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When/Why Did Ansett Pull Out Of New Zealand?  
User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9210 posts, RR: 15
Posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 4182 times:

I still remember Ansett Australia flying their B 747-300s into Auckland (They had three B 747-300s at one stage).

Why/when did they pull put of Auckland? Was it flown on a daily basis by B 747-300s?

Also, any news regarding Singapore Airlines reviving Ansett Australia?

Awaiting your reply.



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User currently offlineGardermoen From Australia, joined Jul 1999, 1523 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 4173 times:

AN flew the B747s twice weekly SYD-AKL,sometime inthe mid 1990s.
If I remember correctly,it was flown at a point when Aerolineas Argentines temporarily had to stop the AKL/SYD extension for some reason. So they had agreement with AN to carry the pax on that leg.
ANother reason I remember quoted was that the aircraft had some spare hours inthe week, so to fill it up they did this short sector.


User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9210 posts, RR: 15
Reply 2, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 4160 times:

They did fly between Sydney and Auckland for a while.......

But how long?


User currently offlineETA Unknown From Comoros, joined Jun 2001, 2089 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 4148 times:

Think it lasted 2 years max- interestingly, AN only had about 50 seats per flight to sell- 50 were given to Royal Tongan and about 250 seats to Aerolineas- at the time they didn't have enough crew to operate AKL-SYD-AKL as the service is 2x weekly, that means one crew is out of action in AKL doing nothing for days.

User currently offlineTravel From Australia, joined May 2001, 355 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (11 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 4090 times:

As far as SQ reviving AN, I doubt it but then again who knows.

I Believe there will eventually be a third airline and SQ will have something to do with it especially if the Alliance between QF/NZ goes ahead.

I cant see SQ getting crushed by QF and NZ and sitting there with their arms folded. It makes sense for them to do something if this goes ahead.


User currently offlineRyanair!!! From Australia, joined Mar 2002, 4757 posts, RR: 25
Reply 5, posted (11 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4041 times:

As for SQ reviving Ansett, won't happen anytime in the near future. Not when the airline is bleeding currently. However, SQ has always had a vested interest Down Under. Plus, the absence of a strategic Star Allianace partner in that country, SQ is the next best candidate to revive a Star affiliated airline in Australia. Even though Air NZ is just across the Tasman, after what they did to Ansett, don't think they might want to try that again!


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User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9210 posts, RR: 15
Reply 6, posted (11 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4035 times:

Well Air New Zealand is one of the airlines which is interested in setting up a third airline in Australia.



User currently offlineTG992 From New Zealand, joined Jan 2001, 2910 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (11 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 4022 times:

Let's kill THAT rumour before it grows.

United Airline - why on earth would NZ want to set up a domestic airline in Australia to compete with the airline it is seeking an alliance with?  Yeah sure

It is NOT going to happen.



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User currently offlineRyanair!!! From Australia, joined Mar 2002, 4757 posts, RR: 25
Reply 8, posted (11 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 4002 times:

Well Air New Zealand is one of the airlines which is interested in setting up a third airline in Australia.

Like I said that is VERY unlikely after their previous fiasco with Ansett. ANZ swallowed more that what they could swallow. I don't think Helen Clark would allow it (now that she has a major say in its running). Actually any fool would not allow it to happen again.






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User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5359 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (11 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3982 times:

Ansett indeed flew to AKL while Aerolineas couldn't do the AKL-SYD sector, the service lasted only about 8 months max I think it was.

AR flew the 742 at the time on it's EZE-AKL service, stopped somewhere else in southern Argentina for fuel on the way to AKL, the return was AKL-EZE non-stop!


User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9210 posts, RR: 15
Reply 10, posted (11 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3971 times:

Air New Zealand will one day be privatized again.

So why did Ansett Australia pull out of New Zealand?


User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5359 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (11 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3967 times:

Ansett only operated on behalf of Aerolineas Argentinas while they couldn't fly the AKL-SYD-AKL leg for a short time, this was from about June 1996 to March 1997.

User currently offlineNZ767 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 1620 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (11 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3963 times:

As has been said Desmond, it was an agreement with Aerolineas Argentinas to run the Syd-Akl leg of their service from Eze.
Agreement ended; so did the service.
Maybe F27 can shed some more light on this.  Insane

NBT, you're right, the tech stop was at Rio Galegos (sp?) at the southern tip of the continent.  Smile


User currently offlineAl From Australia, joined Jun 1999, 593 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (11 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3908 times:

Well Air New Zealand is one of the airlines which is interested in setting up a third airline in Australia.

Why on earth would they want to throw away money like that, when they already have (for several years now) full and total rights to fly their own metal domestically within Oz anyway?
If they wanted to operate domestically in Oz they could do so a hell of a lot cheaper and easier as NZ and not as a backer to another new airline.
Your fascination, loyalty and clear love of AN is admirable, but it *is* dead and won't ever come back. The remaining remnants (tail colours on some ex KD Rex aircraft) are about all that's visibly remaining of the once great empire. It's time to move on Desmond. Remember her as the great entity she was, rather than cling to false hope she will fly again.
Cheers/Regards.


User currently offlineTravel From Australia, joined May 2001, 355 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (11 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3893 times:

We all miss Ansett however I just cannot see a revival happening. Passengers and Frequent Flyers who lost money and points with the collapse of Ansett will not support a new Ansett.

Who is going to trust the so called new "Ansett"? not many I am afraid..

As far as a new airline is concerned, that will be a far better option rather than reviving Ansett...Unfortunately she's gone,,she's dead and wont be coming back..

I think the chances of a Ansett comeback is greater than Air New Zealand establishing a third airline in Australia..


User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9210 posts, RR: 15
Reply 15, posted (11 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 3865 times:

Perhaps the new Ansett can honour 'lost points'?  Smile

There might be a chance that a third airline will be set up in Australia. And they might use the name 'Ansett' again since the name is valuable.

Air New Zealand might, however, expand into Australia in my opinion.


User currently offlineTravel From Australia, joined May 2001, 355 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (11 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3853 times:

Air New Zealands ambitions have always been to have a domestic network in Australia, unfortunately the fact is that they are too small and just cant do it..and they were not in a position to do it when they purchased Ansett.

United Airline you have to understand that Ansett is very much missed and really would love to see their aircaft fly again, but like a dead person they dont come back..that's it

A third airline would be viable only if the right investors establish one and NZ is definitely not one of them.

Hopefully SQ will get back on track, or EK etc..but so far to me these are only rumors. Although I hope OZ gets a new player, I am not convinced that OZ will have a third carrier yet.

I am sick of rumors. I will believe it when I hear it properly.


User currently offlineRpwgw From Australia, joined Jun 1999, 209 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (11 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3853 times:

Ansett pulled out when the Aerolineas decided to fly the route itself. Dealing with Aerolineas was a pain.

The AKL departure was often put back until early next morning because of not being able to meet the Sydney curfew if AR arrived late which happened at least five times that I know of.

I used the service about six times because the staff travel deal was $100NZD to any port on the east coast of Asutralia. We'd overnight on Friday in Syndey and out to the airport on Saturday morning to BNE/MEL/OOL.

We never got upgraded as staff on the intl sector but first class all the way in Australia!!!

Ansett is completely dead. There were many things about it that you would never want back in any business - thier good custoimer service was really a distant memory as things unravelled they became quite inconsistent.


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