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The Upper Deck Of A 747 Freighter  
User currently offlineBritair From United Kingdom, joined Aug 1999, 933 posts, RR: 15
Posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 9189 times:

Hi guys and gals, this maybe a stupid question, but what is in the Upper deck of a 747 Freighter?? Is it used for cargo too? Crew rests? I am assuming there would be toilets/galleys, but especially on the 747-300 Freighter, there seems a lot of space there, what's it used for?? And is there a difference in those aircraft converted from passenger versions to those bulit purposefully as freighters??


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Thanks in advance! cheers  Smile

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User currently offlineBromma1968 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 9124 times:

When I visited the upper deck on a Cargolux 747-400F the captain told me the
seats in the upper deck are used by passengers traveling with their cargo for example horse owners. I read somewhere the 747-300Fs are somewhat more
aerodynamic than the 747-200Fs because of the longer upper deck.

Anders Nilsson


User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 2, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 9089 times:

The 747-400F doesn't have the extended upper deck, it has a 747-200 style forward fuselage... but I bet you'll also be able to find some converted pax 747-400Fs that have that extended upper deck, and therefore that extra aerodynamic benefit.

Many operators do have a crew rest lounge in the upper deck area... some also have a section for mail-type freight or lightweight stuff that's not containerized.

N


User currently offlineBruce From United States of America, joined May 1999, 5066 posts, RR: 15
Reply 3, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 9058 times:

In the one I have seen, there is crew seats (nice ones) and the lav and galley. Lots of room. The stairway is just a metal ladder usually unlike the passenger versions.


bruce



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User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 9041 times:

On KLM 743 freighters there are a couple of old business class seats, a toilet and a galley block. The aft part of the streched upperdeck is closed by a wall with a door. I don´t think it is used.

Impressive empty floor space too, no overhead bins, would me a good dance floor. However there is no inflight entertainment system on board




User currently offlineBoeing 747-311 From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 795 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 8986 times:

anyone have any pics, i know this should be in the photo request but are there any photos of these upperdecks?


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User currently offlineBritair From United Kingdom, joined Aug 1999, 933 posts, RR: 15
Reply 6, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 8964 times:

Hi Boeing747-311, I was thinking the same thing! So, after a lot of searching, the only one I could find here was the following, inside the upper deck of a Cargolux 744F....


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User currently offlineAussiestu From Australia, joined Mar 2001, 780 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 8945 times:


I understand from an inside source that Dragonair has a cabin upstairs that they use for pax movement and that they have a FA that serves here. Can anybody confirm? Does anybody know why Martinair always has a FA in uniform travelling on their cargo flights and what does he/she do? Must be a long flight alone looking after the boys up front.........suppose a good book would do if there is no IFE!


User currently offlineSAS-A321 From Denmark, joined Mar 2002, 401 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 8928 times:

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That's gotta be enough  Smile/happy/getting dizzy



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User currently offlineBritair From United Kingdom, joined Aug 1999, 933 posts, RR: 15
Reply 9, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 8881 times:

Thanks for that!! Brilliant.  Smile They are NICE!!!! Those 747 Freighter crews get it good!

User currently offlineAA61hvy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13977 posts, RR: 57
Reply 10, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 8872 times:

When I was up on a China Air 742, they had 2 rows of seats all for the captain and reserves.

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User currently offlineBritair From United Kingdom, joined Aug 1999, 933 posts, RR: 15
Reply 11, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 8865 times:

Following on from the 74F, what about other large freighters? MD11, DC10 etc?? Do they have a rest area too?

User currently offlineAA61hvy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13977 posts, RR: 57
Reply 12, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 8851 times:

I would imagine they would just behind the cockpit, (where the first class would be)
I also should mention the pilots were lounging in those seats during the pre-flight.



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User currently offlineAirbus Lover From Malaysia, joined Apr 2000, 3248 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 8617 times:

I will be uploading some of Cargolux, MASKargo and China Airlines Cargo when I have time.

User currently offline9V-SPK From Hong Kong, joined Aug 2001, 1646 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 8589 times:

Those KA freighters were actually former SQ's Big Top but converted to freighters, so not a surprise if they kept the Business Class seats upstairs!

Best Regards


User currently offlineLapper From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 1567 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 8582 times:

Interesting on the Kalitta shot, the upper deck and flight deck seem to be open plan - no door or anything.

User currently offlineNa From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10807 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 8565 times:

Interesting line-up of pictures that show a lot of difference. LH is very frugal, I´ve been on one that looked exactly like on the picture. Made me wonder why didn´t they have some old 1st class seats or at least businessclass available instead of coach? Where did these go?


Interesting also the 744F of Cargolux. Makes you wonder why there are only 3 windows on the 744F upper deck. If I´m a millionaire with horses on board I would expect a window!


User currently offlineAirmale From Botswana, joined Sep 2004, 380 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 8557 times:

Air France 742F upperdeck had Three seats, a Lavatory, small galley and two beds.


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User currently offline744rules From Belgium, joined Mar 2002, 407 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 8453 times:

The SVA MD11 have a crew rest container on postion 1L. It has 4 bunks and 2 seats, power and airco. It is the size of a AMJ-container. It weighs approx 700kg and cost +- 1 million US dollar.

If this container is not loaded, no dangerous goods can be carried on mainddeck as it is certified as fire-barrier.

SVA also has 2 seats in the courrier-space.


User currently offlineKAL_LM From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 497 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 8323 times:

On KE -400s the upstairs is very nice. 6 biz class seats with 2 crew bunks. On the only -300 it is about the same but much more room, considering it has the stretch. Our MD-11s have a half-assed fold-out crew area just behind the captain's seat (other side of bulkhead...), and 1 or two jump seats in the entry area. Not exactly plush by any means...

We use ours for people traveling with their cargo, usually horses or other large live animals. And actually, there really isn't enough room to put freight up there, and besides, trying to wrassle anything larger than a suitcase up the ladder is not fun.

regards,
Tom



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User currently offlineBoeing 747-311 From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 795 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 8307 times:

wow those seats look great thanks for the pictures guys!


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