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User currently onlineHUYfan From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 1407 posts, RR: 3
Posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2715 times:

Flybe. is officially the UK's 3rd largest low fares airline, beating bmibaby.

Flybe. will shortly announce the expansion of its flying activities at it's home base of Exeter, Devon in South Western England. Flybe. currently serves Belfast City, Dublin, Guernsey and Jersey from EXT and new destinations to appear on the schedule will include Alicante, Geneva, Malaga and Murcia. Flights will be operated by based BAe 146 aircraft and are expected to commence at the start of the summer 2004 season. Destinations will be added each season.

Flybe. is currently examining several UK and european airports with regard to establishing another low fares hub. Airports short listed include Norwich, Humberside, Toulouse and Lyon. An announcement wll be made before the start of 2004.

Flybe. has ruled out aquiring CRJ700/900 aircraft and has shortlisted the Embraer 170/190 family, the Boeing 717 and the Airbus A318/319 as contenders. An order will be made in the first half of 2004. All manufacturers will be demonstrating for Flybe. shortly.

The first of the new batch of Q400s will be delivered in August, to cover aircraft shortages in the short term Flybe. have leased ex-buzz 146-300 G-UKTH in full buzz colours with small Flybe. titles. The aircraft has operated some flights from Southampton which due to buzz/ryanair's abandoning of Bournemouth services had raised a few eyebrows! The first Q400 G-JEDM will be based at Birmingham and one of the older Q400s sent to Belfast BHD to assume responsibility of the Belfast BHD-Leeds/Bradford route.

Regards

Mike



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User currently offlineTZ From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2003, 1085 posts, RR: 52
Reply 1, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2575 times:
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Very interesting article Mike - thanks very much indeed.

If anybody hasn't yet tried Flybe., I can thoroughly recommend you give them a go - the service and friendliness is reminiscent of Buzz, and is head-and-shoulders above Ryanair.

Just one small point - the ex-buzz 146-300 flying with Flybe. is G-UKHP and not G-UKTH.

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User currently offlineJmc757 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2000, 1298 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2557 times:

Good for flyBe! But are they short on staff/aircraft at the moment?? Every day there are delays on their routes from BHX, sometimes like a couple of hours on just domestic routes. Not Good! This evening:

1900 Glasgow BE829 Arrived 2058
2020 Guernsey BE514 Expected 2150
2030 Belfast City BE417 Expected 0020
2035 Glasgow BE831 Expected 2106

Thats just this evening!! Not really very good, the Glasgow is probably a knock on from the earlier Glasgow, but theres also 2 other flights delayed quite a bit!!! Ok, everyone has delays, but this has been pretty consistant over the last week or so!! Good luck to BE in their expansion, and i'm glad to see they're doing well, but come on!

jmc757 Big thumbs up


User currently offlineAirX From United Kingdom, joined May 2002, 105 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2538 times:

The new base at Exeter sounds interesting. As Flybe.'s base I have always wondered why they operate few flights from there for various reasons, however, now it is very good news to see expansion. Some of the flights wouldn't be doubled up with Southampton would they? Just I was speaking to someone who worked at Flybe. Exeter and he mentioned that, not sure if it is true as I thought Southampton was doing excellent.

The new aircraft order is quite exciting, would these aircraft be to replace the BAe 146?

Just a note, the Guernsey flight on those BHX times is actually via Jersey rather than directly from Guernsey though it fails to mention it on the flight times.

Adrian.


User currently offlineGr325 From Netherlands, joined Jan 2002, 715 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2440 times:

I have to agree with jmc757. The BHX flight is always late coming in to GCI. obviously the delay will continue as it goes onwards to JER.

I have heard from a lot of people (regular travellers) that they don't want to fly BE anymore as they are not to helpful all the time. (its not the handling agent, servisair is great in gci but the main reservations office of flybe.).




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User currently offlineJmc757 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2000, 1298 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2406 times:

From this morning Arrivals:

1030 Jersey BE502 Expected 1145
1115 Isle of Man BE189 Expected 1235

I'm not having a go at BE, I like them, my parents and grandparents often fly with them, and their prices are really good. just seems a shame that this good thing theyve got going could be ruined by these delays they seem to have. Can't see that its aviance at BHX either, they're pretty good. Are they having problems with aircraft, ops or staff???

jmc757


User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12472 posts, RR: 37
Reply 6, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2364 times:

Yes, they seem to have quite a lot of reliability related delays and the Q400 (Dash8) is partly the cause of that, although 'standard' Dash8s have also been affected.

Personally, I can't wait to see the back of the 146s. With BE's partnership with AF, I'm sure they should be able to negotiate a sublease of 318/319s from the parent carrier.


User currently onlineHUYfan From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 1407 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2313 times:

WHERE DO I START! LOL!

Tamsin, nice to know you are impressed with Flybe. the company has really been trying hard this past 12 months and the positive comments regarding crew are arriving in Exeter by the truckload!
p.s sorry bout the mix up of registrations for the ex-buzz 143!

Flybe. is indeed short on both crews and aircraft at the moment. It currently has 3 leased 146s in the fleet and is struggling with late deliveries of the new Q400s, the first one was in fact due in June and will now not arrive until august.

AirX, there is currently no need or intention to combine EXT and SOU flights. Southampton is far exceeding all expectations, with most flights on the 146 going out with 80+ pax. The Q400 Jersey flights are lagging slightly, mainly because BA is a long established operator on the route and has a much more frequent schedule. SOU-BHD is doing very well, so much so that the evening rotation has been upgraded to a DH3 adding 13 extra seats and is usually full. The new larger a/c order is indeed to replace the ageing 146 fleet.

GR325, The main problem with the late BHX-JER-GCI-BHX is the shortage of groundstaff in Jersey and this leads to the a/c spending longer on the ground in Jersey than it's supposed to.

jmc757, Aviance are pretty good at Birmingham!!!! Absolutely not! although the majority of our delays at BHX are not down to Aviance, Flybe. are reviewing their contract due to shortcomings in recent times. The main problem is a shortage of aircraft and crew sickness.

Kaitak, It is very unlikely that BE will jointly purchase an Airbus fleet with AF, Flybe. and Air France are also reviewing the way they work together as Flybe. re brands itself as a low fares airline, moving away from AF's full service reputation. The Q8 classics are doing very well for reliability at the moment too.

I must say i have had my opinion changed totally where the Q400 is concerned. I used to view it as a dead end, now after having considerable experience on the a/c i have to say from a passenger's point of view, it is excellent, and reliability is improving all the time.

Regards

Mike



User currently offlineAirX From United Kingdom, joined May 2002, 105 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2257 times:

To be fair, Flybe. is stretched to their limit at Jersey on a Saturday. The delays some airlines, not just Flybe., experience on a frequent basis at the weekend is extraordinary due to various reasons. Were Jersey and Guernsey not quite high on the list of the worst airport delays last year?

Adrian.


User currently offlineAAMD11 From UK - Wales, joined Nov 2001, 1059 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2246 times:

What do you think is the most likely aircraft choice is?
Anyone want to hazard a guess?

That's a strange list of aircraft,
the 170s and 190s at the smaller end of the range, the 717, which i think would work quite well on BE's routes, the similarly sized (but heavier) A318.... do they need the A318s range? If not, it would be a strange choice over the 717.
Then the A319 at the top end of the range, that's quite a leap in capacity isnt it?

What do you think?

A^A MD-11
Oh, forgot to add: Congrats to BE, exciting news!!

[Edited 2003-06-28 22:34:09]

User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19230 posts, RR: 52
Reply 10, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2198 times:

Very good news for EXTBig grin I live an hour from the airport (I live in North Devon when not at uni), so will pay a visit or two.


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User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2204 times:

Jersey...errrrr.....British....errrrr......FlyBE at it again! For the first time in a long time they actually have a PRETTY coherant strategy, complete with semi-sensical marketing and once more this company proves how being too dynamic is a bad thing.

Why is FlyBE looking to expand when its current operations are lacking? There are delays, there's not enough marketing and to be honest, they seem to be all over the place.

On the plus side, at least the latest news isn't about changing their name (again) or about becoming an "upmarket lowfares" airline. On the downside comes a list of aircraft that would make Air France laugh.

Obviously FlyBE have learnt from the CRJ-200 fiasco and opted to ignore it, and the larger varients all together. However, they've been trying to reduce their fleet to one single type, the Dash 8. This shows once again that the FlyBE business plan is altered almost daily. As soon as the company announces it only wants the Dash 8 in the fleet, it announces it wants larger aircraft!

The EMB170/190 MIGHT work, who knows? They could certainly end up with the same problems that dogged their CRJ-200s. I can't think of many (any?) current routes that would suit the larger Embraers.

The 717 and the A318/A319 are also options? Jesus! A huge capacity jump that quite frankly, is not needed! With the larger aircraft is it planning on operating hubs? Or continuing to do the haphasard leftover Jersey European routes from the 80s? They fly from Leeds Bradford to Belfast. No where else...just Belfast. WHY? Why not fly to Southampton? Exeter? Birmingham?

Why not become a true airline? FlyBE needs to sort out what it wants to be and what it wants to become. The airline is still living in the past - it hasn't gotten over the fact that it doesn't use F27s anymore, and that the market is very different. Simply slapping on a whacky livery and calling themselves low-cost doesn't cut it.

The airline itself COULD be good. There are countless of domestic routes in the UK that could be exploited. The way things are going though, in 2 years the airline will be back operating Dash 8s, desperatly trying to cope with the market at the time.


User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19230 posts, RR: 52
Reply 12, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2186 times:

I've only flown BE once (as British European, not FlyBE) routing EXT-JER-EXT. The outbound sector was aboard the DH3; the inbound was aboard the 146 (-200 or -300). Both flights, although short (30-40 minutes), were good.


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User currently onlineHUYfan From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 1407 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2140 times:

I have to say, yet again 777236ER you are so uninformed it's untrue!!!

Flybe. is looking to expand because a) it has 17 new Q400s on order, it will expand in accordance to aircraft deliveries. It has been spurred on by the HUGE success of it's Southampton operations.

Not enough marketing!!! Do you read the UK papers? Flybe. is constantly advertising in many major dailies! Yeah, their marketing must be SO bad that they are filling almost every SOU flight! hmmmm

Flybe. has NEVER professed to aiming for an all Q400 fleet! An aircraft list to make AF laugh! The 146 has operated on the AF routes since the franchise began, and it will not leave the fleet until a suitable replacement has been found. An almost daily changing business plan! pure ignorance on your part!

You can't think of any routes that would suit the ERJ170/190! What about SOU-ALC/AGP/MJV/IBZ/BCN/NCE/BGY/EGC/GVA/DUB/TLS BHX-BGY/TLS BHD-LGW??????? HELLO!!!!!!

May i also say that Flybe's largest a/c the 146-300 has 110 seats, a jump to a 126 seat 717 or A318 is not HUGE!!!! and quite frankly, a good share of the routes could do with increased capacity. Do you get hold of the daily pax loads or somethig, because if you did, you would see this!

Belfast BHD is a major Flybe. hub, therefore the emphasis is on connecting BHD with as many UK regional airports as possible. Haphazard routes????

Why not fly from LBA to SOU, EXT or BHX. You really must be stupid! LBA-SOU is already flown successfully by Eastern and if the smallest a/c in the flybe. fleet in the future is going to be the Q400, even if every seat was free, LBA-EXT or LBA-BHX would'nt work! Who the F**K wants to go from LBA to BHX by air when the road journey is 100% motorway and takes approx 90mins????????

And to finish may i say that the pax appeal of the Q400 is excellent!!! The fleet will NEVER consisit of just Q400s, and it has never been said that it will!

May i apologise if the above sounds a tad sharp, but please get your facts right before slagging off!

Regards

Mike


User currently offlineCapital146 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2003, 2125 posts, RR: 43
Reply 14, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2116 times:

HUYfan, I agree with you that BHX or EXT from Leeds-Bradford would never work if the smallest aircraft in the Flybe fleet was a Q400 (even though EXT is crying out for more regional links).
However, there are still a huge proportion of travellers who still use MAN when Leeds-Bradford is their local airport, due to high fares/lack of competition.
Whilst bmi provide invaluable links from Lds/Bfd they seem complacent on some routes due to non-existant competition.
bmi is the only airline to offer Leeds/Bradford-London links. Why can't Flybe offer a Q400 to LGW in competition? The only reason BA CitiExpress pulled off the route was due to a restructure.
Also bmi fill their aircraft to EDI and GLA whilst charging ridiculous fares (especially on the early morning and evening flights). Yet across the Pennines at MAN the fares from bmi to the same destinations are much lower. Why? Because they have competition from BA.
Why not throw in a summer services to GCI at the weekends as there are a great many people who are sick and tired of travelling along the M62 to MAN (otherwise known as the motorway from hell) for the GR flights.
These are all destinations which Flybe regularly flies to so there is no hassle with operating to a destination that they don't already serve.
Whilst Jet2 seem to be filling a gap from Leeds-Bradford to mainland Europe, there is still much scope for development on the domestic routes and that is where Flybe could easily step in.



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User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2103 times:

Flybe. is looking to expand because a) it has 17 new Q400s on order, it will expand in accordance to aircraft deliveries. It has been spurred on by the HUGE success of it's Southampton operations

So why the different aircraft type? I don't get it, you have loads of Q400s on order but already you want bigger aircraft?

Not enough marketing!!! Do you read the UK papers? Flybe. is constantly advertising in many major dailies!

Advertising WHAT? They advertise prices, hinting that they're a low-cost carrier, while on the opposite page easyJEt and Ryanair show prices that are a lot cheaper. The public hasn't a clue what FlyBE is all about.

An aircraft list to make AF laugh! The 146 has operated on the AF routes since the franchise began, and it will not leave the fleet until a suitable replacement has been found.

I didn't mean the aircraft used on the franchise routes, I'm talking about FlyBE's rather haphasard way of chosing or looking at aircraft.

pure ignorance on your part!

No, not really. The airline changed its name three times, its livery four times, and changed its marketing strategy more times than I've had hot dinners.

What about SOU-ALC/AGP/MJV/IBZ/BCN/NCE/BGY/EGC/GVA/DUB/TLS BHX-BGY/TLS BHD-LGW??????? HELLO!!!!!!

What about all the London City routes????????? HELLO!!!!!!!!!! Oh...wait.

May i also say that Flybe's largest a/c the 146-300 has 110 seats, a jump to a 126 seat 717 or A318 is not HUGE!!!!

No, but the changes in infrastructure required make it a pretty drastic step. Remember when you introduced the CRJ-200? You rushed into that and look what happened.

Belfast BHD is a major Flybe. hub, therefore the emphasis is on connecting BHD with as many UK regional airports as possible. Haphazard routes????

BHD? But you said Southampton! Despite the "hub" at BHD, there's still many routes that don't go near it.

You really must be stupid! BA / EGNM), United Kingdom">LBA-SOU is already flown successfully by Eastern and if the smallest a/c in the flybe.

BA / EGNM), United Kingdom">LBA-SOU was flown by BA until they pulled out. Why didn't FlyBE take over the route? Why let a small carrier that potentially could be as large as FlyBE soon, take over the route? Especially given that SOU ops seem so so good?

Who the F**K wants to go from BA / EGNM), United Kingdom">LBA to BHX by air when the road journey is 100% motorway and takes approx 90mins????????

Is this what passes as market research as FlyBE?

Who the fuck would want to fly from BA / EGNM), United Kingdom">LBA to LCY? FlyBE tried it!

And to finish may i say that the pax appeal of the Q400 is excellent!!!

If they've not broken down.


User currently offlineAirX From United Kingdom, joined May 2002, 105 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2095 times:

Flybe. used to operate LBA-GCI for the summer season up until last year I believe.

Adrian.


User currently onlineHUYfan From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 1407 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2005 times:

In reply  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

I have to say that i agree on the BA / EGNM), United Kingdom">LBA-LGW front. I wish Flybe. would start the route with a DH8200 or 300, build up the market, then when the time comes, upgrade to a Q400> i believe this could be successful, but there is also the issue of Gatwick slots. Guernsey on the weekend would be nice, but high a/c utilisation on saturdays prevents an aircraft being available.

There are diffenernt a/c types in the fleet to create flexibility and the ability to cater appropriately for demand. Flybe. is lookig for larger a/c than the Q400 beacuse you can't replce a 110 seat 146 on a full route such as SOU-AGP with a 78 seat Q400. The company wants bigger a/c because the 146s are now quite old and need replacing.

Market research and sales success shows that the public certainly know what Flybe. is all about. And as for Ryanair advertising cheaper flights, this is totally untrue, absolutely untrue.

Oh yes and AF are SO unimpressed with the Q400s that they are going to end the contract! NOT QUITE, IN FACT AF have agreed to let us use the Q400s on the saturday BHX-CDG flights, so again, talking about something you know nothing about.

Flybe. may have changed a lot in the past to become what it is today, but if it hadnt it would'nt even exist today.

What do you mean about LCY routes??? the Q400 is QUITE ample for the LCY-IOM and LCY-JER routes, LCY bears NO relation to the larger a/c at all, totally uninformed!

I have explained in the past about the CRJs so i wont dwell on the subject, it was a mistake and the situation has been rectified. And what do you suggest, the company keeps flying the 146 for ever!?!? Of course a replacement is needed in the next 3-5 years, i dont understand where you are coming from on that one :-S

Flybe. has several hubs and SOU and BHD are just two of them along with BHX and the channel islands. Practically ALL Flybe's domestic destinations are connected to BHD, Flybe. CANNOT fly internationally from BHD because it does not accept international flights.

Flybe did not enter the BA / EGNM), United Kingdom">LBA-SOU route because T3 took it over the day BA dropped it! And you talk bull about a/c increases, a jump from a 29 seater to a 78 seater would be ridiculous and whats to say that pax will favour Flybe over eastern anyway??? There simply ISNT a large enough market for two carriers on the BA / EGNM), United Kingdom">LBA-SOU route.

When such a stupid argument like BA / EGNM), United Kingdom">LBA-BHX is put accross, that is MY opinion and not neccessarily the opinion of Flybe. but its common sense to anyone who KNOWS the UK airline industry.

BA / EGNM), United Kingdom">LBA-LCY did well, it was the two midday flights that fell short. Admittedly there was a lack of advertising for the route.

The Q400s reliability has been a constant 98% for the last 3 months!!!

JESUS you really like top shoot 'em down dont you!

regards

Mike



User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1991 times:

What do you mean about LCY routes??? the Q400 is QUITE ample for the LCY-IOM and LCY-JER routes, LCY bears NO relation to the larger a/c at all, totally uninformed!

No, but LCY shows how the FlyBE business plan is changed almost weekly. Routes were opened up from LCY, with hopes of it becoming a hub, then closed within 6 months.

This isn't about individual routes, or about the need for expansion. It's about FlyBE actually sticking to a business plan, and growing naturally with loyal customers, not jumping about from strategy to strategy.


User currently offlineCapital146 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2003, 2125 posts, RR: 43
Reply 19, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 1982 times:

I get the impression that HUYfan and 777236ER have such strong differing opinions on Flybe that you may have to agree to disagree!

In addition to my previous (unbiased!) comments, I think Flybe may have trouble finding an ideal 146 replacement. The 717 and A318 would be about the right size in terms of the number of seats, but what about the limited runway lengths at LCY/IOM/GCI. Would either of these types be able to operate viably into these airports, if at all? I would have thought that for LCY in particular, the need for the new jet type to be able to operate to this airport would be a major requirement.

A solution would be to operate only the Q400's to the restricted airports. However, if this type eventually becomes the smallest aircraft in the fleet then it would almost certainly mean many of the thinner routes being axed.

I realise that Flybe need to adapt to the market conditions and by reducing the number of types they operate will help achieve this. I'm still wondering though where all the new Q400's will be flying to once all the thin routes (currently served by DH8-200's and some -300 and CRJ routes) have gone? EXT is mentioned as receiving new destinations and presumably these will be to the usual European/Med destinations operated in the main by 146's, but in a couple of years time won't they face having BHD,DUB,JER,GCI dropped if the smallest type is a Q400?

I think in 3-4 years time we will see Flybe more as hub operator and operating from fewer UK airports, concentrating on European destinations and retaining only their trunk UK routes (ie from London, BHD, SOU, BHX-Scotland).



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User currently offlineGr325 From Netherlands, joined Jan 2002, 715 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1932 times:

To replyto Capital146.

I don't think it wil work when Flybe start a weekend service from MAN during the summer. Why? Because GR is allready operating a 146 twice a day (I think) to MAN. besides that the SF340 will also operate 1 or to flights.




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User currently onlineHUYfan From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 1407 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1937 times:

It has ALWAYS been in the flybe. business plan that a larger a/c is needed to replace the 146s.

Flybe. has been sticking to it's business plan since the new name was introduced.

I would like to emphasise AGAIN that had Flybe. not been as flexible as it has been, it would'nt be flying today!

The UK airline scene has changed beyond recognition in the last 5 years and airlines have had to change with it, you dont seem to understand that it's not an easy thing being what it was (business carrier) in a marketplace where low fares now rule supreme. BA has shown that ignoring the low fares airlines doesnt work, if Flybe. was still Jersey European serving hot meals on every flight with ridiculously high fares, it just would'nt succeed.

The 717 and 318 would not be needed for ANY LCY or IOM routes and they are both capable of using GCI year round.

In relation to the thinner routes being axed, this may occurr but one of the aims at the moment is to build up traffic on the thin routes whilst the Q200/300s are still around, in time to warrant an upgrade to a Q400. The ONLY route that runs considerably below on pax loads is JER-LCY, however, the higher ticket prices warrant the service. LCY-IOM performs very well. EVERY other route suitable could easily support the Q400, in many cases the Q400 would actually increase viability of the route.

In relation to the 'thinner' routes, BHD-NCL/BLK/BA / EGNM), United Kingdom">LBA/BRS/SOU could all support the Q40o easily. Dublin routes to EXT and SOU no prob at all, the SOU is flown with 97 142s and is always busy. Jer and Gci routes such as EXT and SOU, again could support and in the summer the EXT/SOU-GCI/JER routes actually NEED a Q400 for the extra seats. Is it a view that EXT routes are quiet? Im not sure why that is thought, they are always packed  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

777236ER,

"This isn't about individual routes, or about the need for expansion. It's about FlyBE actually sticking to a business plan, and growing naturally with loyal customers, not jumping about from strategy to strategy"

This totally contradicts your previous posts about issues such as expanding at BA / EGNM), United Kingdom">LBA and changing the marketing of the airline. I will agree to disagree on the whole issue, but i do wish you wouldnt slag off something you obviously know very little about.

Regards

Mike



User currently onlineHUYfan From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 1407 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1921 times:

Who mentioned Manchester?

The only service from MAN to the channel islands by Flybe. is a Saturday JER-MAN charter on the 143.

Regards

Mike


User currently offlineDavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7379 posts, RR: 13
Reply 23, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1917 times:
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GR will possibly be using 146s at the weekend to MAN; Mon-Fri it 2 or 3 times per day with the Sf340s.

There used to be a daily service by British European in the 1990s from MAN to JER but they moved it to BHX.

David


User currently offlineFlying-Tiger From Germany, joined Aug 1999, 4161 posts, RR: 36
Reply 24, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1903 times:

HUVFan, at least in the past the BAe 146 replacement decission had been described as an open process with the CRJ700/900, Embraer 170/195, B717-200, A318/319 and formerly FD728/928 being considered. The CRJs are a bit smaller, the Embraers and FDs are about eqaul-sized and the Airbus/Boeings are quite a bit larger.

Now saying that larger aircraft have always been part of the business plan sounds a bit strange, given the previous rumours and reports about FlyBe´s fleet strategy (which is a mess IMO). Here is a snip of an older article:



"British European studies 70 and 90 seats after RJX buy

UK regional airline British European is turning its attention to 70-90 seat regional jets, following its long expected deal with BAE Systems for up to 20 Avro RJXs.



"We have the flexibility that by 2006 we could have a fleet of 37 BAe 146s and RJXs, or 12 RJXs and another 70-90 seater type," says British European chief executive Barry Perrott. He adds that the airline may also have a longer term need for a larger aircraft in the Airbus A320/Boeing 737 category.

"We had considered taking some of the Avros as the RJX-85, but when we looked at the economics and pricing it didn't make sense to go for the smaller aircraft. This creates room underneath for 70-90 seat types such as the CRJ700 and CRJ900," says Perrott. A decision is unlikely before next year. "



I suppose this clearly shows that larger planes weren´t part of the business plan at that time, only a possibility at the horizon.

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25 Shamrock105 : Will FlyBE restart Dublin - London City Services as a result of the withdrawl of EI from that route at the end of October.
26 LGW : Well I have personally been very impressed at the Flybe rebranding. The airline seemed to go through an odd phase when it adopted British European nam
27 AirX : I would find it likely that the LCY-DUB route would become BA Citiexpress. In reply to the MAN-GCI flights, Aurigny will operate a 3x return every Sat
28 Gr325 : Ah I remember the days that the old ATP came into guernsey. Good crews on those things. No offence but I checked the teletekst just before and FLYBE i
29 HUYfan : Flybe. will not launch LCY-DUB flights. Thanks for the positive feedback LGW, both of your flights will be on the 146-200. Regards Mike
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