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No More Locks On Check In Luggage Thanks Bin Laden  
User currently offlineKCLE From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 686 posts, RR: 0
Posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 5422 times:

Before I leave for a weeklong vacation, I would like to vent.

Since when have locks been illegal to put on luggage? I'm all for searching for bombs but Christ Jesus you have to leave your luggage wide open for greedy bag searchers to go through, take what they please, mess up your belongings, and then half close your bags for them to open and scatter the contents all over the airport.

I though we had freedom in this country, freedom from having people dig through your stuff like every single person in the world is a terrorist. Anymore the US Government is doing Nazi scare tactics to us. No one's going to do anything on a plane in the US anymore. They had their fun, now they'll go onto something else. But a note to bin Laden and friends, thank you for destroying our country and ruining the airline industry by giving bag handlers every God damn right to search through your personal belongings. They have them 1000000000000000000 dollar 30th century technologically advanced bomb chamber things for your bags, why not put the bags in there? Just so the poor bag handlers can peek at what everyone has. Do I feel safer now? Hell no, I'm even more afraid nowadays that some little snide bag handlers going to help himself to what's in my bag and take advantage of the Nazi rule that you can't put locks on your bags. People did that for decades and people still do it around the world. It's called privacy, but not in the paranoid United States of America, nooooo, we get to let all the bag handlers sift through our clothes and papers and everything else to make sure each and every person in this country and every single person is not a terrorist.

Thank you terrorists of the world. I'm sure you're laughing like crazy seeing as though you've made such a mockery of homeland security.

Any thoughts on this? I'll be back next Saturday after a nice relaxing vacation in Las Vegas, Flagstaff, and Scottsdale.

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User currently offlineSegmentKing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 5392 times:

been like this since the beginning of the year....

User currently offlineEWRvirgin From United States of America, joined May 2001, 358 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 5381 times:

Its not illegal to lock your bags. Just be prepared to have your lock broken if the TSA is unable to determine what's inside your bags with the X-Ray.

Its a hassle and a PITA but do you have a better solution?


User currently offlineKKMolokai From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 760 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 5380 times:

Small price to pay ...


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User currently offlineFpdonald From United States of America, joined Aug 2002, 430 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 5372 times:

Unaware of it being illegal to lock checked baggage, but have always assumed that it's not difficult to get into - without breaking a lock/code. With that assumption in place, and freedom of mind, I will continue to check baggage, and keeps my valuables with me. Also, I will continue to leave baggage in hotel rooms, and other "trusted" secure places, while using other means to "personally" secure what needs to be while out of my sight.

Now, I wonder, will the luggage companies cease to put locks on their brands?


User currently offlineHlywdCatft From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5321 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 5340 times:

Yeah and in the meantime TSA will not search muslims out of fear they will have a discrimination lawsuit against them.

Its just the same old story day in day out- make the rest of America suffer because of one group that screws it up and in fact give that group more rights.


User currently offlineJETSTAR From United States of America, joined May 2003, 1648 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 5308 times:
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If your luggage has a built in lock like on hard sided luggage, the TSA will break the lock if they have to open it up and inspect inside and leave it unlocked. If you have a soft side with a removable lock the TSA recommends that you use a nylon tie wrap. I buy these by the bundle in Home Depot and use them all the time, the cost is just pennies each.

If the TSA opens your luggage, all they have to do is cut the tie wrap and then they will place another tie wrap through the holes to lock the luggage.
Some airlines are also supplies these tie wraps at luggage Check in.

To cut the tie wrap, carry a nail clippers, they are allowed to be carried on board with you or put it in an unlocked pocket on your luggage, Also carry additional tie wraps for the return trip. One recommendation, do not pull the tie wrap tight, leave about a 1/2" loop so you can easily cut into the edge of the loop of the tie wrap with the nail clippers.

I have traveled numerous times using these tie wraps and have had no problem
with my luggage being left unlocked by the TSA or cutting the tie wrap off when I have to open my luggage.

Also at some airports you can watch your luggage go through TSA inspection and if it passes you can go and place your regular lock on your soft side or lock your hard side. I have done this at JFK and LAS on AA. But at other airports the luggage inspection is out of sight.


User currently offline2912n From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 2013 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 5308 times:

They don't want you to have the bag locked until it is inspected. Once our bags were inspected we were allowed to put locks on them. (I prefer plastic cable ties to locks. A bit more secure._)

User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29800 posts, RR: 58
Reply 8, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 5301 times:

I am really considering buying one of those food saver vacume baggers and then vacume sealing all my clothes in.

Then going down to Walmart and getting some of that clear plastic kiddie luggage and using that.

If they can see in there is no need to open it right???



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User currently offlineFpdonald From United States of America, joined Aug 2002, 430 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 5294 times:

The original anger appears to be towards dishonest baggage handlers. While no system will be foolproof, one must also ascertain that with the increase in surveillance, internal luggage pilfering will also be easier to pinpoint - and hence subside.

The ultimate answer seems to be in the numerous cabin size approved roll aboard luggage alternatives - which barely leave one's sight. I've seen some as low as US$10 and the more sturdy name brands upwards of $100 - it depends on the investment that one wants to make.

Hey, with birthday's and all the other "gifted" holidays, maybe it's time to add to your wish list.

Baggage insurance is another option.


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29800 posts, RR: 58
Reply 10, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 5278 times:

Baggage insurance is another option.


And how many baggage insurance policies don't limit the insurers liability in the case the baggage wasn't locked and secured?



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User currently offlineCitationJet From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2438 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 5267 times:

I know someone who had jewlery stolen from their unlocked checked luggage on a nonstop flight from Cancun to St. Louis.
The jewlery was in the suitcase at the hotel. The most likely scenario was the jewlery was stolen in the back room of the airport after the luggage was checked in for the flight.



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User currently offlineFpdonald From United States of America, joined Aug 2002, 430 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 5262 times:

Limit yes, but what on earth are you checking that couldn't be fit into a rollerboard - and what those behind the scenes pilferers can pilfer easily? Travel lightly and/or check with the airline regarding extra security/coverage for your priceless valuables.

Common sense, prevails - usually.


User currently offlineFlight152 From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 3399 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 5262 times:

KCLE
I though we had freedom in this country, freedom from having people dig through your stuff like every single person in the world is a terrorist.

Umm..no.


Flying is a privilege, not a right. You have no constutitional right to have no one look inside your luggage. It is the prior right of the passengers to be safe, over your anger no to be able to put a lock on your luggage.

Dude, maybe you should read up on the Constutition before flying!


User currently offlineNotdownnlocked From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 935 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 5247 times:

I had some valuables I have to use for work but they cannot be brought onto the aircraft. I had no choice but to check them in but I guess some asshole TSA bastard decided he needed it more than me as I'm sure it was pocketed and now is located somewhere in a pawnshop around LaGuardia. I'm all for inspections being completed in full view of the owner and then relocked and sent onto the flight.

User currently offlineFlyingbronco05 From United States of America, joined May 2002, 3840 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 5204 times:

Both my mom and dad tell me and my sis to lock our bags.

We have never been told to unlock our bags since 9/11.

Maybe we are just lucky.



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User currently offlineAcidradio From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 1874 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 5199 times:
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Why the hell would you put anything like jewelry in a checked suitcase? That is just plain foolish. Actually my favorite is when people check their medications, which they often need while ON THE PLANE. My dad did this once and sure enough, the flight gets cancelled, bag rerouting is a mess and it was very fortunate that we got his bags back in a decent amount of time. All the while, instead of being concerned about getting back his medications that he needs to LIVE, he was pestering the gate agent about making sure that our frequent flier miles were correctly applied to the new flights.


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User currently offlineVs744 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2001, 677 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 5162 times:

They have them 1000000000000000000 dollar 30th century technologically advanced bomb chamber things for your bags, why not put the bags in there?

They're too heavy and expensive to be viable for regular airline use...

I've been through the same problem with the US authorities checking my baggage. On a recent trip to New York, we arrived back to find a plastic tie in place of the expensive locks we bought 2 days earlier! inside were the remains of the locks taped to a note from the authorities explaining. I can understand that they have to do this but:

1) The airline (Virgin) should have warned us at checkin
2) They could put in replacement locks. I don't care how much it would cost them, if they're going to destroy something of mine without warning me it could happen, I expect them to pay for replacements!

On the other hand, don't lock the bags and end up losing your belongings (which happened to me on a Ryaniair flight last year!)

Its a no win situation, and again, nice one Bin Laden you freaking ahole!.


User currently offlineAWA22 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 5134 times:

Do any of you actually think a lock will keep some dis-honest ramp agent out of your bag? If you have a soft side zipper suitcase simply push a ball point pen through the zipper and the bag is now opened, to close the bag simply zip it up. It will appear that the bag was never opened. Simply put if someone wants to steal something from your bag bad enough the lock wont stop them. The only thing locks are good for is keeping the bag from opening on its own.

In the 5 years I have worked on the ramp, I have yet to ever see a co-worker steal anything. Theft is not as big a problem as the public seems to think.


User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 18
Reply 19, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 5115 times:

It's even easier. Bags disappear all the time, a few more won't be noticed...

At Schiphol last year they dismantled an operation that stole truckloads of luggage over several years, a few bags each day.
Noone ever noticed until a new surveillance system was put in place to stay within current regulations (ostensibly to prevent workers from slipping contraband goods and explosives into the luggage containers or retreiving them).



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User currently offlineUSAJPNflyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 94 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 5105 times:

Like most people here, I am also for increased security. However, I still think that the checked bag inspections should be done before the passenger checks in the bags.

For example, here in Japan, before proceeding to the check-in counter, everyone gets their checked bags screened. If the bags need to be opened, either the OWNER opens it in front of security or security opens in IN FRONT of the OWNER. At Narita Airport, this is done in a cordoned-off area next to the check-in counters. After the inspection is finished, the bags are locked, and security tape is then put on top of the zippers/lock to show that they have gone through inspection. The passengers then check-in as usual, and the bags are not opened again.

The wait time for this inspection process is only a few minutes, depending on how many people are checking in. In any case, there is an inspection area next to each bank of check-in counters, so it is not as if everyone has to go through one big central check-point.

This is probably a better process - 100% of checked baggage gets inspected, passengers are reassured as to the security of their bags, and delays are minimal.

Why the TSA insists on doing baggage inspection out of sight is a mystery to me. Maybe they feel the wait time to do it in front is a hassle....

Any potential problems with this method in the USA?


User currently offlineNotdownnlocked From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 935 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 5081 times:

I completely agree with USAJPNflyer but the problem here in the US is that if the TSA people were to do this in sight of the owners, how would they be able to supplement their pittance incomes without the stolen goods? Nonetheless how can anybody feel safe flying in the skies of the US? If somebody can take something out of your locked bag (not a soft leather suitcase where the zipper can be pried open) but a steel reinforced hardened box/trunk fully legal to be checked in), how easy would it be to put something in than to smuggle it out? I guess for now it's a widespread problem as just ask any TSA agent and they can easily find and give you a claim form for missing or pilfered items. There was also an article on ATW.com a week or two about a Senator or Congressman asking in public why all the TSA employees have not undergone complete background checks before being hired. It is mentioned how some of the employees go from parole to TSA payroll without the complete checks.

User currently offlineUSAJPNflyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 94 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 5052 times:

Another problem with the inspections-not-in-sight process, as Notdownnlocked suggests, is that things could be put into checked baggage.

It is conceivable that smuggling rings could use passenger baggage as conveyances for illegal goods (e.g. drugs or contraband). A group could be at the departing airport putting contraband in, and another group could be at the arriving airport, taking contraband out before the bags get to baggage claim. If for some reason the 'goods' are not retrieved before the passenger claims the bags on arrival, guess who is responsible? The unsuspecting passenger...

In certain countries (e.g. Malaysia, Singapore, Philippines), having drugs in your checked baggage may result in an automatic death penalty for drug smuggling. How will the innocent passenger defend himself/herself if the drugs are inside? Would these certain countries be sympathetic to the 'unlocked bag' defense?


User currently offlineBR715-A1-30 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 5040 times:

If they can see in there is no need to open it right???

Oh trust me L-188, They'll find a way.  Yeah sure


User currently offlineHa763 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 3660 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 5028 times:
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Unfortunately, the check-in lobbies of the US airports were not designed for all the increased security we now have. Once it was determined that there would be 100% bag checks using the CTX machines, TSA, the airports, and the airlines had to figure out where to put them. These machines take up a lot of space and are about the weight of a minivan and the lobby floors would not be able to handle the weight of all the CTX machines.

For example, when only random checks were mandated prior to Sept. 11, HA and AQ each had their CTX machine set up in their respective lobbies and it took up a lot of space. Now, with HA and AQ having approximately 4 more CTX machines each, there was no way they could put them in the lobbies and had to put them in the already busy bag make up areas because that's the only place that had room so it could be put in such a short time.

I was able to listen to some of the planning done to meet the 100% bag check requirement and saw the plans on how it would be set up. Even though it is not the most efficent or preferred set up, it was the best that could be done in such a short time.


25 N754pr : It has nothing to do with Bin Laden, it has more to do with crappy security guys that work for peanuts and do care about their job.
26 Tan flyr : In airports where the screening is done prior to check-in, Ihave noticed that when the line is long, they just do the tests with the swabs, etc., then
27 Yqfca : You asked my opinion on these terrorists. I recently came across this little piece I like to share with you from a motorcycle magazine website: Everyo
28 HlywdCatft : **It has nothing to do with Bin Laden, it has more to do with crappy security guys that work for peanuts and do care about their job.** Are you kiddin
29 777guy : I remember a few years ago when one of the news organizions did some secret filming of baggage workers in Miami. They were caught on film rifling thr
30 Ikarus : Funny. In Heathrow, when they picked me for special attention and extra screening, they asked me to bring my luggage to a little room on the side. The
31 Dan2002 : I remember when i flew AA last year i had locks on my luggage and when i finally got to it in LAS the locks were gone and replaced with a red sticker.
32 Hamad : I asked someone who works for continental, he was sitting beside me on a flight . i asked him why not inspect them infront of you, he said "oh, the ne
33 ScottysAir : HlywdCatft, You need get an GED or High School Diploma to get the job at TSA, ok? You will need get english communication with the job at TSA. This is
34 Silverfox : The possible drug scenario is very scary. What can a passenger do if he gets caught. Blame GWB?
35 Gigneil : Interestingly... My mom traveled with locked luggage when visiting me in DC a few weeks back... lo and behold she got one of the notecards from TSA in
36 Post contains images Jumbolino : @Jwenting - now I know what happened with my luggage in Schiphol Well, two weeks later I've gotten it back, but I'm sure only because nothing else was
37 Post contains images EmiratesA345 : These procedures were not implemented by Osama Bin Laden. It was the American government. Sure, he was the cause, but I hardly believe that his main g
38 Bobrayner : Theft is pretty much universal. There's not much you can do about it except complain - in writing. I once flew to Sofia and accidentally left my carry
39 Speedbirdyvr : Suggestion for those who live in SEA, BUF, or any US city close to the Canadian border: Drive to YVR/YYZ to take an international flight to Europe/Asi
40 Zoomer : I'm surprised that American lawyers haven't taken this matter up in as much as I don't like the idea of my bags being opened by a third party without
41 Jetblast25 : Those plastic nylon tie wraps are the answer. If someone wants to get in to a bag with a lock, steel or otherwise,they will. So the wraps are good eno
42 Silverfox : Zoomer, Exactly my point. I have mailed BA for their response, esp the possible scenario whereby villain 1 in US opens your bag so villain 2 in UK or
43 Copter808 : AWA22 You might not have ever seen anyone going through a bag (neither have I), but I'll bet that you've seen hundreds of broken locks littering the r
44 Gigneil : I'm surprised that American lawyers haven't taken this matter up in as much as I don't like the idea of my bags being opened by a third party without
45 Notdownnlocked : Gigneil, So you are also saying that having items picked from your luggage should be written off as just a cost of doing business whether it is person
46 Silverfox : Ok folks hers the reply from BA. It would appaer that they are only the messenger. so dont get uptight at them. Thank you for your e-mail to British A
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