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A Question About This Year's Air Show In Paris  
User currently offlineCharleslp From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 336 posts, RR: 0
Posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3853 times:

Why aren't too many American aircraft there? Is it some kind of protest?

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User currently offlineBobrayner From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2003, 2227 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3833 times:

Is it some kind of protest?

Yes.

Oh, you wanted the long answer..?  Smile

No senior officers, restrictions on what hardware is going (and how it's showed off), and some firms have reduced their presence too.



Cunning linguist
User currently offlineCharleslp From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 336 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3829 times:

You (airliner.net members) won't consider Americans "cowards" just because they didn't fly at the Air Show, do you?

User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13170 posts, RR: 78
Reply 3, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3831 times:

Though some US companies have said in recent years that they doubt the actual business case for attending airshows, as regards generating sales, this US non-appearance at Paris 2003 seems a case of 'cutting off your nose to spite your face'.
A shame.


User currently offlineBobrayner From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2003, 2227 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3824 times:

I doubt "cowards" is the right word. Flying in France is hardly dangerous!  Smile

A small number of people (including, unfortunately, some big politicians, and journalists, on both sides of the Atlantic) seem to have been very childish in the last few months. This hardly applies to hundreds of millions of people, though, and I don't think most senior managers in the aviation industry are going to earn their bonus by being childish with [potential] customers.



Cunning linguist
User currently offlineLY744 From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 5536 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 3822 times:

Not cowards, more like 'silly' and 'ridiculous' (being diplomatic).

LY744.



Pacifism only works if EVERYBODY practices it
User currently offlineCharleslp From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 336 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3818 times:

One thing that is actually kind of odd is the fact that US is supposedly the "leader of capitalism." Doesn't it seem kind of odd that the US Government is telling the aerospace industy that it can't go to Paris "because they (the French) were against us"? Doesn't this kind of sound like COMMUNISM?!  Wow!


User currently offlineCharleslp From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 336 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3816 times:

Okay, maybe I was being a little crazy when I mentioned the word "communism."

User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16822 posts, RR: 51
Reply 8, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3814 times:

I don't remember anyone making a boycott of France "Official", I think people and companies make their own decisions.

If a aerospace company decides not to go Paris to get on the good side of the current administration so what, it's not the same thing as a totalitarian Government ordering their people not to do something.

And besides there are many US Comapanies (Boeing and Honeywell included) at the Paris air show, this years contingent is smaller than previous years but that can be attributed to many factors. Lingering anger at the French Government, and the current economic and aviation slow down means there's not to many buying. So why splurge on folks who are "just browsing", orders are won in board room meetings. Not at airshows.




Eastern Air lines flt # 701, EWR-MCO Boeing 757
User currently offlineBobrayner From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2003, 2227 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3804 times:

orders are won in board room meetings. Not at airshows
If so, then how can so many businesses cost-justify appearing at airshows year after year?

I agree in part - it's often an opportunity to show off some contract that was signed weeks ago, or some product that might have been available last month or might not be in production until xmas, or or or...

However, airshows are still an excellent opportunity to push presentations, wine and dine potential buyers, check out the competition's stand, cajole would-be buyers, and so on.

If it doesn't make economic sense for US firms to make a big effort, then you must wonder why everybody else is bothering to make an effort.



Cunning linguist
User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16822 posts, RR: 51
Reply 10, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3797 times:

"If it doesn't make economic sense for US firms to make a big effort, then you must wonder why everybody else is bothering to make an effort."

For the same reason there's no major airshow in the US, it makes no economic sense.

It's a luxury, one not afforded well to investors and Unions when people are being laid off.



Eastern Air lines flt # 701, EWR-MCO Boeing 757
User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16822 posts, RR: 51
Reply 11, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3793 times:

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/06/17/business/17SHOW.html?pagewanted=1&ei=5059&en=90a302c4052c4287&ex=1055908800&partner=AOL


Eastern Air lines flt # 701, EWR-MCO Boeing 757
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