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So There Is No Door Opening Laws For F/As!  
User currently offlineFlyboy80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1875 posts, RR: 3
Posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3237 times:

Hey, just got back from my recent trip to Phoenix, As most of you know, it has been baffling to me for some time if F/As were permitted to open aircraft doors why the aircraft is on the ramp, while it is not deplaning/boarding (obviously, as small children etc... Could fall out!) and there is no Gate outside the door (which why gate agents open them I don't know, couldn't they be severely hurt if the cabin was pressurized?) but anyways, while In PHX I saw a WN 733 at the gate and I was watching it for some time. After everyone deboarded, the F/A opened 1R and held it half way open as she talked to someone on the ramp, and then the catering truck "raised" up and she just pushed it the rest of the way open just before he was going to move the catering truck slightly up and forward. Prior to this, I noticed that those little cracks on the bottom and top of the 737 doors were pointing in, which means the door must have been "cracked" (it was still completely in it's socket, so I don't know if that follows the entire "cracked" definition)the door, insuring safety for someone that might open it from the outside. But the point is, F/As open these doors a lot while there is no platform of any kind outside of the door, so there must be no law that says "opening of cabin doors is prohibited while the aircraft is parked at the gate." THey should be able to open them anyways! They're Flight Attendants!!!!!!

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User currently offlineErfly From United States of America, joined Aug 2002, 164 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3183 times:

They're is no law that prohibits us from opening doors. On most of our aircraft, we have integrated airstairs (meaning we carry our stairs with us). In order to deploy the stairs, we must make sure that the area is clear below the forward door. To do this, we do have to open the door about halfway. Once we ensure that no one is underneath, we lower the stairs. It takes about 30 seconds to a minute until they're fully locked into place. All of this time, the door is slightly open. Of course, the flight attendant is standing in front of the opening, watching the stairs as they deploy.

The same is true in reverse. As the stairs are retracting into the aircraft, the door is open. The door remains open until the stairs are fully retracted and the "STAIRS OPERATING" light is extinguished.

Hope this helps.


User currently offlineFlyer732 From Namibia, joined Nov 1999, 1359 posts, RR: 22
Reply 2, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3127 times:

On our 717s the 1R door is opened about the time the 1L door is opened, and it is not closed until catering is off. Which in some cases could be well after boarding has started.

User currently offlineCharliecossie From Germany, joined Oct 2001, 479 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3111 times:

I have direct knowledge of BA procedures on this subject.
No door may be opened (and then left open) unless steps or some other suitable platform is positioned at the door.
All doors MUST be opened from the inside when personnel (crew/pax) are on board. Engineering may open them from the outside for maintenance purposes. Trained staff may open them from the outside when the a/c is empty.
On the 737, 757 and some Airbussies the escape slide blocks access to the galley waste bin. In these cases, cleaners must make every effort to empty the bins when catering trucks are present.
[Maintenance]A door must never be left open without a platform or barrier net in place. A barrier strap in not acceptable as Boeing specifically state in the Maintenance Manual that a barrier strap will not support the weight of a person.
Does this clear things up a bit?



User currently offlineAirmale From Botswana, joined Sep 2004, 375 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3085 times:

A 12 year old girl fell of from a KLM 747 at Karachi in the late 80's because of this reason, she ended up with broken legs.


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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29690 posts, RR: 59
Reply 5, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3063 times:

On the 737-200 combi, there is a handle on the outside of the cargo door that must be manually pulled before you can open it.

If you don't have an airstair on the door (quite common) you open the 1L door and then with one hand on the aircraft, swing out and reach over for the handle.

For somebody who is afraid of heights....like me....it can be pretty spooky to do this at night.

Anyway, here are the best two shots of the door handle open that I could find real quick.


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And like I said, the only way to get at it is open the door, if you don't have an airstair up to the aircraft.


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User currently offlineGoingboeing From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4875 posts, RR: 17
Reply 6, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3015 times:

I was on a Southwest flight at MDW during the summer and the FA opened the rear exit door to allow some airflow thru the cabin while we boarded.

User currently offlineArtsyman From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4745 posts, RR: 35
Reply 7, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3001 times:

At Continental, the flight attendants are not to open the doors. Agents open the doors once given the thumbs up letting them know that it is clear for them to do so. Obviously if it is an evac etc, then they can open the doors, but otherwise....nope

User currently offlineFlyboy80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1875 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2916 times:

Artsyman, Not even if theres no pax on board?

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