is too concern
35 M717 : I'll leave it to the AirTran leadership to make the decisions and defend their decisions. They seem to be making the right choices, given the state of
36 Luv2fly : M717 That is good to hear. I think most other airline CEO get so wrapped up in what other airlines are doing that they lose focus on what they are ac
37 M717 : Luv2fly, I think if you look at what AirTran has done in the past, with very few exceptions, such as when certain routes are abandoned by other carrie
38 Luv2fly : M717 I can not agree with you more. I have been very happy with my investment and soon this year I do plan to actually fly AirTran and I am sure I wi
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