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ANA Orders 45 Boeing Jets  
User currently offlineAlexchao From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 688 posts, RR: 0
Posted (11 years 3 months 6 days ago) and read 4392 times:

URL: http://biz.yahoo.com/djus/030630/0015000010_2.html


TOKYO -(Dow Jones)- All Nippon Airways Co. (J.ANA or 9202) said Monday it has placed an order with Boeing Co. (NYSE:BA - News) for 45 small-sized jets.

All Nippon Airways, or ANA, said the order is for the single-aisle, 142-seat B737-700 aircraft, with delivery starting in December 2005.

The move is in line with ANA's aircraft purchase plan announced in early April. The company said it selected the B737-series jets for replacing its small aircraft from 2005.

ANA will discontinue use of its B737-400, B737-500 and Airbus-made A320 jets, and begin use of B737-700 and B737 next-generation models from the fiscal year starting April 2005. The company expects to post annual savings of around Y6 billion by using the B737-700 and newer models. Boeing will deliver seven jets annually.

ANA currently operates twenty-six A320s, twenty-five B737-500s and two B737- 400s. Japanese carriers have been using far more Boeing jets than Airbus aircraft, even though Airbus has stepped up its marketing efforts in Japan.

-By Kazuhiro Shimamura, Dow Jones Newswires; 813-5255-2929; kazuhiro.shimamura@dowjones.com

-Edited by John Gibson


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User currently offlineJAL777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (11 years 3 months 6 days ago) and read 4360 times:

Congratulations to both Boeing and All Nippon.

Soon... there will not be a single Airbus registered in Japan.


User currently offline9V-SVE From Singapore, joined Nov 2001, 2066 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (11 years 3 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4319 times:

A badly needed boost for Boeing!

User currently offlineVirginFlyer From New Zealand, joined Sep 2000, 4575 posts, RR: 41
Reply 3, posted (11 years 3 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4317 times:

Boeing must be happy to net a decent order like this. This more than doubles the net size of their order book to 87 aircraft for the year, 82 (or 94%) of which are 737s.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Airbus working hard to get an order in Japan - I doubt very much we will see there being not a single Airbus registered there.

V/F



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User currently offline9V-SVE From Singapore, joined Nov 2001, 2066 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (11 years 3 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4312 times:

Don't forget JAS still flies a couple A300s in Japan.

User currently offlineJAL777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (11 years 3 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4309 times:

Don't forget JAS still flies a couple A300s in Japan.

Those won't be around for long. Besides for those and the ANA A320/321's, there are no other Airbus aircraft registered in Japan. JAL has already said no to the A380 (for now) and ANA probably will too. Japan is more Boeing country then the US.


User currently offlineVirginFlyer From New Zealand, joined Sep 2000, 4575 posts, RR: 41
Reply 6, posted (11 years 3 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4270 times:

JAL777 - given the delivery schedule outlined above, it will be 2009 at the earliest before all the A320s are gone (and thats working on an assumption they are the first type to leave the fleet).Presumably the larger A321s won't be going anywhere just yet (notice they aren't mentioned in the article). So there will likely be ANA Airbuses up until 2010 - by which stage I think either ANA or JAL, or likely both, will have A380s on the way.

V/F



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User currently offlineTu154m From United States of America, joined exactly 13 years ago today! , 683 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (11 years 3 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4224 times:

JAL and ANA will both get the A380SR when it is introduced. 900 seats.
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User currently offlineRw774477 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 1070 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (11 years 3 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4217 times:

I'm surprised it was not annouced @ LBG

rw774477


User currently offlineShenzhen From United States of America, joined Jun 2003, 1710 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (11 years 3 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 4201 times:

I think Boeing are all finished announcing orders at the Paris Airshow. I'm sure Airbus would do the same if a new airshow started up in Seattle, at lets say, Boeing Field.

User currently offlineJAL777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (11 years 3 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 4197 times:

JAL and ANA will both get the A380SR when it is introduced. 900 seats.


What for? I've been on plenty of domestic JAL and ANA 747SR flights and none of them have been anywhere near full. ANA's future aircraft structure is to consolidate the 777-200, 777-300, and 747-400 into a single type. I am pretty sure its not the A380. And as you can see, the A321's should be gone by 2005.

From ANA's Japan site:



[Edited 2003-06-30 08:05:37]

[Edited 2003-06-30 08:06:26]

User currently offlineSyncmaster From United States of America, joined Jul 2002, 2037 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (11 years 3 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 4191 times:
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I don't think JAL or ANA will get the A380, of any model. I think they will both stick to the smaller (and better, in my opionion) Boeing line of 747's and 777's. Especially since ANA's American counter-part UA has no intentions of getting them either. (As far as I know)

User currently offlineTu154m From United States of America, joined exactly 13 years ago today! , 683 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (11 years 3 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 4183 times:

Just kidding about the A380SR. I just always like how in Japan you can fly a 747 where in most countries you'd be on nothing bigger than a 757!!!
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User currently offline717fan From Switzerland, joined Nov 2001, 2017 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (11 years 3 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 4120 times:

Ahh, good for Boeing!, I hope JAS/JAL will follow ANA and order 737NG's and 717's as replacement for its 734/MD90/MD81/MD87....What do you think?

User currently offlineTekelberry From United States of America, joined May 2003, 1459 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (11 years 3 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 4105 times:

In the "Medium Sized" field for "Future Structure", I wouldn't be surprised if the 7E7 found itself there.

Why would they want to get rid of their B744s and B777s? They are (almost) brand new.

The A320s aren't that old either.

I guess this just surprises me since I'm used to the US airline economy status, heh.


User currently offlineAirmale From Botswana, joined Sep 2004, 378 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (11 years 3 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 4042 times:

Why are you all so anti-Airbus, so Japan and Israel are some of the only countries that dont have Airbus aircraft, all others do. No loss for Airbus they've gained Qantas and Air New Zealand as new customers, Aeroflot are getting the A320's they already operate the A310, Emirates and Qatar Airways both shunned Boeing for huge Airbus orders, QR actually ditched the "superior" 777 for the A340, PIA only bought the 777 because of political reasons and US cooperation in helping them get the aircraft, perhaps much cheaper which will, never be disclosed. Eventaully JAL and ANA will have to go for Airbus to rpelace their 767 fleets unless the 7E7 actually comes out and succeeds, or will they opt for the flop 764?

[Edited 2003-06-30 10:34:28]


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User currently offlineOsteogenesis From Germany, joined May 2003, 647 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (11 years 3 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 4009 times:

JAL777:

Congratulations to both Boeing and All Nippon.

Soon... there will not be a single Airbus registered in Japan.

Whow! There are some people (mostly Americans) that really hate Airbus. Its really sad to see. I never had those feelings against Boeing products.

Congratulations Boeing. Its good to see that there is still competition.


User currently offlineTrvlr From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4430 posts, RR: 21
Reply 17, posted (11 years 3 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3990 times:

Airmale: I think people are making a big deal about this for the very reasons you described--Airbus has been gaining ground on Boeing lately. Boeing just won a major battle to keep their competitor out of an extremely important market. This is certainly big!

BTW: I'm confident that JAL and ANA will almost certainly not choose another aircraft over the 7E7. The 767's time will be over by the time they place orders, and the 7E7 will fit perfectly into their fleet structure. However, I think Airbus has a (slight) chance if they market other planes to the Japanese via an A380 order. This is the very reason why Qantas flies A330s today instead of more 767s.

Aaron G.


User currently offlineAirmale From Botswana, joined Sep 2004, 378 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (11 years 3 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3976 times:

Forget the QF deal, talk about the others, why did other airlines oprt for the A332 over the 764?.


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User currently offlineShenzhen From United States of America, joined Jun 2003, 1710 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (11 years 3 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3962 times:

Airmale

Because it flies farther, faster, higher, has a wider cabin and carries LD3s side by side.

The same reason that the proposed 7e7 will become market leader, but also include lower operating costs.

Disclaimer.... 7e7 is not yet launched  Smile


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29802 posts, RR: 58
Reply 20, posted (11 years 3 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3949 times:

At this point at teh 7e7 development, ANA can suggest what features the aircraft would need for them to take it, and it can be designed to incoperate them.




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User currently offlineDon From Japan, joined Jun 2003, 274 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (11 years 3 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3943 times:

Japan Air System (JAS), now a part of JAL flies 22 A300-600R and 12 A300B4 now. The Latter will be retired by 2006 but A300-600R are still in the fleet plan beyond 2006.

User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (11 years 3 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3946 times:

Boeing can deliver faster then Airbus.

Back logs are growing long at Airbus.


User currently offlineVonRichtofen From Canada, joined Nov 2000, 4627 posts, RR: 36
Reply 23, posted (11 years 3 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3938 times:

Somebody says "Congratulations Boeing and ANA" and now they're anti-airbus?

Give me break...  Insane

And saying that soon there won't be any airbus in Japan is just a fact.



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User currently offlineOsteogenesis From Germany, joined May 2003, 647 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (11 years 3 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3929 times:

VonRichtofen:

And saying that soon there won't be any airbus in Japan is just a fact.

Since you decide all the aircraft purchases in Japan.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Wishful thinking.


25 Post contains images VonRichtofen : No, but the way things are going it will be fact. The user who originally stated this was just making a point. He wasn't trying to bash Airbus. Settle
26 Post contains images KLM747 : I wonder if the new ANA 737's will have blended winglets. The Boeing photo shows winglets. -William
27 Na : vonRichtofen, fyi, your name-patron, the Red Baron, was known as "von Richthofen", not Richtofen. In German "Richthof" means the court were convicts w
28 VonRichtofen : Na, Yeah I didn't discover this until after I started up this user name. I don't want to delete this name and start another. I have seen several diffe
29 CHRISBA777ER : We all have our personal favourite airlines aircraft and manufacturers. Unwillingness to give ground in discussions like these is a bit frustrating. I
30 N79969 : CHRISBA777ER, Although I don't agree with everything you say, that was a very good and thoughful rant.
31 Post contains images JAL777 : You people need to get a life. I simply stated the facts as they are and all of a sudden I am now labeled anti-Airbus?
32 Gigneil : You stated a ridiculous nonfact. There are going to be Airbusen registered in Japan for at least the next 10 years, and JAL has not announced plans to
33 CHRISBA777ER : N79969 - Thanks. Its just annoyed me once too often and i thougth id have a pop. Hard day at work you get the idea. "therefore you are clearly trying
34 CX747 : I love how the Airbus supporters have turned a 737-700 order from ANA into an Airbus post. Just to let you know, in more adult forums, the same statem
35 HlywdCatft : Yeah its good news for Boeing, but its with their best selling aircraft type, which hasnt been hurting. Too bad they couldnt sell some 717s or 737-600
36 Gigneil : I love how the Airbus supporters have turned a 737-700 order from ANA into an Airbus post. No more than whenever Airbus signs a deal, all the Boeing s
37 Post contains links N79969 : I wonder why... http://www.economist.com/displaystory.cfm?story_id=1842124
38 Bobrayner : CHRISBA777ER just got added to my respected list. Gigneil, I couldn't agree more. It's often impossible to discuss B (or A) without the A (or B) fans
39 CHRISBA777ER : I am clearly talking to myself here... Whats the point in saying something if nobody wants to listen? Nevermind. I'll leave you guys to it. This is cl
40 Post contains images Syncmaster : I don't think we need to worry about ANA getting or using Airbus jets any longer, read this, as quoted from MSNBC: "...The airline expects annual savi
41 Bobrayner : N79969, we appreciate that it's a good article, and I always respect you for posting informative and well-researched stuff rather than reciting dogma,
42 N79969 : Bob, Right back at you...I like your posts as well. I was answering Gigneil's question about why some of us are often times suspicious (not all the ti
43 Gigneil : Eh, yeah, I did. N
44 DIA : Good for Boeing and ANA. The 737NGs are a fine choice for the ANA route structure and economics. Regarding the winglets. . .I would think if Boeing ha
45 Post contains images Shenzhen : This was a huge order for Boeing, just for the simple fact, it might just be the first time that an Airline has changed an entire fleet (qty 26) of A3
46 N79969 : Actually, I think Boeing has a lot of pull in Japan. They subcontract a signficant amount of work directly to Japanese firms and GE also subs and risk
47 Rupertvander82 : As much as I'd like to congratulate Boeing, but I cannot help but feel that is all a little political, babyyyyyyyyyyyy!
48 Dynkrisolo : I don't think the switch has anything to do with delivery positions. Airbus was caught off guard when ANA announced their choice about three months ag
49 Manni : Good to see Boeing writing up a huge order like this one, afterall, Boeing made Airbus what it is today, thanks to the competition, without orders no
50 Dynkrisolo : I will boldly predict the 330 will not have a chance to ever be flown by a Japanese airline. The choice for the Japanese airlines will be between the
51 JAL777 : Honestly... I think some of you people look for arguements. There are some of us who read a substantial amount of literature and take pride in the com
52 Manni : 'I have yet to be on a Japanese 747SR that was more than 70% full' I have no doubt that what you said might be true and observed by you, but.. Based o
53 Osteogenesis : I apologize if some of you read one thing and interpret another, do not take my statement to be anti-Airbus because it is far from the truth. The stat
54 Don : 'I have yet to be on a Japanese 747SR that was more than 70% full' It depends when you travel. Friday to Sunday most of the Japanese domestic flights
55 Lamyl_hhlco : that's a great news, hopefully will see more orders from other airlines.
56 N79969 : Touching upon Dynkrisolo's comments, apparently Airbus was exaperated by this order. Romano Prodi sent a letter to PM Koizumi saying among other thing
57 Post contains links AvObserver : Here's another article on the topic... http://www.aviationnow.com/avnow/news/channel_aviationdaily_story.jsp?id=news/ana07013.xml I hope all of this b
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