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Warsaw - "Frédéric Chopin" - History Of The Name?  
User currently offlineShawn Patrick From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 2608 posts, RR: 16
Posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3769 times:

I've noticed that the pictures of WAW now have "Frédéric Chopin" included in the name. I was wondering about how the airport got this name.


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Shawn

[Edited 2003-06-13 19:07:25]

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User currently offlineBobrayner From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2003, 2227 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3760 times:

Chopin was not French; he was Polish.
He moved to France when he was 21.




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User currently offlineBobrayner From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2003, 2227 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3758 times:

See also:
http://www.google.com/search?as_q=chopin+poland
 Wink/being sarcastic



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User currently offlineBoeing4ever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3710 times:

He's wrong about that 762ER being the first Western Airliner in LOT's fleet. LOT had some Lockheed Electras and some Douglas aircraft. There was also some Vickers, and Fokkers, LOTs of little Fokkers flying around  Big grin

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User currently offlineCodeshare From Poland, joined Sep 2002, 1854 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3706 times:

It was supposed to be called Warsaw "Jozef Pilsudski" after the pre II WW Polish leader, but it was dropped. As for Chopin, its a well known name around the world so...

codeshare



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User currently offlineCanyonBlue From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3704 times:

I believe Chopin was a classical composer if I'm not mistaken

User currently offlineHlywdCatft From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5321 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3641 times:

They should have named it Liberace, wasn't he Polish too?  Nuts

User currently offlineIMissPiedmont From United States of America, joined May 2001, 6287 posts, RR: 33
Reply 7, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3613 times:

I'm old. I can't believe that there is an intelligent person on earth who does not know the name.

No joking here, I'm truly shocked and horrified. Are arts taught anywhere in the world today?



Damn, this website is getting worse daily.
User currently offlineBackfire From Germany, joined Oct 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3599 times:

Chopin is buried in a cemetery in Paris - at least, most of him. He said that his heart belonged to Poland, and it was removed from his body to be taken back to his homeland.

And while we're on the subject, Marie Curie wasn't French either - she was Polish too.


User currently offlineAFa340-300E From France, joined May 1999, 2084 posts, RR: 26
Reply 9, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3591 times:

Hello,


That just shows how strong the historical links between Poland and France are, from Napoléon to the immigration waves of the 20th century, from Michel Poniatowski to Roman Polanski.


Best regards,
Alain Mengus
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User currently offlineN751PR From Japan, joined May 2002, 1249 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3552 times:

I believe Chopin was a classical composer if I'm not mistaken

Indeed he was. But its kinda cool having an international airport named after a famous composer though..... Big grin



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User currently offlineBoeing4ever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3516 times:

Roman Polanski is in France simply because he doesn't want to go to jail for statutory rape. And the French won't turn him over. Just a little FYI.

B4e-Forever New Frontiers


User currently offlineB747skipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 3493 times:

Frédéric Chopin -
Polish famous pianist and composer, had French father, Polish mother...
Early to middle 19th century... friend of Franz Liszt (another pianist-composer)
Lover of French writer Georges Sand (a lady despite her name...)
Lived a long time as refugee in Paris, died there, quite young age...
Buried in Paris - Cimetière du Père Lachaise...
Some of his music pieces are named "Polonaises" (Polish pieces)...
Considered one of the figureheads of music from Poland...
Love his piano music (I play piano, but not that good, unfortunately)...
(s) Skipper


User currently offlineAOMlover From France, joined Jul 2001, 1305 posts, RR: 11
Reply 13, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 3487 times:

747Skipper, your spelling of Mrs Sand's first name is wrong.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
Her name is George Sand, she removed the s to make a difference between Georges (for men) and George (for her)  Wink/being sarcastic


User currently offlineBobrayner From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2003, 2227 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 3483 times:

Sorry to drag the thread down into pedantry, but...

Her name is George Sand, she removed the s to make a difference between Georges (for men) and George (for her)

This is, perhaps, misleading. George Sand intentionally assumed a male-sounding name solely in order to get published - and read.

She had good taste in men though - Musset, Liszt, and Chopin!  Smile



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User currently offlineB747skipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 3482 times:

Dear AOMlover -
Apologies, you are correct, I am fully fluent trilingual English-French-Spanish -
I should know better -
No excuses for me, worse, I play Chopin (bad) on piano...
And I read a lot about his life... a superstar in his days...
Story is that she used a "man's name" in fear of rejection as a female writer...
Besides, she was supposedly very "bossy" (acting as man) with Frédéric...
Who knows...
The fame of the Beatles... ok... but in his days, Chopin was equal...
I love classical music... Merci de me le signaler, cher ami...
(s) Skipper



User currently offlineShawn Patrick From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 2608 posts, RR: 16
Reply 16, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 3464 times:

Oh, I very much admire Chopin's music as well - I've heard many of his piano works (I studied one for about a year, and I've read a couple of others). Though I haven't heard many of his concertos and ensemble works, I'm sure they're great as well. I'm currently playing around with his nocturne in C# minor, "lento con gran expressione" (B747skipper, I'm sure you've heard it), and I recorded another nocturne (clarinet + piano) a few weeks ago.

Good stuff!

Shawn


User currently offlineFanofjets From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 1977 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 3434 times:

Add me to the list of Chopin fans, Shawn and Skipper. I have loved his music since I was 10. In fact, my first album (yes, a vinyl LP) was Dinu Lipati playing Chopin's Piano Concerto no. 1.

Speaking of airliners, LOT named one of its Il-62s Frederic Chopin, a classy name for a classy airplane. I'm glad to see the same honor bestowed on the airport.



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User currently offlineBoeing4ever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3417 times:

Whatever happened to that IL-62M? What was the registration?

B4e-Forever New Frontiers


User currently offlineDelta-flyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 2676 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3418 times:

What a great name for the WAW airport. Chopin is one of my favorite composers, too. I love the Grand Waltz and the polonaises.

Pete


User currently offlineLZ-TLT From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 431 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 3401 times:

Boeing4ever:

Actually, there were two LOT Il-62's being named "Fryderik Chopin", one Il-62 and one Il-62M:

Il-62:
SP-LAC, the third Il-62 to be delivered to LOT, c/n 31401, delivered 24.3.1973, sold to the soviet Air Force in 1983 and re-registered CCCP-86556, operated in Aeroflot colors on behalf of the Ministry Of Defense (could not find further info on this particular aircraft and its whereabouts)

Il-62M:
SP-LBF, c/n 2343554, the sixth IL-62M to be delivered to LOT as they were replacing the original 62's with M's. Delivered 21.7.1983, withdrawn from LOT use 01.10.1991, sold to Air Ukraine in february 1992, re-registered UR-86580, withdrawn from use at Kiev airport, derelicted

Hope this was the info you was looking for. LOT seemed to take good care when giving names to their flagships these days - ALL Il-62's and 62M's are named after persons who played a great role in the polish history - artists, scientists, leader persons, and some of the names were inherited from the newer generation aircraft. Some not, partly for obvious reasons. Maybe it is a minor thing, but it does make a difference somehow - as the Il-62M's were replaced with 767's, the 767's were named after polish cities and (to my knowledge) never renamed to inherit the names of the 62's and 62M's

[Edited 2003-06-15 11:59:20]

User currently offlineRayPettit From United Kingdom, joined May 2002, 608 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 3394 times:

Going back on the thread a bit, LOT never had Electras, but they did have Convair Liners and Viscounts in the sixties.

Not Fokkers, but I don't think you really meant that.....

Ray


User currently offlineDelta-flyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 2676 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 3370 times:

Just a bit of nostalgia ..... in 1961, this was the LOT fleet:

3 IL-18
12 IL-14
4 Convair 240
20 LI-2

Pete


User currently offlineHlywdCatft From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5321 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (11 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3340 times:

Who said Napolean was from Poland? I thought he was from Corsica.

Another famous Polish Person- Copernicus, but he has a Greek name


User currently offlineJAT From Canada, joined Feb 2000, 1101 posts, RR: 10
Reply 24, posted (11 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 3293 times:

Nobody said Napoleon was from Poland, but Poles see Napoleon as a hero because he tried freeing them from Russia. He even had an affair and child with a Polish countess, her name was Walewska I believe. She practically slept with him so that he would promise to make Poland a sovereign state again, after defeating the Russians. Also, he's mentioned in the Polish anthem (Dal nam przyklad Bonaparte...) so its very accurate to say that Poland has historically had strong links with France. Sort of off topic here, but Poland has one of the most interesting histories of all of Europe. If you want a condensed version of it read James A. Michner's (sp?) "Poland". It's the history of Poland told through a novel, a really good book.

25 Post contains images EmiratesA345 : FYI, the long haul fleet of Polskie Linie Lotnicze LOT (B767-200ER/300ER), all have names of important Polish cities. Warszawa - the Capitol City of P
26 Post contains links and images Boeing4ever : Going back on the thread a bit, LOT never had Electras, but they did have Convair Liners and Viscounts in the sixties. Not Fokkers, but I don't think
27 Afitch7881 : I have been to the Chopin house outside of Warsaw. It is a very nice property, and today its a museum I believe. I was 15 at the time I went their, so
28 Post contains images Codeshare : Wow, great to know aircraft lovers discuss so much about Poland's heritage. Now can you all come and visit Chopin connected sites in Poland? codeshare
29 Boeing4ever : Now can you all come and visit Chopin connected sites in Poland? I'd love to Codeshare, if only I had the money. But I have been to Poland on 4 previo
30 Shawn Patrick : I'd Love to visit Poland... sometime. It's a bit discouraging, the fact that I'm 16 and I've never left the U.S.!
31 Post contains images Gdabski : It also mentions the delivery flight of an Electra aircraft There was a Lockheed Electra with LOT but not the L-188. The airline's site mentions a Loc
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