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SAA's 747SPs  
User currently offlinePlanenutz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (11 years 3 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2354 times:

SAA's June inflight magazine lists 747SPs ZS-SPC "Maluti" and ZS-SPE "Hantam" as part of the current SAA fleet (along with 3 A340-600s, 2 A340-200s, and 2 A330s leased from BMI). Does anyone know which routes these planes operate? I understand that they were being used JNB-MXP but that this had recenly changed to 743s.

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User currently offlineAviasian From Singapore, joined Jan 2001, 1486 posts, RR: 14
Reply 1, posted (11 years 3 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2322 times:

SAA's B747SPs do come to Bangkok . . . although intermittently, they are also operating the B742 or B743.

KC Sim
Bangkok


User currently offlineN754pr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (11 years 3 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2325 times:

I saw BOTH of them on the groud at the same time in Bangkok on May 5th or 6th.

User currently offlineAirways From Switzerland, joined Mar 2001, 880 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (11 years 3 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2309 times:

According to my information, ZS-SPC came to BKK once in May because ZS-SPE broke down there the day before.

Michael
http://airsider.net


User currently offlineSwissgabe From Switzerland, joined Jan 2000, 5266 posts, RR: 32
Reply 4, posted (11 years 3 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2301 times:

In the CRS ALL three weekly South African flights from JNB to BKK (on day 1/3/6) are loaded with 74Ls until mid of December 2003!

I think SAA really has lack of some aircrafts, otherwise the 74Ls would have been replaced.



Smooth as silk - Royal Orchid Service /// Suid-Afrikaanse Lugdiens - Springbok
User currently offlinePlanenutz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (11 years 3 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2262 times:

It seems that (if the inflight mag. is accurate) SAA has an exceedingly large fleet for its long-haul ops. Consider it:

744 8
743 6
742 4
74L 2
762 2
A46 3 (6 on order)
A42 2 (3 on order)
A33 2 (both leased from bmi)

That's 29 aircraft for 29 destinations outside of South Africa, the majoroty of which are not daily services, and on which 738 and 732 are used in flights to southern and eastern Africa. It seems that the 747SPs would have been retired a long time ago, especially since they dont even compare in amenities and economy offered on the other 747s and Airbus aircraft.


User currently offlineLxlgu From South Africa, joined Sep 2000, 1085 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (11 years 3 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2253 times:

The 767s will be withdrawn by December and will be replaced by 340-200s
on the West Africa and Mumbai routes
The 340-200 will start by end July also on Sao Paulo route
The 330s from BD should be out by end November
Of course all according to delivery of aircraft
Cheers!


User currently offlineNa From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10732 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (11 years 3 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2195 times:

Well, at the moment SAAs longhaul fleet is very diverse. But thats because they´re in the middle of changing types.
The 742s and the SPs will leave very soon, probably all this year still. One 742 is already permanently retired. The A342s are an interim measure for the A343s to come. The 762 as said is also a leaving family member.
So out of the list of 8 types 3 will be gone shortterm, 1 midterm.
And the 4 types left then for longhaul are not uncommon at all.


User currently offlineSAA201 From South Africa, joined May 2001, 512 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (11 years 3 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2083 times:

SAA only really has one B747SP in regular service, ZS-SPE. ZS-SPC is still airworthy and is only used as a backup/spare aircraft for ZS-SPE.

There are now only 2 B747-200's that are flying around fairly regularly, ZS-SAL and SAM. ZS-SAO was broken up last week and SAP hasn't flown since 14 Apr. SAN is going to the SAA Museum Society an has flown once or twice in the spare aircraft role since its farewell flypast at Rand Airport about 2 months ago.

The next A340-200 (SAA's 3rd) is due in the next two weeks with another due in August. This will effectively allow the B747-200s to be take a much deserved retirement. I see however that they are doing a few domestic and London services in about November. They will probably be kept on till the end of the peak tourist season, ie December/Jan. B747-300's will start to be retired from the fleet in the next few months too.

Yes, SAA's longhaul fleet is at an alltime peak at the moment, but this is just an interim pending the delivery of more Airbuses. The plan is for all the B747 "classics" to be phased out of the fleet by about Feb next year.


User currently offlineNa From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10732 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (11 years 3 months 23 hours ago) and read 1960 times:

SAA starts retiring B743s soon as well? That´s surprising as they are only little more than half-age of the 742s!

User currently offlineSwissgabe From Switzerland, joined Jan 2000, 5266 posts, RR: 32
Reply 10, posted (11 years 3 months 21 hours ago) and read 1936 times:

Well, for me there was not a "big difference" inside the 74L and the 743. I mean both planes are old, one more then the other, but still, both are old and will be replaced by modern aircrafts.


Smooth as silk - Royal Orchid Service /// Suid-Afrikaanse Lugdiens - Springbok
User currently offlineSAA201 From South Africa, joined May 2001, 512 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (11 years 3 months 11 hours ago) and read 1839 times:

The provisional phase out schedule for the B747-300's is as follows:

RETIRE ZS-SKA B747-300 16 AUG 2003 (EX-SWISS AIR)

RETIRE ZS-SKB B747-300 20 AUG 2003 (EX-SWISSAIR)

RETIRE ZS-SAT B747-300 15 OCT 2003

RETIRE ZS-SAC B747-300 DEC 2003

RETIRE ZS-SAU B747-300 DEC 2003

RETIRE ZS-SAJ B747-300 FEB 2004




User currently offlineN754pr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (11 years 3 months 5 hours ago) and read 1786 times:

Wow, I was VERY lucky to see the SP's in Bangkok then.

User currently offlineVambridge From South Africa, joined Apr 2001, 80 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (11 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1713 times:

What will be the fate of these 300's? Will some of them be sold, or are some of them already reserved for other carriers?

User currently offlineSpacepope From Vatican City, joined Dec 1999, 2930 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (11 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1696 times:

NW already has 2 ex-swissair 743s, which they used for engines and spares. Both airframes had been parked since 1998(?) and had well over 80,000 hours on them at that time. It is not inconcievable that these SAA birds will have closer to 100,000 on them, which seems to be the magic number in scrapping 747s. They may have a few hajj charters left in them if sold to another operator, but they have way too few airframe hours left for cargo conversion. As NW is trying to phase out its 742 fleet, and has already disposed of its DC-10-40s, I doubt that they would pick up any more 743s for engines, unless of course it converts some of its newest pax 742s to freighters, which it already has a dozen of.

T.J.



The last of the famous international playboys
User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 84
Reply 15, posted (11 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1633 times:

I think the word is that NW's newest 742s will definitely be converted to freighters. IndustrialPate can probably lend more guidance to the subject.

N


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