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User currently offlineBigphilnyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 4076 posts, RR: 54
Posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2445 times:

Yesterday I happened to catch the tail end of a departure at LGA. It didn't have the volume of most fighets, and it looked like it had two engines and one tail. It's smaller size eliminated the F-111 Aardvark as a possibility, so I'm going to say it was an F-20 (Tigershark?).

Anyone know why I've been seeing fighers at LGA lately? I saw a F-18 a few weeks ago right after Memorial Day.


Phil Derner Jr.
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User currently offlineLY744 From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 5536 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2341 times:

To put it simply, the F-20 does not exist, not in flyable form anyways. The T-38 would be the one aircraft that is currently in service in the US that matches your description.The only other fighters matching your description would be the likes of the Tornado, Rafale, Typhoon, MiG-19, F-4, F-5 etc. Basically, these are either not in service or in service with forces outside of North America. The one exception may be the F-5, is it still used for agressor simulations or something? I understand the F-4 is also being used for some non combat purposes by a facility somewhere in the US.

LY744.



Pacifism only works if EVERYBODY practices it
User currently offlineSllevin From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 3376 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2326 times:

Not that I suspect it's common at LGA, but NASA also has a fleet of T-38's used as trainer/transports for the astronauts. We used to get them all the time down at VNY from EDW.

Steve


User currently offlineBigphilnyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 4076 posts, RR: 54
Reply 3, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2299 times:

Can anyone find pictures of these planes with a view form the back? Maybe I can figure out what it was.

I didn't know the F-20 never existed. And I'm embarrassed that I didn't think of the F-4, but I don't think it was that.

T-38 maybe? I'm not sure how they look.



Phil Derner Jr.
User currently offlineAA727 From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 124 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2272 times:

I have a question along these lines too. I saw (5?) F/A-18 two seaters parked across the ramp at one of the FBOs here in OMA. Does anyone have an idea of why they would be here? I couldn't make out the base they were stationed at, so any info would be great!  Smile

Sean


User currently offlineLt-AWACS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2254 times:

To help answer some of these questions from above:

-The F-20 existed as one flyable jet, but the DoDs pick of the F-16 ended any hopes of export for the F-20 and it has since been scrapped.

-NASA has several T-38s. A majority are based in Houston at Ellington Field, for astronaut training (they have the Vomit Comet there and WB-57s also).

-The US does fly F-5s as aggresors at Fallon NAS for the Navy and sometimes Nellis AFB for the Air Force weapons school.

-The USAF flies QF-4 pilotless drones out of Tyndall AFB in Panama City, FL, and also a detachment at Holloman in NM, along with the German AF training wing there.

- Planes divert often, and sometimes to Civilian fields. Also many civilian fields have dual use Air Guard facilities. With Operation Noble Eagle still going strong you will see jets over major cities. This is no secret you can view such news on the Air Forces webpage.

What you saw probably was a T-38C, do you know what color the plane was?


Ciao, and Hook 'em Horns,
Lt-AWACS, Yankee Air Pirate


User currently offlineSllevin From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 3376 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2234 times:

Actually, the F-20's were involved in crashes, I thought. Or at least one.

F-20's were also single engine, using an F404 engine (same engine the F-18 uses two of).

To clarify Lt-AWACS, what killed the F-20 was that the US government decied to allow export sales of the F-16 to South Korea, Egypt, and other countries that at one time were not going to be allowed the F-16. Northrop continued to push the F-20 as a much less expensive alternative to the F-16, but in the end, all the potential customers dried up.

Steve


User currently offlineNavion From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1010 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2223 times:

There were 3 F-20's built and 2 of them crashed due to G-LOC, otherwise known as G-Induced Loss of Consciousness. 2 of Northrop's top test pilots were killed in these crashes including (I hope I'm remembering this right) Darrell Cornell, a very well known and accomplished pilot. I hope this link works which is the information on one of the crashes.

http://members.aon.at/mwade/f20crash.htm


User currently offlineNavion From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1010 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2208 times:

The two crashes were:

October 1984 - Korean crash (demonstrating for Korean government). Darrel Cornell killed October 10, 1984.

May 1985 - Goose Bay, Labrador crash. Dave Barnes killed practising for the Pairs Air Show May 14, 1985.

This information was found at: http://members.aon.at/mwade/f20chron.htm


User currently offlineLY744 From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 5536 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2184 times:

Big Phil, the T-38 is like a two seat F-5, to put it simply, they usually carry non-combat liveries although some wear the USAF's dark grey colors.

Here's a pic:




A view from the rear:


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Photo © José Jorge




LY744.



Pacifism only works if EVERYBODY practices it
User currently offlineBigphilnyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 4076 posts, RR: 54
Reply 10, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2077 times:

Then it wasnt a T38. It did look jsut like it, but with TWO engines side by side.


Phil Derner Jr.
User currently offlineJcxp15 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 997 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2051 times:

Bigphilnyc:

I saw a couple of fighters at GA / KLGA), USA - New York">LGA last time I was out there... I believe they were F-15's, but not 100% sure as they were really far away... But the F15 does have 2 engines next to each other... Also, it is unlikely that the Navy would keep it's F18/A's there, as I believe those the USAF has primary charge should anything happen.. They can be scrambled within minutes... I'll be flying out of GA / KLGA), USA - New York">LGA tomorrow, and when I last saw the military fighters, they were over there by the "GA" terminal just past the Delta Shuttle gates... I'll try to see if they are still there tomorrow...


Here are some F-15's, hopefully that I'll be flying one day...


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Photo © Don Boyd



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Photo © Stephen Boreham



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Photo © Dimitris Triadafillou



User currently offlineBigphilnyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 4076 posts, RR: 54
Reply 12, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2004 times:

I knoiw for a fact that the ones I saw on Memorial day were F/A-18s. The angles int he double tail gave it away. The one I saw the other day has a single tail, not a double like an F-15.

But I will be keeping a close eye for those F-15s that are there. I'd LOVE to get them on film.



Phil Derner Jr.
User currently offlineJcxp15 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 997 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1941 times:

Bigphilnyc:

Could the F/A-18's been here for Fleet Week? I really don't think they keep them at LGA for an extended period of time, because the planes I saw at LGA definately did not look like F/A-18's... I'm not certain that there are F15's there, but that was the best guess I could make out... They definately were not F-16's, and didn't look to be F/A-18's, so I went with the 15's.. I'll let you know if I see them tomorrow..
If you go down to the dock, or probably even better to the rock, you should be able to see them parked all the way over past RWY4 left of RWY13... as I think you're on a good enough angle taht the terminal won't block the view..


User currently offlineBigphilnyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 4076 posts, RR: 54
Reply 14, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 1864 times:

No, I can't see them from that angle. I tired already.

The F/A 18s probably WERE there for Fleet Week. I never siad they were stationed there. :-p




Phil Derner Jr.
User currently offlineJcxp15 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 997 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 1797 times:

As of today, there were no fighters at LGA... I flew out this morning, and I could not find any (we went off 13 too and taxied down the taxiway parallel to 4/22 for a bit)...

User currently offlineBigphilnyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 4076 posts, RR: 54
Reply 16, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 1795 times:

We need to find out where these palnes are actually stationed out of and how they get in and out without me hearing them sometimes.


Phil Derner Jr.
User currently offlineLt-AWACS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 1785 times:

The Nearest F-15s to NYC are the MASS Air Guards out of Otis. In my many orbits over NYC and DC I've talked to them, and it is on their website. Langley AFB is your next closest base with F-15Cs that fly those CAPs. When F-16s are used, or F-18s there are bases to numerous to mention.

To Clarify from Above, the USAF only had one YF-20 in its inventory, versus the 3 listed, it was struck from the record after a short time

Ciao, and Hook 'em Horns,
Lt-AWACS, Yankee Air Pirate


User currently offlineAreopagus From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 1369 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 1772 times:

Then it wasnt a T38. It did look jsut like it, but with TWO engines side by side.

The T-38 definitely does have two engines side by side. Look closely at the tailpipes in LY744's posting, particularly in the "View Large" shot of the rear.


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