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Airbus Announces EK Order  
User currently offlineAFa340-300E From France, joined May 1999, 2084 posts, RR: 26
Posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3940 times:

Hello,


Noël Forgeard just announced that Emirates was ordering 21 A380-800s and 20 A340-500s and -600s. Details will be given at a press conference, tomorrow.


Best regards,
Alain Mengus
Air Transport Business [ATB]

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User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16245 posts, RR: 56
Reply 1, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 3866 times:

Attached is a Reuters news release from earlier today:

http://biz.yahoo.com/rc/030615/airshow_airbus_emirates_1.html

So EK will have 43 A380's on firm order (22 from an earlier order, 21 from this order).



Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 3847 times:

love how these reports routinely fail to specify between A340/777 model variants....

User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12411 posts, RR: 37
Reply 3, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 3826 times:

In fairness, this is Airbus's side of the deal, so one assume's Noel Foregeard is, shall we say, less concerned about what Boeing gets out of it.

Good news anyway (well, for Airbus).


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 3803 times:

KaiTak raises an intersting point: EK is not a one-sided carrier, would be interesting to see what sort of order Boeing gets out of them... 25/25 for 772LR/773ER?

User currently offlineAFa340-300E From France, joined May 1999, 2084 posts, RR: 26
Reply 5, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 3781 times:

Hello,


The number of 777-300ERs that they will order will indeed be of great interest. I doubt however that they would order -200LRs with the 10 additional A340-500s that they are taking -- an order that was not announced in the report published in Flight International.

BTW, one point that surprised me: General Electric has yet to come up with the GE90-120/125B it was reportedly working on for Emirates.



But let's wait for the press conference Airbus will be giving tomorrow; we indeed don't know what are options, what are firm commitments.


The Paris Air Show no longer an exciting event? Seems like some people has spoken too early!

Best regards,
Alain Mengus
Air Transport Business [ATB]


User currently offlineCo 757-300 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2001, 324 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 3737 times:

speaking of EK, will they EVER open up a NYC or IAD route?

User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 3729 times:

I doubt however that they would order -200LRs with the 10 additional A340-500s that they are taking

What was stated some time ago was that they were considering 772LR sans supplimentary tanks to basically operate as superhigh-MTOW 772 for the replacement of their "older" 772A/ERs


User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6098 posts, RR: 23
Reply 8, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3696 times:

Co 757-300: They have been talking about Dubai to JFK and SFO in 2004 with the A345. I would assume this is a much more promising of chances now! Keep your eyes open for those announcements.
ASSFO



"Some pilots avoid storm cells and some play connect the dots!"
User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3674 times:

EK isnt the one delaying the nonstop UAE-USA flights... the USA gov't is still unassured of the safety of DXB, and have yet to raise its operation to Stage/Category-1

User currently offlineAFa340-300E From France, joined May 1999, 2084 posts, RR: 26
Reply 10, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3669 times:

Hello ConcordeBoy,


Indeed and I mentioned this possibility in my 777X article of October 2002, but Flight International reported that Emirates would have dropped plans to replace earlier 777-200A and -200ERs, and that all the airplanes that would be ordered would be used for growth.


Best regards,
Alain Mengus
Air Transport Business [ATB]


User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4971 posts, RR: 51
Reply 11, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3658 times:

EK sure has a ton of money to waste..

Mark


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3656 times:

Flight International also posted a few [other?] inaccuracies as well  Big grin

[Edited 2003-06-15 22:45:57]

User currently offlineUdo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3646 times:

I'm wondering why they regard DXB as a safe destination for MH's EWR-DXB operation...


Regards
Udo


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3597 times:

I'm wondering why they regard DXB as a safe destination for MH's EWR-DXB operation...


It may have been at one time... just as Korea was before the USA decided it unsafe and unfit for future expansion for a time?

B747-437B explained the current problem with EK/DXB flying nonstop USA pretty well in another thread, look for that if you want a more thorough definition.


User currently offlineB757300 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 4114 posts, RR: 23
Reply 15, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3566 times:

Jeez, I wish I had that much money to burn on a regular basis. I just can't see any airline needing such a large number of high and super high capacity aircraft. Oh well, only time will tell.


"There is no victory at bargain basement prices."
User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4971 posts, RR: 51
Reply 16, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 3457 times:

Yeah even the world's largest airline dont need 20-odd A380's  Laugh out loud

User currently offlineDonder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6659 posts, RR: 21
Reply 17, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 3450 times:

41 on order now for Emirates?

User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 3447 times:

Yeah even the world's largest airline dont need 20-odd A380's

The world's top THREE airlines barely have more than forty 747s between them.... much less forty A380s!!


User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16245 posts, RR: 56
Reply 19, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3416 times:

41 on order now for Emirates?

43 actually.

I can't imagine where all these behemoths will fly to. In addition to the fleet of 772/773/345/346 aircraft.




Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 7993 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3310 times:

If they could extend the runway to 16,000+ feet at DXB, how about the possibility of DXB-DTW non-stop on an EK A380?  Smile Given that the Detroit metro area has the largest population of people of Arab descent in the USA, they would love to be able to fly directly to the Middle East without having to transit through LHR, CDG, AMS or FRA.

I envisage DXB-JFK and DXB-DTW on the A388, plus DXB-SFO/LAX on the A340-500 and DXB-IAH on the A340-600HGW (this last flight serves petroleum industry workers and executives).


User currently offlineMandala499 From Indonesia, joined Aug 2001, 6770 posts, RR: 75
Reply 21, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3297 times:

Udo, AS739X, Co757-300,
MH has rights to go to the US and the FAA has accepted MH operating into US for years... whether it be through the Pacific or through ME/Europe. Where they stopover doesn't matter in terms of safety regulations. What matters is if there is an independent overseer for safety.

As Concordeboy says, there are problems associated with this route... So EK can get as many A345s they want, but unless the US regulatory body(ies) are satisfied that EK can have its maintenance independently supervised (a standard requirement) the US will not allow it to fly into their cities on a regular scheduled pax service. At the moment, it cannot convince anyone that the maintenance has an independent overseer because EK, DXB, and everything else about Aviation in the State of Dubai is owned by DNATA...

Further inquiries to some sources also state that EK isn't likely to be released from the clutches of DNATA because of "uncontrolled methods" of reporting financial figures. Again, there's a lack of independent auditing in this aspect...

It looks like some airlines are only in it for the game, and not for the money... Lucky they got rich backers  Smile

Mandala499



When losing situational awareness, pray Cumulus Granitus isn't nearby !
User currently offlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 7993 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3285 times:

Mandala499,

I think there is one way EK can avoid the situation you just described: have some of their fleet maintained by an outside organization, like for example use the companies that maintain the A340-600's for VS and possibly the company that will eventually maintain the A380-800's for AF. Given the large number of A340-500/600's and A380-800's EK will get the airline could spare a small number of A345/A346 and A388 airplanes to be serviced outside the DNATA organization so they get FAA certification to fly only these planes to the USA from DXB. Given how rich the backers of EK are they could afford to do this.  Smile


User currently offlineN754pr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3235 times:

More great news for Airbus and the A380.

User currently offlineBluebellyA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 167 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3155 times:

Does EK have the option of converting some of the orders to the other 380 series at a future date or strictly -800? I could see a few -700s and a couple -900s thrown into the mix, if they are actually launched. That's an awful lot of one model! Best of luck, nevertheless!

25 Teahan : Well know it is well past 10:00 (time of the press conference) and nothing anywhere). Airbus.com, Emirates.com, Boeing.com or Google News. Jeremiah
26 Teahan : Confirmed! - 18 A340-600 - 2 A340-500 - 21 A380-800 In addition to the direct order, 2 A380 and 2 A340-600 will be leased from ILFC. Total: 45 Boeing
27 Post contains links Teahan : Link: http://biz.yahoo.com/rc/030616/airshow_2.html Jeremiah
28 Teahan : Some more information. Deliveries of the A340-500s will begin in 2004, A340-600s in 2007 and A380s in 2009. Jeremiah
29 Post contains images Mandala499 : RayC... Exactly ! Now, what will EK do with all those planes ? I guess it's time Ek go into some financially questionable routes ! *Hey rich backers !
30 QatarAirways : Any information regarding the remaining options on the A340-500 and A380-800. Are they still valid?
31 Post contains images Sabenapilot : How many A380s have been sold in total? Must be well over 100 by now? I suppose even the most skeptical observer must admit by now there is a market f
32 Joni : Counting the yet-to-be-inked Malaysia and Qatar orders I think the 388 backlog is now 126 units.
33 Teahan : Joni, Well 95 firm 21 New EK Order 2 Qatar 6 Malaysia Total: 124 Jeremiah
34 Joni : Teahan, I stand corrected.
35 Post contains links Teahan : Airbus press release: http://www.airbus.com/LeBourget2003/articles_detail.asp?ae_id=1290 Jeremiah
36 Kaitak : The split between the A340-5/600(ER) is interesting; I was only expecting 10 -600s, whereas (including the 2 ordered from ILFC), they will have 20. I
37 Singapore_Air : Where do they get their money? How many of these are being leased? How many of these are they going to own?
38 Gigneil : I'm curious as to the actual specifications of the higher-gross-weight 346. I'm positive that will spark an interest with the gentlemen over in Hong K
39 Gigneil : Their owner? They're a publically held and traded company that reports its finances just like any other multinational corporation. Their major shareho
40 Scorpio : According to Emirates' website the new A380 orders include 2 freighters. The airline has also announced the Boeing part of the deal: 26 777-300ERs to
41 Udo : I'm really wondering why they want to operate the direct competitors A340-600s and B777-300ERs side by side. The A340-500 would seem more logical for
42 Greg : I'm glad to see both Airbus and Boeing doing well by Emirates. However, this is very close to financial suicide when you start looking at their curren
43 Flying lsd : Emirates will add 26 new 777 300 ER but it's a sad day for Boeing for them it's NOT a new order because Emirates will lease these birds from Gecas and
44 Udo : Nobody wants to stop in the Middle East? I think their planes are full exactly for the reason that people do like stopovers at Dubai. People know well
45 Cfalk : Well, I guess we'll know who will provide the biggest A380 order cancellation in a few years. Emirates is absolutely nuts. Charles
46 Udo : Charles, Emirates is not Swiss. Regards Udo
47 Kaitak : It's a big risk, but a noble and impressive one. Say what you want about EK having money burn, yada, yada, yada . . . EK is only a part of what Dubai
48 Cfalk : Udo, Swiss won't survive long enough to take delivery of an A380. They will be bankrupt before it is put into service. But can you expect me to believ
49 Udo : Even if they used them once per year, they would not go out business. But I'm quite sure they know what they are doing and they will have use for the
50 Teahan : - The two ILFC A380s will de delivered in April and June 2007. Lease term: 15 years. - The leased A340-600s will de delivered in 2008. Lease term of 1
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