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AA 767s With 777 Interiors To HNL?  
User currently offlineKjet12 From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 976 posts, RR: 8
Posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 4620 times:

Next month I am flying to Honolulu. My LAX-HNL segment is a 767. Any chance it could be one with the new 777 styled cabin? Which aircraft (reg #) have them? Are they retrofitting the older 763s with the new style? Thanks for your help.

Kris


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User currently offlineIndustrialPate From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 4516 times:

Here’s a question for you (and I mean no disrespect): why would a company that came within hours of bankruptcy several months ago spend millions installing new interiors on its aircraft?

User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 2, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 4507 times:

Because improving customer satisfaction and engendering brand loyalty, therefore increasing revenue, is the only way to improve your bottom line.

Cost cutting alone is not enough.

N


User currently offlineIndustrialPate From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 4478 times:

Now THAT’S the funniest thing I’ve read in awhile! Spending millions installing new interiors on fairly new aircraft (that had their interiors renovated very recently) increases consumer satisfaction and engineers brand loyalty?! AA doesn’t have the funds to install the new seats on the B757 and AB6 fleet (and AA has repeatedly said those fleet types won’t receive them when they undergo conversion to LRTC), let alone install new interiors on the B763 fleet!

There’s a lot of cheaper ways to increase consumer satisfaction and engineer brand loyalty – like brining back meals to longer flights that don’t have them…


User currently offlineEmiratesA345 From Canada, joined Jun 2003, 2123 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 4452 times:

I think the best person to ask would be Kevi747, as he works on them all the time.  Laugh out loud

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User currently offlineUAL-Fan From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 374 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 4419 times:

Last week I flew from SAN to ATL on an old DL 767-300. The interior looked like HELL!

The next leg of my journey was from ATL to FLL on a brand new 767-400. What a huge difference! The '400 is an awesome machine and the new interior makes a huge difference. I can't figure out why the plane didn't manage to secure more orders. I hope to get on another in the near future.

Sort of a related subject I guess.


User currently offlineSptv From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 130 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 4294 times:

I've flown the LAX-HNL route a number of times on AA's 763s. They have the older interior, with 2 classes of service. There is an expanded first class section, seating 2x2x2 with the standard business class seat. Coach is the typical 2x3x2. Nothing special, but at least more room to move around than the 757s that AA is using a lot now on the Hawaii flights.

User currently offlineIndustrialPate From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 4284 times:

Nothing special, but at least more room to move around than the 757s that AA is using a lot now on the Hawaii flights.

Get use to them, because now that the B752 will be converted into LRTC, the B763 remaining on LAX-HNL/OGG will likely become B752...

FWIW, the B752 helped expand service into Hawaii... the B752 only replaced the B763 on SFO-HNL (which was a pre-9/11 change, although the flight didn't switch to a B752 until afterward ... AA was actually going to cancel this flight, so a B752 is better than no service). The B752 flying between SJC-HNL, LAX-HNL, LAX-OGG, LAX-LIH and LAX-KOA (acquired from TW) were either new service or added frequencies.

Also, the new B763 delivered this year have flown LAX-HNL... I don't recall them having B777 interiors, although I understand they're set-up for (but don't have) PTVs... I haven't been on one yet.


[Edited 2003-06-23 07:11:25]

User currently offlineHA_DC9 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 653 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 4250 times:

If you absolutely must fly to Hawaii in 763's with the 777 interiors, your best bet will be with HA. I believe most of their 763's have the 777 interiors.

User currently offlineIndustrialPate From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 4236 times:

If you absolutely must fly to Hawaii in 763's with the 777 interiors, your best bet will be with HA. I believe most of their 763's have the 777 interiors.

Actually, it'd be DL or CO -- both those airlines fly exclusively B764 with B777 interiors to Hawaii. HA has a few B763 with crapped out interiors from their previous operator.


User currently offlineSptv From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 130 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 4173 times:

I thought all the HA 763s were delivered new. No?

User currently offlineTriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4695 posts, RR: 42
Reply 11, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 4160 times:

Nope, some came from previous operators, among them LTU:


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User currently offlineSllevin From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 3376 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week ago) and read 4143 times:

Here’s a question for you (and I mean no disrespect): why would a company that came within hours of bankruptcy several months ago spend millions installing new interiors on its aircraft?

They aren't. Only the new deliveries (I believe specifically just the 9 aircraft they tried to defer but Boeing had completed and would not defer) have the 777 interior.

Steve


User currently offlineHawaiian717 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3195 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (11 years 4 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 4020 times:

Four HA 763s were previously operated by LTU. All others were delivered new, but not all of them have new interiors. I understand the newer ones (the 9 delivered after the four LTU aircraft), but the original 3, which were new build aircraft have standard 767 interiors. I can't confirm since I've only been on the original 3 763's (580, 581, and 582) along with one of the ex-LTU aircraft.

David / HNL


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33053 posts, RR: 71
Reply 14, posted (11 years 4 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3964 times:

American Airlines has not spent any money redesiging 767-300ER interiors. In the past few months they have taken deliveries of 767-300ERs with newer, more modern interiors which, as has been mentioned, are fitted for PTVs though lack them (like coach in DL's 764s).


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User currently offlineHa763 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 3663 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (11 years 4 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3944 times:
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I believe all new 767-200/-300's ordered since 1998 or so have been delivered with the new interiors.

HA a/c's with the new interiors would be a/c's 587-593. I believe they didn't take delivery of the last 2 a/c's because of the bankruptcy filling.

Your chances of getting on an AA 767 with the new interior for your flight to Hawaii are quite slim. They have 54 767-300's.


User currently offlineTbear815 From United States of America, joined Jun 2003, 704 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (11 years 4 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3928 times:

Customer satisfaction and engendering brand loyalty has NOTHING to do with aircraft or interiors. Regretably, the mileage game is the prize. If any airline wants to benefit from customer satisfaction and brand loyalty, let them concentrate on passenger and inflight service. Give me an old 707 or DC-8 without movies or music, but with a high level of "graciousness" (a term long forgotten) and great service and food, and you can forget 767's with 777 interiors and all the rest of the crap. Get me there in comfort and friendliness. Of course, safety is the bottom line with any travel product (cruise ship, airplane, train, you name it - we certainly have our share of problems with each). People pleasing is the most important factor - something long missing in our airlines today.

User currently offlineDelta777Jet From Germany, joined Jun 2000, 1278 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (11 years 4 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3862 times:

Those good airline days are over anyway!

And do not fly an airline which takes over several good airlines (Reno Air, TWA etc. ) and then discontinue all or many of their routes and fire their good employees.

Just don`t fly them!

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User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12119 posts, RR: 49
Reply 18, posted (11 years 4 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3858 times:
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Should it not be the AAnti - AAmerican AAirlines AAssociation! Or the 4 AA's!


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User currently offlineDelta777Jet From Germany, joined Jun 2000, 1278 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (11 years 4 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3857 times:

Yes Luv2fly.

I might rethink about the name!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

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User currently offlineTekelberry From United States of America, joined May 2003, 1459 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (11 years 4 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3850 times:

(rolling eyes @ AAAAAAAA)

I never knew AA discontinued most/all of TWA's routes... Interesting... I thought AA still had that hub over there in STL that I flew through last week. I guess they got rid of that quickly...


User currently offlineKjet12 From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 976 posts, RR: 8
Reply 21, posted (11 years 4 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3814 times:

Thanks for your help. AA was not my first choice for travel, but I had enough AAdvantage miles which is what I am using. It does not matter if I happen to get one of the new 767's or not but, it would be nice. However, on my return, I am flying the 757 and hopefully it will still have MRTC. I really would have liked to take HA or CO but a free ticket beats a $700 ticket. Again, thanks for your help!

Kris



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User currently offlineHawaiian717 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3195 posts, RR: 7
Reply 22, posted (11 years 4 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3800 times:

AA still has a decent hub at STL. If you want to see a case of them dismantiling something, take a look at what's left of Reno Air's network.

David / HNL


User currently offlineTbear815 From United States of America, joined Jun 2003, 704 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (11 years 4 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3763 times:

Look at the basics - get rid of the loyalty games (thank you, Mr. Crandall) and we would be back to something that resembles civilized transportation. No fights at gates over who gets the upgrade, no inventory control that gives 2 seats to a free ticket; I could go on. It seems that marketing is the name of the game in every industry. Wow, would I like to have owned all the trees that have been cut down for mass mailings! Give up the mileage shit, airlines - maybe then you'd make a profit.....

User currently offlineAa777flyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (11 years 4 months 3 days ago) and read 3719 times:

AA's new 767-300's N341AA-N347AA have the 777 style interior. None of the old AA767's have been changed nor will they. So it is possible you may get one.

User currently offlineTcttx From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 219 posts, RR: 0
Reply 25, posted (11 years 4 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3708 times:

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AA still has a decent hub at STL. If you want to see a case of them dismantiling something, take a look at what's left of Reno Air's network.
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Gee, it's too bad AA doesn't operate in a vacuum, but changing market conditions and economics sometimes necessitates unpopular (emotional?) business decisions.

Since AA and Reno didn't have overlapping routes, surely the reason for AA dismantling Reno wasn't to eliminate competition? Sure, AA bought Reno for the purpose of dismantling it.  Yawn


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