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We Need Some Competition Here......  
User currently offlineCapital146 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2003, 2125 posts, RR: 43
Posted (11 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2639 times:

We all know of at least one route from an airport which is served by only one carrier and you know full well they are taking us, the customer, for a ride by filling their aircraft whilst charging inflated fares due to there being no competition from another carrier.

Which routes do you know where the travelling public would benefit from some competition?

Which carrier would you choose to offer the competition and show that we, the travelling public, refuse to be taken as mugs??


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User currently offlineCanyonBlue From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (11 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2625 times:

In ROC the only service to BOS is USAir Express. Walk up fare is something like 300-400 USD. I would love to see us (jetBlue) fly to BOS. (Not bloody likely!), but would settle for an AirTran 717 3-4 times daily. Drop the fares to 39-49 USD 21 day advance purchase with walk up at about 120 USD and I'd be a happy man.

User currently offlinePicarus From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 300 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (11 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2593 times:

Hmmm....how about any route from DEN.

User currently offlineChepos From Puerto Rico, joined Dec 2000, 6235 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (11 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2577 times:

San Juan- Miami currently operated only by AA, PAN AM was palnning to start a MIA-SJU flight but it never happened and ATA dropped the route a couple of months ago.
Chepos



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User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12150 posts, RR: 49
Reply 4, posted (11 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2555 times:

How about DTW to MSP! Slew of daily flights all on NWA and you pay through the nose for this.


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User currently offlineFlyCMH From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 2293 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (11 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2531 times:

CMH-ATL with Delta.

Walk up fare between the two cities is over $1,300. Advance purchase fare is usually around $300. Yet they continue to have a load factor of over 80% flying 3 757-200s and 2 MD-88s on the route daily.

An hour and a half away in Dayton where AirTran provides competition on the DAY-ATL route, walk up fare is around $350 on both Delta and AirTran thanks to the latter's low cost model.


User currently offlineTxAgKuwait From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 1803 posts, RR: 42
Reply 6, posted (11 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 2481 times:

One of my favorite horrible routes is Nashville to Atlanta.

It's roughly 250 miles.

The flight is about an hour in length.

This makes it roughly the equivalent of Dallas to Houston.

The walk up fare, one way, between Dallas and Houston is $91. Tax, title, and license for a round trip, then, is roughly $200.

Round trip between Nashville and Atlanta is $911.50.

$455.75 each way for a 250 mile flight. That's almost $2 a mile.

Does that not strike anyone else as....excessive?


User currently offlineJjbiv From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1226 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (11 years 5 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 2452 times:

Why didn't SJU-MIA work for ATA? I never heard a reason for dropping it and from what I have heard, the route should have performed really well. Some people in the Hispanic community down there really seem to feel betrayed by ATA when the route was dropped.

joe


User currently offlineCaetravlr From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 910 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (11 years 5 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 2422 times:

I can't think of anything here in CAE that is served by more than one carrier. However, since most of the flights out of here are directly to hubs of various carriers, I think the fact that people have so many options for connecting to their final destinations offers some little bit of competition out of here.


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User currently offlineWmupilot From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 1473 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (11 years 5 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2385 times:

Three airlines serve GRR-Chicago. Walk-up fare on 2 is $265 fare on the other is $100. So competition doesn't always lower fare. Look at TZ out of PIE. They are the only airline with regularly scheduled service to many destinations (besides Sun Country) and their (TZ) fares are low.


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User currently offlineHlywdCatft From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5321 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (11 years 5 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2379 times:

DTW-MEM is served by just two airlines... and only one can you fly on.

Northwest and Fed Ex. Take a guess


User currently offlineUsairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3473 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (11 years 5 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2369 times:

Here in PHL...PHL-PIT and PHL-CLT is dominated by US...although that's purely because they are all US hubs. US has dominated PHL-MCO with 8 daily flights, however FL has stepped service in PHL over time and now has 3 daily PHL-MCO. I wish Song would start PHL-MCO service. seems like most other Northeast cities have DLX/Song flights to florida.

User currently offlineKimmykun From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 445 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (11 years 5 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 2331 times:

MAZ is currently only served by American Eagle flying the MAZ-SJU route. $264.00 r/t for 76 miles...

[Edited 2003-06-28 05:34:31]

User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29836 posts, RR: 58
Reply 13, posted (11 years 5 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 2306 times:

Anchorage-Seattle.

Dominated by AS.

And AS does most of the flights for the other carriers as codeshares.



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User currently offlineIMissPiedmont From United States of America, joined May 2001, 6340 posts, RR: 33
Reply 14, posted (11 years 5 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 2298 times:

I question anyone paying $900.00+ plus dollars for a RT flight that, in today's world, takes as much time as driving. Which leads me to this point, TxAgKuwait, The 80% load factor includes those who are paying less to fly a roundtrip from BNA to BDA. I'd be willing to bet that the O&D figures between ATL and BNA are very low.

Anywho, I will not fly on any route under 1000 miles unless my company will not pay me to take 3 days as opposed to 1. I love driving and, in todays world, hate flying. Under 250 miles is no problem, my truck will beat any time vs any airline in real terms.



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User currently offlineARGinMIA From Argentina, joined Nov 2001, 487 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (11 years 5 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2226 times:

MIA-MCO.. the clear example that competition doesn't allways make the prices go down.. the cheapest you can get it is $225- and walk-up can go up to $550


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User currently offlineTZSFO From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 203 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (11 years 5 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2192 times:
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Any Southeast Alaska route to SEA.......AS has this market locked up and in a strangle hold.....one way fares running in the 400 dollar range....the current lowest RT between KTN-SEA is 383.40 for a 600 mile flight. SFO-SEA is the exact same distance....lowest RT 108.00.....shheeeesh..

I know it's a pipe dream....but I would love to see a LCC with a SEA-KTN-JNU RT flight.....that would be awesome......aahhhhh the dream....

TZ



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User currently offlineIMissPiedmont From United States of America, joined May 2001, 6340 posts, RR: 33
Reply 17, posted (11 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2101 times:

OK, the above is one that I would pay to fly. The drive time is.....well it can't be done. As I will not ever get on a boat for any reason (they sink), I'd happily pay the $700.00 fare. If, that is, I had any reason to go to Juneau or Ketchikan.

I think I'm safe in that respect though. I can go to Ajo, AZ if I want to see women with beards.



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User currently offlineSyncmaster From United States of America, joined Jul 2002, 2039 posts, RR: 10
Reply 18, posted (11 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2016 times:
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Anything out of AZO (Kalamazoo, MI) is trerribly expensive, go 50 miles south to SBN (South Bend, IN) and most prices are $150-$200 cheaper.

User currently offlineIndustrialPate From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (11 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 1994 times:

DTW-BOS = ~$300 discounted; DTW-LAX = ~$250 disconunted... hmm.

User currently offlineDCA-ROCguy From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 4528 posts, RR: 34
Reply 20, posted (11 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1924 times:

In ROC the only service to BOS is USAir Express. Walk up fare is something like 300-400 USD. I would love to see us (jetBlue) fly to BOS. (Not bloody likely!), but would settle for an AirTran 717 3-4 times daily. Drop the fares to 39-49 USD 21 day advance purchase with walk up at about 120 USD and I'd be a happy man.

Amen, CanyonBlue. ROC-BOS and BUF-BOS have been underserved for years...remember how USAir used to fly 722's and DC-9's on these routes in the '80s? Now these routes won't support anything bigger than RJ's at network-carrier high fares because it's a short route. It doesn't make sense for US to fly bigger a/c at their current cost structure.

AirTran is the ideal candidate, I think, because its planes are smaller than JetBlue's and they could offer more frequency. And unlike WN they go into Logan; this is a short enough route that PVD or MHT aren't practical. AirTran would probably want to start ROC-BOS at two dailies like they did with ROC-BWI and see what the route can support from there.

Also, Upstate NY-Chicago is becoming underserved. Chances are good, I think, that UA will follow AA's lead in the next year and downgrade these historically mainline-capable routes to RJ's. Southwest is the ideal candidate to fill in because of its big MDW hub. But ATA's MDW hub network is getting big enough that they might be able to do it with 738's.

I wouldn't be surprised if Terry Slaybaugh and Jack Doyle are pushing AirTran for a Boston route right now. They've really been on top of chasing new air service. Considering the economy, have gotten very good results so far. And AirTran and JetBlue's big success at ROC is a good sign.

Jim



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User currently offlineTango-Bravo From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3806 posts, RR: 29
Reply 21, posted (11 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1818 times:

While I'm sure DEN could stand more competition, I see the DEN market (at least where F9 flies) as a rare example of rational fares. Sure, you will rarely if ever see $99.00 (each way based on roundtrip purchase) fire sale fares, but neither will you find the type of fare gouging found in markets where the would-be-if-they-could-be cartel airlines offer loss-leader fares in hopes of unconscionably fleecing a few business travelers to make up the difference.

Walk up fares are very much within reason. DEN-PHX, for example, can be purchased on full to slightly overbooked (less than authorized overbook) flights for $171.50-191.50 one-way, including all taxes, for same-day travel. While it is possible to pay considerably more (at least on UA), it would only happen when there is an acute liklihood that the airline would be paying denied boarding compensation.

Yes, somehat lower fares can be had in the DEN-PHX market with the typical advance purchase, etc., but the spread between lowest and highest is not the absurd ratio found in many other markets. Bottom line? It works out IMHO that DEN represents a "novel" concept in airline pricing: pax actually pay their "fair share." The "giveaway and then gouge" pricing model that has put the would-be cartel airlines in peril is largely non-existent in the DEN market when compared to others -- at least in markets where F9 is in the picture.


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