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BA Concordes - Where Should They Go?  
User currently offlineGordonroxburgh From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2000, 550 posts, RR: 20
Posted (10 years 10 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2995 times:

Following up a month old topic that seems to have been archived:


He is the BA working list of 12 locations for their 7 (or 8) Concordes:

:: Smithsonian Institute in Washington DC

:: Science Museum in London, which could receive a nose of one of the
Concordes.

:: USS Intrepid - an aircraft carrier based on the Hudson River in New York.

:: Seattle Museum of Flight.

:: Duxford Imperial War Museum in Cambridgeshire.

:: Spitfire and Hurricane Memorial Museum in Manston, Kent.

:: Brooklands Motor Sports and Aviation Museum in Surrey.

:: Terminal 5 at Heathrow Airport.

:: Filton in Bristol.

:: Manchester Airport.

:: Yorkshire Air Museum in York.

:: Cosford Museum in Shropshire.

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User currently offlinePlanespotterx From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (10 years 10 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2987 times:

They belong in the air, where they SHOULD be, flying commercially again, and if BA werent so BIG headed, and up-themselves (like the fat possums they are) then they still would be.
PS im starting a campaign, not to fly on BA EVER again, in retaliation to their decision on Concorde, if they cant respect the British people, then why should we fly with them.
(im going to T3 at MAN tomorrow working, and to voice my protest lol)


User currently offlineEg777er From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2000, 1834 posts, RR: 14
Reply 2, posted (10 years 10 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2984 times:

I think the Museum of Flight, Seattle should be a definite. This museum, even though it's in the US, will be the "world's aviation museum". I understand they will have the prototype 747 there, what better way to illustrate the two totally different philosophies of the 1970s.

I also think the New York idea is a good one: after all, without the dedication of that city, the Concorde Story would never have been as illustrious as it is now.

Thirdly, I would really like them to find some way of suspending G-BOAC from the roof of the Terminal 5 departure lounge. I understand this building will be one of the largest enclosed spaces in the UK: and having Concorde, protected from the elements, casting a motherly eye over air travellers in 2050 would be spectacular. You certainly couldn't leave the old girl to rust on a round-a-bout: what kind of man would Eddington be to let that happen???



(Spotter: b****r off. I believe that's language you understand 'down under'. How many times do you have to be told: the decision to ground Concorde has been taken by Airbus, not BA. I suggest you go and abuse yourself over a model of Concorde in Virgin colours: that's the furthest it's going to go, a model.)

[Edited 2003-06-24 21:15:47]

User currently offlineBritair From United Kingdom, joined Aug 1999, 933 posts, RR: 16
Reply 3, posted (10 years 10 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2966 times:

Well said Eg777er! Scary to think some people actually believe Branson's hype!  Big grin  Smile

Also like the sound of your T5 suggestion!


User currently offlineLHR340 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2003, 877 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (10 years 10 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2946 times:

Yep well said Eg777er, BA is loosing money - Concorde costs far to much to maintain and fly. Its best that it is retired, there is no need to boycott the airline for retiring the Concorde! & The T5 idea sounds great!

LHR340



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User currently offlinePlanespotterx From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (10 years 10 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2943 times:

Im not FOR Branson, no more than if anyone else wanted to buy the plane, I just think its a shame its going, especially due to the fact that WE the brits paid for it, and we cant even say what we want to happen to her.
Oh well, lets just hope the A380 and 7E7 (if they ever build it) gets going really well, I like the design of the 7E7 actually, its futuristic looking, even if it does have that "classical" airliner shape to it, still, a good design by Boeing.
I hope that BA do keep one Concorde flying (just like you have spits and other WW2 aircraft), not for the sake of it, but for the memory of it.
I still think BA and AF have made the wrong decision, but who am I to say...


User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13045 posts, RR: 78
Reply 6, posted (10 years 10 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2944 times:

It won't be Brooklands, the aircraft they have already are in poor condition.
USS Intrepid is an inappropriate setting, being a military museum, as well as any Concorde being open to the elements.
Duxford and Smithsonian already have one.

Seattle is a Front runner, as is Filton, T5 is a bit far off in the future.

Planespotterx, what part of my posts on VS Concorde don't you understand? I'm an insider, your not, end of story.
Not being arrogant, just trying to bring clarity.


User currently offlineEg777er From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2000, 1834 posts, RR: 14
Reply 7, posted (10 years 10 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2929 times:

I still think BA and AF have made the wrong decision, but who am I to say...

But that's the whole point. IT WAS NOT BRITISH AIRWAYS' DECISION TO RETIRE CONCORDE. Airbus pulled the plug, not BA. I don't know how many times this can be said. Perhaps this will help:

Airbus pulled the plug, not BA.
Airbus pulled the plug, not BA.
Airbus pulled the plug, not BA.
Airbus pulled the plug, not BA.
Airbus pulled the plug, not BA.
Airbus pulled the plug, not BA.
Airbus pulled the plug, not BA.

Clear yet?


User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9601 posts, RR: 69
Reply 8, posted (10 years 10 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2926 times:
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the part of the story that these pro-Virgin/Concorde people seem to ignore is that Airbus has told Air France and British that they will no longer support the planes. If Tricky Dick really wanted to keep them flying he would be taking Airbus to task, not BA. Which can only lead one to the conclusion that he is just trying to make BA look bad in the public's eye.

User currently offlinePlanespotterx From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (10 years 10 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2917 times:

Eg777er OK it was Airbus that pulled the plug, but initially BA/AF said they were retiring it for economic purposes, then Ba changed their minds and said it was because of manufacturing purposes.
Anyway I hope she goes to Manchester (or she at least visits one more time)


User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13045 posts, RR: 78
Reply 10, posted (10 years 10 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2915 times:

He saw Airbus a month ago, they said no.
Simple really, not that they are for sale, even if they were and Airbus were positive, the CAA would have plenty to say on the matter.


User currently offlineDonder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6659 posts, RR: 22
Reply 11, posted (10 years 10 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2912 times:

Exactly Royal.Also,if RB was serious,he would have tried to acquire AF's concordes which have much lower hours.

User currently offlineEg777er From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2000, 1834 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (10 years 10 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2905 times:

but initially BA/AF said they were retiring it for economic purposes.

Yes, for economic reasons, Airbus announced they wanted to cancel the support. They've already allocated the engineering staff to other areas of the company. Perhaps BA should have made this clearer from the outset: but the if the complexities of the Airbus-AF-BA relationship are lost on Branson, then how the hell are the general public going to be able to form an informed opinion????

It is worth remembering this fact: without the insistence of BA and their commitment to the Concorde operation, it would have stopped 20 years ago. How dare anyone question the airline that has often single-handedly, continually fought for man's ability to travel at supersonic speeds on the edge of space?


User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13045 posts, RR: 78
Reply 13, posted (10 years 10 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2897 times:

BA tried to spare AF's blushes, and go easy on Airbus.
Until you know who stuck his nose in.


User currently offlineGordonroxburgh From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2000, 550 posts, RR: 20
Reply 14, posted (10 years 10 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2882 times:

What does the Airbus/AB./AF/VS argument have to do with the Museums, Lets get back on topic. Plenty of VS topics are Airliners.net

User currently offlineStretch 8 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 2566 posts, RR: 17
Reply 15, posted (10 years 10 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2875 times:

Only Gordon and GDB above really have any authority to speak on the details of the demise if Concorde.

Sadly, it is time to let go of Concorde. I got to fly on her once, and yes, it was the aviation experience of a lifetime (unless I get a ride in an F-22 someday). It is too expensive to maintain, and when AF decided to drop the service, BA had no choice. No support from Airbus means goodbye Concorde. End of story.

For the record, AF has graciously donated to the Smithsonian Air & Space Museum Annex at IAD Concorde "Fox-Alpha." Thank you, France. There, I said it. And I mean it.



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User currently offlineAdh214 From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 357 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (10 years 10 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2856 times:

I don't know if they would have the space but the Powerhouse Museum in Sydney would be an excellent location for a Concorde. It is truly one of the best museums in the world. In my opinion it is better than the Smithsonian.

Andrew


User currently offlinePetertenthije From Netherlands, joined Jul 2001, 3309 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (10 years 10 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2830 times:

LHR T5
Seattle
Dubai (first BA destination for Concorde)
Manchester
New York
Filton

Duxford and Smithsonian already have one so they should not get one. Maybe one to the military test wing for high speed testing? Something like what Boeing did with the TU-144 a few years back? Well... you can dream anyway!



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User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13045 posts, RR: 78
Reply 18, posted (10 years 10 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2803 times:

A guess, but I reckon;

Filton
Seattle
Manchester
Cosford
York

202's nose removed and restored, then to Science Museum

The two non flyer;
One could be stored at LHR until T5 is ready, likely OAB.
The other could be stored by the Science museum, if 202 is not used, then coverted for display.



User currently offlineGordonroxburgh From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2000, 550 posts, RR: 20
Reply 19, posted (10 years 10 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2796 times:

One little problem on Cosford is that the runway is too short for Concorde -1200m. That one could be an interesting road journey.

For having one looked dafter and made available to the Public, Duxford must be a favourite to show it off along with a development (prototype) aircraft will all the test gear on board. That really contrasts what it too to get there.


User currently offlineCarduelis From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2001, 1585 posts, RR: 10
Reply 20, posted (10 years 10 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2787 times:

Peter, Nethrlands

Dubai? - I thought BA's first commercial flight was to Bahrain . . .



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User currently offlineSa365c1 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2001, 131 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (10 years 10 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2786 times:

If 1 of those concordes does not end up in Scotland, namely the museum of flight at East Fortune then there had better be an inquiry

User currently offlineDa man From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 887 posts, RR: 12
Reply 22, posted (10 years 10 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2782 times:

Bahrain instead of Dubai was BA's first destination.
Also, 202's nose has already been removed and is being used for spares, the airframe is also lacking the vertical tail and Concorde landing gear.
look on concordesst.com
da man



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User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13045 posts, RR: 78
Reply 23, posted (10 years 10 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2781 times:

The way to get a Concorde is simple;
1) Is the area of the museum appropriate to the aircrafts history? (rules in UK museums by default).
2) Can the aircraft be displayed in good condition? So undercover really.
3) Has the museum the resources to look after the aircraft in the long term?

Now Seattle loses on no.1, but scores well on the other two, and they've a Comet there too which somewhat alleviates 1.
Brooklands fails totally on 2 and 3.
Filton looks great for 1, and should be OK for 2 and 3, if 202 is moved off site.
Cosford should score on 1 and 3, I've not been there so cannot comment on 2, BA will look at how AF get their one on to that roof in Germany, possibly a Concorde could land at the nearest airport to Cosford, then dissemble and do the rest by road if possible.
Despite having a Concorde, Duxford are very highly regarded by BA.
Cannot comment on the Scottish facility, if it looks good, then its got a chance.
What we really want is a decent place near New York, not the USS Intrepid, I understand that they are not favoured any more, like Brooklands.


User currently offlineEg777er From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2000, 1834 posts, RR: 14
Reply 24, posted (10 years 10 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2770 times:

Yes, Bahrain was the destination of the BA300 on 21 January 1976.

Apparently a brakes on, full thrust (+ afterburners) departure from Muharraq Airfield's Runway 30 was one of life's most exquisite pleasures........

Over the sea, so no noise abatement on departure you see........


25 Silverfox : eg777er Just on a dog in the manger note, i wouldn't send one to New York, nor, in fact to anywhere in the US, as their initial reaction to the intro
26 Eg777er : I take you point - and from the history, I know all about the anti-Concorde feeling in the US - but I honestly think that the people of the City of Ne
27 GDB : I agree with eg777er, and some 60-70% of our pax were American. But let retired Concorde Capt Dave Rowland have the last word on this, remembering the
28 Silverfox : Of course, once they saw it running, they agreed it wasnt such a big thing, but if my memory serves me correctly, the two years that it took to get it
29 Eg777er : Yes well we just have to indulge our American cousins and their affliction that goes by the medical ackronym NIHS, or Not Invented Here Syndrome......
30 Cptkrell : Now, please don't be too hard on ALL of us. Remember that the environmental wackos over here had a lot to do with the anti-SST activism, too (so much
31 GDB : Yes, though probably only a practical aircraft in the final B2707-300 tailed delta version, the loss of this project was a serious threat to Concorde,
32 BO__einG : Send em to East Bronx. In reality I think 1 concorde could go to the Aviation Museum in Ottawa, Canada. This country and britain has some close connec
33 Post contains images STT757 : I think one should be in NY, but not the Intrepid. First it's too big and second the Intrepid is geared towards military aviation. It should be at JFK
34 Silverfox : OK then.. just one (lol) What about that airfield near DTW that is a museum? Intend to go there next year when in Detroit Trouble is i cant remember i
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