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Usairways To Drop SNA Service  
User currently offlineLgbguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3940 times:

JUST GOT WORD A SHORT TIME AGO THAT USAIRWAYS WILL DROP ALL SERVICE TO SNA AS OF SEPTEMBER 3RD.

LGBGUY

43 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineTrvlr From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4430 posts, RR: 21
Reply 1, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3887 times:

Wow! Big news. It's especially a hit for SNA, which will lose all service to Pennsylvania.

Will USAirways add more flights at LAX or SAN to accomodate this reduction?

Aaron G.


User currently offlineLgbguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3851 times:

I wouldn't know about additional service at LAX or SAN, but I wouldn't be surprised if they do........stay tuned.

lgbguy


User currently offlineUsairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3392 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3826 times:

I doubt any additional service will be added...just recently US added a flight from SNA-PHL, along with the SNA-PIT flight...i am not sure if there was more than one PIT flight previously. Both flights are operated with 319's

User currently offlineJjbiv From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1226 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3812 times:

What was the magnitude of the US operation at SNA? How many RON aircraft? Gates/ticket counter space? Did they self-handle or contract with a ground handler?

joe


User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6581 posts, RR: 24
Reply 5, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3793 times:

The SNA-PHL flight wasn't new. All US did was shift one PIT-SNA to PHL-SNA.

I find it amazing that US would dump SNA....it's a pretty high-yield market and the slots are in demand (note the recent struggles by ATA and FRNT to get the slots they wanted). I realize the goal is to let UAL do most of the Western U.S. service, but moves like this still hurt US. For example, if I want to fly PNS-SNA, DL will fly me PNS-ATL-SNA or CO will do PNS-IAH-SNA. But on US, I'd have to fly PNS-CLT-DEN-SNA. The double connection is a big waste of time and money for business travelers.

US has got to find a way to compete in the domestic market. A bunch of RJ's and Caribbean expansion isn't going to save US, if they can't manage to make money in major markets like SNA.


User currently offlineGreg From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3787 times:

No offense...but it's hardly noteworthy.
USAir didn't provide a lot of lift out of John Wayne, anway.

"...lose all service to Pennsylvania..."<----I hope that was a joke...I'm still laughing!


User currently offlineJohn From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 1374 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3735 times:

This is the 2nd time they're dumping SNA!! Big mistake, if you ask me. This is THE ONE and ONLY 'inherited' city leftover from the original PSA aquisition, now there is NOTHING left! Dumbest move USAir ever made in 1988. Not to mention all the ex-PSA people who were either uprouted or lost their jobs all together!  Sad

User currently onlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6523 posts, RR: 51
Reply 8, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3661 times:

Could it be that the demand just wasn't there to warrant the service, high yield or not? I'm sure they made this decision based solely on financial matters. SNA is a prized market, so obviously they had to put a good deal of thought into this. US has to be selective as to which routes to fly for the time being thanks to its financial difficulties.

User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8894 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3606 times:

Can we get an official release or an article of any kind? I am very sceptical that US Airways would be dropping SNA, as others have said it is in high demand, is profitable, etc. I can't really see any reason why US Airways would be dropping a profitable market, especially in a time of economic depression for this industry.

Jeff


User currently offlineAirDD From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 375 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3447 times:

I would doubt they US dump SNA,

Their flights are usually packed and they just started service to PHL.


airDD




User currently offlineCanyonBlue From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3439 times:

It sucks to hear that USAir is dropping SNA. I guess in order to rebuild you need to tear down. Such a shame to hear that more employees jobs are in danger. Here in ROC there's a rumor USAir will go all regional by fall. Once again more jobs lost. I really hope that this trend will eventually stop

User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9603 posts, RR: 69
Reply 12, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3414 times:
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just tried booking a flight from PHL-SNA in November, only flights listed were connecting through ORD or DEN, so it sure looks offical to me.

User currently offlineZrs70 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 3129 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3410 times:

I imagine that US will add its code on all UA service out of SNA, and that it will be advertised as an "enhancement" rather than a cutback.


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User currently offlineLgbguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3400 times:

talking to the usairways staff here at SNA ALL WEST COAST CITYS and MAINLINE PIT SERVICE will be dropped come sept 3. Usairways will switch all it's west coast flights to United..and Usairways will fly under United regional partner..every plane will overtime be repainted United colors...

User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9603 posts, RR: 69
Reply 15, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3379 times:
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Michael -

That is HUGE news, thanks for the update!

Royal


User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24870 posts, RR: 46
Reply 16, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3367 times:

US Airways operates two flights at SNA. One from PHL and one from PIT, both with A319 equipment and the PHL flight does RON.




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User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6098 posts, RR: 23
Reply 17, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3358 times:

So you are saying LGBGUY that San Francisco and Los Angeles will be dropped as well. I'd be surprised about that, but not shocked. I just dont see that, but maybe smaller west coast citys
ASSFO



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User currently offlineUsairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3392 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3308 times:

AS739X: Lgbguy is just exagerating...first IF US leaves PIT they are not going to completely leave all mainline operations. Second, US barely has any West Coast cities(LAX, SFO, SEA, LAS, SAN, PHX, SNA), most of which are very popular routes. PHL and CLT both have 4 or 5 flights to LAX and LAS. US isn't going to give up West Coast cities to UA...they may give up SNA but thats it.

User currently offlineContinentalEWR From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3762 posts, RR: 13
Reply 19, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3286 times:

Stupid move on US Airways' part, if it is indeed true. The surrounding area is home to dozens of companies, from Disney to Pimco and Pacific Life, and if demand improves, business travel to SNA can be high yielding. When I see US doing this, I can't help but think that despite a new coat of paint, new planes, fresh out of bankruptcy, it is hard to take this airline seriously but then again, if it can lean on the resources of United to do most of its non core East-West flying, then so be it.

ContinentalEWR


User currently offlineTrvlr From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4430 posts, RR: 21
Reply 20, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3231 times:

Greg: Pennsylvania's a big state, and the areas that surround PIT and PHL specifically contain a lot of people. To make a comparison, it's like what happened when Florida lost all service to the Pacific Northwest with the departure of AA's MIA-SEA route. There was only one or two flights, but they provided a valuable connection to a large and important area of the country. If US is indeed serious, then we have a similar situation at SNA.

Aaron G.


User currently offlineTZSFO From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 202 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 3184 times:

I know that here in SFO US is giving up there gate space to move over to Terminal three with UA....that is supposed to happen at the end of summer. I hadn't heard about the loss of all mainline service though....


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User currently offlineOuboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4567 posts, RR: 23
Reply 22, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 3176 times:

TZSFO - Don't pay any attention to Lgbguy as far U pulling everything from the west coast. If it would happen, Dave would be walked out of Crystal Palace and left to rot. US Airways makes no money off of code-share flights operated by United, so it would be fiscally stupid to hand over some of the most profitable flights - transcons.

User currently offlineScottb From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6712 posts, RR: 32
Reply 23, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3133 times:

I have to say that I'm astonished that US Airways is dropping service (aside from UA codeshare) to SNA. With the restrictions, SNA slots are practically a license to print money. But it is one of their smallest mainline stations, and I suppose they face some significant fixed costs (staff, equipment, rentals) for two daily A319's.

I just can't see how they will survive long-term if they continue to shrink their route system -- it will become increasingly difficult to compete with Delta and Continental on the East Coast; routing everyone via United isn't the solution either unless they intend to try the merger again.


User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6581 posts, RR: 24
Reply 24, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3085 times:

Ouboy,

I wouldn't say transcons are necessarily that profitable. In fact, USAirways has continuely complained about how much they were losing on the transcons. Problem is that while people on the East Coast know USAirways, the people out West barely do.

I'm sure the transcons out of PIT have seen further deterioration with the arrival of America West and ATA.

However with all that said, SNA would seem to be the highest yielding destination on the West Coast...other than SFO. So, if US can't make it work, they are in for trouble. Or US is really plannning on just shrinking into a regional carrier designed to feed a larger UAL network.


25 Klwright69 : "Problem is that while people on the East Coast know USAirways, the people out West barely do." This is VERY true. This is why I posted a disagreement
26 LGB Photos : Usairways85 and Ouboy79 I don't believe that LGBGUY is exaggerating. He works at SNA and heard this from several US Airways employees at SNA and also
27 Travelin man : Living on the West Coast, I've never had the opportunity to fly USAirways, for the simple reason I've never needed to go to CLT, PHL, or PIT. Even if
28 Greg : I'm sorry, I read the rest of the thread but I just don't see much significance in having a single carrier pull out of a marginal market. Any under ca
29 Usairways85 : LGB Photos: so you're tellin me that within a few short months there will be absolutely no mainline flights from PIT? Also US will drop all west coast
30 LGB Photos : Usairways85: Did I say there would be no mainline flight from PIT??? NO! I was trying to provide evidence as to why I don't think that LGBGUY is exagg
31 Lgbguy : USAIRWAYS85 AND OUBBOY79, Gentlemen my first question to you is, do either one of you work for an airline? Looking at our profiles I would say that yo
32 Usairways85 : i completely respect your information you write on these boards and i'm certain you know more about the talk going through the airline than i do...no
33 2cn : I don't believe that LGBGUY is exaggerating. He works at SNA and heard this from several US Airways employees at SNA and also several US Airways emplo
34 Post contains images Art at ISP : It makes no sense for US to withdraw from one of its most profitable markets. SNA flights have historically been near full. Of course because it makes
35 Luv2fly : In theory these code shares make some sense, tho thinking long term what happens when the airlines part ways and now you US is back to square one, sec
36 MSYtristar : The costs obviously outweigh the benefits of keeping the nonstops running in this instance. US would not pull out of a route if they had not reason to
37 Trvlr : For a non-hub market such as SNA, the loss of a few routes can mean a lot, because other carriers are more reluctant to pick up that route if it does
38 Scottb : You know, two years ago, US Airways said that one of their biggest problems was the predominance of short-haul flying in their route structure, and th
39 Lgbguy : Saturday September 6 ,2003 at 8:25 am the last USAirways flight to PHL-PIT will depart....it's sad to see them go after all these years..Just think at
40 WMUPilot : Ok so there is a RON space open correct? So who is the lucky carrier that will get the spot? I know TZ already told SNA no because we wanted a RON spo
41 UA744Flagship : I would imagine UA will take US's slots and resume IAD-SNA to compensate.
42 Lgbguy : The talk over here at SNA is FRNT will get the open RON slot..In a perfect world ALL of the new slots shoud have gone to the Airlines already at SNA..
43 WMUPilot : I guess that's what ya get for having an airport around an overly rich community.
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