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Qatar Airways Expansion Plans For 2003/4  
User currently offlineQatarAirways From Qatar, joined Sep 2008, 0 posts, RR: 0
Posted (12 years 11 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 5221 times:

With the recent order of 32 Airbuses Qatar Airways are speeding up their expansion plan which will run from now untill the end of the decade which is when consolidation will happen.

The main things that'll happen in the next couple of years are include:

- Introduction of new products and services
- Expansion of fleet, phasing out of A300's
- Increasing frequencies to offer better connections
- Adding a LOT of destinations
- Joining an alliance

Regarding frequencies Qatar Airways is trying to build up key Asian destinations as well as London Heathrow towards twice daily services. Other European destinations will be taken up to daily (subject to government approval) starting first with Manchester and Paris followed by Munich and Frankfurt. Finally QR wants to build up they key Gulf/Middle Eastern routes with BAH going to 3 daily, DXB 4 daily and MCT/DMM/AMM going to daily flights.

Qatar Airways' new destinations for the remainder of 2003/2004 are literally all over the world. Qatar Airways will start flying to destinations such as Tokyo, Addis Ababa, Lagos, Johannesbourg, Australia, Zurich and Madrid this is in addition to the previously anounced destinations such as Moscow, Shanghai and Seoul. The North-East Asian (PVG/SEL/NRT) market is of particular interest because of strong premium O&D demand between the region and the Gulf due to economic ties. QR will also be making in-roads into Africa to offer them an alternative way to get to Asia, Africa was a market traditionally overlooked by QR. Flights to the US and Canada will start in 2005 catering mainly to the business market between the Gulf and North America as well as the VFR traffic to South Asia.

Finally QR is looking at significantly increasing their presence in South Asia. QR wants to upgrade current india operations from 19x weekly of predominantly A320 operations to 28x weekly widebody operations as well as add Bangalore, Delhi, Ahmedabad and Chennai. CMB recently saw a doubling of frequencies and MLE will be upgraded to 10x weekly flights from next year with KTM going to 11x weekly.

In other news Lufthansa should resume codesharing with QR on the FRA/MUC-DOH routes as well as starting their own flights to DOH. This is because the LH team who have been working with QR over the past few years have completed most if not all of the changes required.

I forgot to add that most if

If anyone has any questions please feel free to ask

[Edited 2003-06-30 19:06:11]

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User currently offlineAirmale From Botswana, joined Sep 2004, 391 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (12 years 11 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 5151 times:

When is QR Cargo starting service to Belgium?

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User currently offlineDalecary From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (12 years 11 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 5060 times:

any specific news on Australian services- destinations,frequency,aircraft type..etc? I presume that when they eventually the 345/772LR that they will do an EK and offer non-stop flights from Doha to SYD/MEL and maybe PER.
Which alliance would they be most likely to join? I see another thread was hinting at STAR, but I imagine all 3 major alliances would be keen to get a Middle Eastern partner(EK,GF or QR).


User currently offlineAviasian From Singapore, joined Jan 2001, 1490 posts, RR: 14
Reply 3, posted (12 years 11 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 5011 times:

Will Qatar Airways ever operate to Singapore . . . since announcing that they will use the A319CJ on the route, nothing has materialised.

Perhaps enroute to Australia?

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User currently offlineQatarAirways From Qatar, joined Sep 2008, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (12 years 11 months 17 hours ago) and read 4947 times:


Service should start soon but first service will be to KTM from what I have heard.


I am not sure of QR's proposed Australian services as not much information on it has been released. A delegation will visit Australia in October this year to sign the Air Services Agreement and get everything sorted out, last time they tried doing that a few years ago they were only allowed to operate into Melbourne. The original plan was to fly via an Asian city (initially Jakarta later KUL but they have also applied for rights ex-CMB) to Sydney with the A330 but that was years ago and I think that the only way they could remain competative is to fly non-stop.

QR will face the same problem as GF and that is that their services will not have good connections into anywhere but the Gulf. For the VFR routes in the Middle East aswell as Europe passengers will have to wait about 7 hours westbound. While on EK they only have a 1-3 hr connection time. This is due to the curfew as ideally QR would want a departure of 12am for a one-stop service and 2am for a non-stop one.

PER on the other hand would work fine if QR decide to operate there because of the shorter flight times, QR could have a night time departure from DOH and the flight arriving back before midnight in DOH the next day with only a couple of hours on the ground at PER.

As for the alliance it is Star Alliance


They should start service to SIN but it is not a priority destination unless it is a stopover city, of course they could always operate the A319LR. Originally QR intended to do something similar to LH and fly the A319CJ but it has been tied up with charters.

User currently offlineHlywdCatft From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5321 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (12 years 11 months 14 hours ago) and read 4878 times:

Where will they fly in the U.S.?

Any chance they will fly into DTW with the huge Arabic population in Detroit?

User currently onlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 17593 posts, RR: 50
Reply 6, posted (12 years 11 months 13 hours ago) and read 4846 times:

"Where will they fly in the U.S.? "

My guess is that their top three US destinations would be NYC (EWR or JFK), Washington Dulles and Houston IAH.

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User currently offlineQatarAirways From Qatar, joined Sep 2008, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (12 years 11 months 9 hours ago) and read 4786 times:


Initial North American destinations are Toronto and New York City. As STT757 said IAD, IAH as well as ORD, SFO and LAX are some of the destinations that QR could fly into but that would be in the long term future.

In DTW most of the Arabs come from Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Jordan and Egypt and transitting via DOH is not efficient. It would be like someone flying from London to Dallas via Los Angeles. Additionally yeilds are quite low as there are lots of connections available via Europe and no premium traffic.

I also have to make a correction regarding Australia, it could come later than 2004 because of aircraft availability.

[Edited 2003-07-01 20:56:09]

User currently offlineZizou From Australia, joined Oct 2000, 1536 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (12 years 11 months 2 hours ago) and read 4728 times:

Look forward to seeing it in Australia sometime. I think routing it via Colombo, will be great idea, as there is demand for Sydney/Melbourne-Colombo flights. However, they better hurry, as I have heard SriLankan is interested in resuming this route.

User currently offlineKHI747 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 1621 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (12 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4702 times:

Hows QR doing in Pakistan? Any changes to their frequencies in KHI,LHE,ISB or PEW....?

User currently offlineQatarAirways From Qatar, joined Sep 2008, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (12 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4625 times:


PIA is as usual blocking all attempts by QR to expand in the market. In fact recently they caused PEW/LHE to be reduced to twice weekly each and ISB flights to be cancelled. The aviation authorities of both Qatar and Pakistan met to negotiate traffic rights but they didn't agree to anything judging by the statement that was given to the press. QR wants to expand in LHE, PEW, ISB and are satisfied with their operations to KHI, PIA wants to allow QR access only into KHI and stop expansion permanently into northern pakistan so that they could remain competative.

User currently offlineKHI747 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 1621 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (12 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4609 times:

Really! ....is that right ! i didnt know PK was becoming so agressive in not allowing airlines in the north...Pakistan has adopted a very open policy over the last 5 or so years(specially in KHI) but these things that you just described are quite surprising....they got ISB cancelled!!!

User currently offlineAirmale From Botswana, joined Sep 2004, 391 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (12 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4578 times:

Personally I dont think theres any resaon for Gulf carriers to expand any further in Pakistan. Hopefully SV and Kuwait Airways will not be allowed to operate direct to Peshawar if and when they they want to. It really pisses me off when you go to travel agents and all they promote are these five Gulf carriers, a cousin of mine got so irritated with this tactic of theres that he actually asked the agent to book him on an Ethiopian Airlines flight to New York.

By the way Lufthansa are seriously showing interest in resuming passenger services to Pakistan more so after Musharraf's visit to Germany, at present LH Cargo operate five MD-11F's to the country, three to LHE two to KHI. So thats good to know.

[Edited 2003-07-02 19:48:17]

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User currently offlineKHI747 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 1621 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (12 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4528 times:

But Airmale what is the reason you wouldnt want the Gulf carriers to expand any further?....if it were'nt for them travellers wont have any choice other then PIA in most cases

User currently offlineQatarAirways From Qatar, joined Sep 2008, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (12 years 10 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 4485 times:

As you said KHI is no problem but PK is worried about the Gulf carriers especially KU/EK/GF/QR making in-roads in the North. With QR KHI bookings are good and yeilds low but with LHE/PEW flights always leave full and QR can charge a lot more sometimes a LHR-DOH-PEW flight can cost twice as much as a LHR-DOH-KHI flight!

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