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Will LH's YUL-MUC Flight Be Seasonal  
User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4952 posts, RR: 51
Posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2137 times:

Surprisingly today,

The LH flights to MUC for winter 2004, are no longer in the system. So I wonder, is this a trial flight, or will this be a seasonal route.

Yesterday's flight left 100% full, the whole business class section was bought by the BMW Williams F1 team, all of which paid full fare for their seats.

Thursday's flight is the same deal, all sections of the aircraft F.J.Y are sold-out.

So I hope they keep this flight year-round.

Mark

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User currently offlineSailorOrion From Germany, joined Feb 2001, 2058 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2103 times:

I think LH has not made up their minds yet about the winter schedule, according to my latest info (June 14th) the MUC-YUL flight will go 5x a week in the winter. We shall see, I keep you updated.

SailorOrion


User currently offlineWunderk From Canada, joined Jun 2003, 98 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2084 times:


I tend to think the YUL-MUC flights will be seasonal. AC's YYZ-MUC, as well as a whole bunch of Transatlantic AC routes from YYZ, are seasonal (Manchester, Copenhagen, Dublin, Amsterdam, Zurich etc). I don't see any reason why Montreal will have a higher traffic, considering YYZ is a bigger hub for AC. I almost used LH and AC interchangeably, because of their alliance relationship.


User currently offlineYHU From Canada, joined Jun 2000, 428 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2068 times:

However, the connections available are much greater for LH on the Munich end than it is for Air Canada at any of the destinations you mentioned. AC is seasonal to AMS from YYZ, but KLM isn't. AC is seasonal to Zurich, but Swiss isn't. I think it's the connections at the Europe end that keep these flights going.

Dave


User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4952 posts, RR: 51
Reply 4, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2055 times:

Well LH has soldout almost all of their flights this summer.

I can tell you this by the availability charts. yesterday's flight had 12 Denied boarding due to oversales.

Mark


User currently offlineWunderk From Canada, joined Jun 2003, 98 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2051 times:


Right, using the same logic, since YYZ has more connection traffic via AC than YUL, with MUC being constant (with AC and LH partners), wouldn't we expect YYZ-MUC being served year round before we see YUL-MUC going so?


User currently offlineYHU From Canada, joined Jun 2000, 428 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2045 times:

You also have to keep in mind how much competition there is out of YYZ. Toronto has a lot more Euro bound flights than Montreal. So YUL-MUC may have an okay chance of making it year round. Not saying they will, as I have no insight to LH's thinking.

Dave


User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4952 posts, RR: 51
Reply 7, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2049 times:

Firstly, YYZ-MUC is served year round.

Secondly, YUL-MUC has little to no effect on YYZ-MUC. LH serves the strong demand for the FRA route that is always oversold, and spills over to MUC.

Air Canada's intent is to develop Montreal has a 2nd hub to Canada, a much smaller and efficient one than perhaps YYZ.

Mark


User currently offlineJohnnybgoode From Germany, joined Jan 2001, 2187 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1993 times:

i thought i´d be year round, but with great reductions in frequency in winter. if they were to operate 5/7 that would still be an increase from 4/7 summer so i highly doubt that. somewhere i heard they´d operate 2/7 but that would seem very unlikely considering that´s a really low frequency for one of LH´s transatlantic flights.

cheers
daniel



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User currently offlineWunderk From Canada, joined Jun 2003, 98 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1961 times:

YYZ-MUC used to be year round, but not in the past (one, if not two) winter(s).

User currently offlineSailorOrion From Germany, joined Feb 2001, 2058 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1949 times:

Current standing:
AC847 MUC-YYZ: daily with 767
LH474 MUc-YUL: 3/7 with A343.

SailorOrion


User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4952 posts, RR: 51
Reply 11, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1922 times:

Wunderk,

Im telling you bud, YYZ-MUC operated 5 weekly this winter, a friend took the flight.

As for YUL-MUC... in the NW PARS system, the flights show that they would re-start next may anyway.

Mark


User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4952 posts, RR: 51
Reply 12, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1917 times:

In any event,

LH's flights to YUL seem like an instant success... all of them are showing limited availability until Mid-September. Most flights already have a sold-out J cabin until August, and this would also invoke that many have paid full-fare given that upgrades can only be made 72 hours prior to departure.

The next 3 flights show 100% overbooked in all cabins.

Mark


User currently offlineRizzibird From Germany, joined Dec 2000, 232 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1872 times:

@ Mark
Where did you get those numbers from? I have access to LH's own system and I can tell you that the next 3 flights are definitely NOT all sold out! I'm sorry that I'm not allowed to give exact numbers but so far business is only roughly half full for the next few days, eco full on some days and aroud 70% on other days.


User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4952 posts, RR: 51
Reply 14, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1877 times:

from PARS


June 16: 12 denied boardings

June 19: F0 A0 O0 C0 D0 Z0 Y0 B0 M0 LH475 (0 availability in any class of service)

June 21: F0 A0 O0 C0 D0 Z0 Y0 B0 M0 LH475

June 23: F4 A4 C9 D9 Z9 Y9 B9 M9 H9 Q9 V9 W9 S9 (wide open)

June 26: F4 A4 C9 D9 Z9 Y9 B9 M9 H9 Q9 V9 W9 S9

June 28:

June 30: F4 A4 C3 D3 Z0 Y0 B0 M0 H0 Q0 V0 W0 S0

LH 474 inbound:

June 26: F2 A2 C9 D9 Z9 Y3 B3 M4 H2 Q2 V0 W0 S0

June 28: F4 A2 C2 D2 Z2 Y0 B0 M0 H0 Q0 V0 W0 S0

June 30: F6 A5 C6 D6 Z6 Y0 B0 M0 H0 Q0 V0 W0 S0

July 3rd: F1 A1 C1 D1 Z1 Y0 B0 M0 H0 Q0 V0 W0 S0

July5th: F5 A2 C9 D9 Z6 Y0 B0 M0 H0 Q0 V0 W0 S0

July 7: F7 A2 C9 D9 Z9 Y0 B0 M0 H0 Q0 V0 W0 S0

July 10: F1 A1 C1 D1 Z1 Y0 B0 M0 H0 Q0 V0 W0 S0

July 12: F8 A2 C9 D9 Z9 Y1 B1 M1 H0 Q0 V0 W0 S0

July 14: F6 A2 C9 D9 Z9 Y0 B0 M0 H0 Q0 V0 W0 S0

July 17: F0 A0 C0 D0 Z0 Y0 B0 M0 H0 Q0 V0 W0 S0

This looks pretty full to me...

Mark




User currently offlineRizzibird From Germany, joined Dec 2000, 232 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 1827 times:

@ Mark
Could you please post your numbers for LH474 for the 19th, 21st and 23rd of June? Those are the flights I checked and the figures were like I said earlier. I'm just interested in seeing the differences in our scources. Thanks!


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