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Rumour: Air China To Order A380s @ Paris  
User currently offlineTeahan From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 5294 posts, RR: 61
Posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 3957 times:

Article in today’s Sunday Times:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2095-706248,00.html

I presume the main body of the article is just sourced from the Flight International report. However there is one interesting bit:

***quote***
Industry sources said last night that further A380 orders — possibly from Air China, the state-owned Chinese airline — were possible at the Paris show.
***(Unquote)***

Woudln’t be too surprising since Airbus often stated that it expects to have a Chineese carrier operating the A380 by the 2008 Olympic Games.

Jeremiah


[Edited 2003-06-08 14:09:35]


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User currently offlineBa319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8539 posts, RR: 54
Reply 1, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 3875 times:
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I would not be surprised if they did place an order.

Traffic growth to/from China is going to maintain its strong growth,and as stated China is holding the 2008 Olympics.Hell,they could run it on domestic flights in the future!




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User currently offlineN754pr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 3874 times:

Hope its true, would be great news for Air China and Airbus.

User currently offlineBobrayner From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2003, 2227 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 3840 times:

Hell,they could run it on domestic flights in the future!

Really?

1. The A380 is emphatically a long-haul machine. I can't think of any busy Chinese routes longer 2000km (not even PEK-HKG); you'll never fill an A380 to Lhasa or Urumqi.

2. China has a relatively effective rail network connecting all the major cities. The only advantage that airlines can offer is reduced journey time, which implies high frequencies except on the very longest routes. (The extreme example, PEK-HKG: 3-4 hours by air, currently 28 by rail but that will decrease)

Perhaps in future, with variants heavily optimised for short-haul (think of the 747 Domestics in Japan, except more so), but even so... I think smaller planes and higher frequencies will continue to drive Chinese domestic air travel except for a few anomalous cities with poor rail connections.

Industry sources said last night that further A380 orders — possibly from Air China, the state-owned Chinese airline — were possible at the Paris show.

Does sound interesting though.
But who are these industry sources? We'd all love more detail...  Smile


[Edited 2003-06-08 15:37:19]


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User currently offlineLHR340 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2003, 877 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 3773 times:

OoOh they might fly these to LHR yet another operator with the A380 there  Smile

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User currently offlineDC-10 Levo From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 3432 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3716 times:

More than just one source aswell:

http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/200209/03/eng20020903_102552.shtml
http://news.airwise.com/stories/2003/03/1047475721.html

I'd love to see a mock-picture of the A380 in Air China colours, can't find one anywhere on the net.

DC-10


User currently offlineB-HOP From Hong Kong, joined Nov 2000, 633 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3495 times:

I think thy an fill the monster eacily on routes from beijing/Shanghai to HK/Guangzhou/Shenzen/Xiamen, trust me, in Chinese new year, most route are packed. So by 2008, it is not impossible to fill them up. Plus, don't forget the large Chinese expat communities in US, such as Silicon Vallty.


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User currently offlineUnique From Switzerland, joined Mar 2003, 1703 posts, RR: 35
Reply 7, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3485 times:

I've travelled URC-PEK on an Il-86, and it was FULL! That was not even near Chinese New Year, so don't underestimate the loads on domestic routes.

User currently offlineAirbus Lover From Malaysia, joined Apr 2000, 3248 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3466 times:

Yes i second what many people said.

The domestic market itself is a very big market NOW, let alone in 2008 and festive seasons (disregarding the SARS epidemic).


User currently offlineCPH-R From Denmark, joined May 2001, 5998 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3458 times:

Don't forget, as more Chinese people can afford it, I think that China will see a sharp increase in the number of passengers flying around.

User currently offlineN754pr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3343 times:

Like many have said, they can fill these between Shenzhen and Beijing....... they don't even need to think about the international routes!

P.S. Just saw a add on the TV from Airbus for the A380.


User currently offlineBobrayner From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2003, 2227 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3342 times:

Domestically... I'd concede that it would be appropriate to destinations like Haikou in the holiday season.  Wink/being sarcastic

However, the vanilla A388 really does seem more tuned for long-haul than competitors (and there are a few bargains at the moment). I have difficulty seeing the A388 as being the best choice for routes of 1000, 1500, 2000km unless airports are having a slot nightmare and surface transport can't keep up.

(Subsequent stretches would presumably push CASM down a little; they might actually compete better.)

But for many international routes to/from China, the A380 is ideal. There would be plenty in HKG.



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User currently offlineSpotterboy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3303 times:

Would be good money for Airbus - I think if Air China is going to order 380s - they'll order a lot of them (I'm thinking about 50-200  Wink/being sarcastic)

regards, Florian


User currently offlineNa From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10731 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3269 times:

Spotterboy,
with the predicted growth in economy in China your number might not even be so far from reality in 15 years as it seems today.


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