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Pan Am 747SP In Billborad Livery-Rare Photo  
User currently offlineAirmale From Botswana, joined Sep 2004, 377 posts, RR: 1
Posted (11 years 2 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4045 times:

Here it is.

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Photo © Martin Oertle



[Edited 2003-06-30 19:44:06]


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User currently offlineBrons2 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3013 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (11 years 2 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3967 times:

What about it needs to be discussed? The fact that Pan Am's SP purchases were a very poor choice? That maybe they should have bought DC-10 or L1011 for their role? Or waited for the 767?


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User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9628 posts, RR: 68
Reply 2, posted (11 years 2 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3956 times:
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They bought the SP for LAX-Tokyo nonstop, and were the first airline to offer that service.

User currently offlineAirmale From Botswana, joined Sep 2004, 377 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (11 years 2 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3949 times:

Hmmm.... maybe I just posted it thinking since its the only shot of the iarcraft at thise site it may have gone unnoticed by some who are not regular at checking new pic's, including my self, so it may come to their notice. Any crime in that, or do you just need to type for the heck of it?


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User currently offlineAirmale From Botswana, joined Sep 2004, 377 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (11 years 2 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3945 times:

was this the only one in this scheme?


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User currently offlineBrons2 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3013 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (11 years 2 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3939 times:

They bought the SP for LAX-Tokyo nonstop, and were the first airline to offer that service.

They needed 25 SP's to operate LAX-NRT? I am pretty sure that was their initial order. Or perhaps it was their inital nail in the coffin.

When did Juan Trippe retire, anyways?



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User currently offlineModernArt From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (11 years 2 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3935 times:

They bought the SP for LAX-Tokyo nonstop, and were the first airline to offer that service.

I think New York - Tokyo is the correct answer.


User currently offlineDIA From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3273 posts, RR: 28
Reply 7, posted (11 years 2 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3826 times:

Airmale: I had the same interest in this photo and PA SP history and such.

Maybe this link to my past posting will help. http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/1057345/6/
Cheers,
DIA



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User currently offlineETA Unknown From Comoros, joined Jun 2001, 2077 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (11 years 2 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3766 times:

I would have thought a pic of a LAM DC-10 would have been rarer- well, at least according to this thread.

User currently offlineMD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8507 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (11 years 2 months 4 days ago) and read 3689 times:

Didn't Trippe retire around 1969 or so? Or did he stay on until the 70's? I'm pretty sure it was before that.

User currently offlineCMK10 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 513 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (11 years 2 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3633 times:

Just a little bit of trivia about that particular plane. If you look near the cockpit you see a logo reading "Flight 50" That was the plane that Pan Am used to fly around the world in 54 Hours 7 Minutes and 12 Seconds on October 28-30, 1977. It left from San Francisco and circled the poles and arrived back in San Francisco two days after it left. On November 17, 2001 a South African 747-400 broke the record.
DC-10's Forever



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User currently offlineB747Skipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (11 years 2 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3581 times:

We had 10 of these with PanAm if I recall well, and served us good...
They were used for NRT, SYD, also JFK to BAH...
When UAL bought our Pacific Division in 1986, they insisted getting the SPs...
So, dont criticize that type of aircraft, in its days, they were very long range.
Now, there are some 200 series that have longer range than the SPs...
xxx
(s) Skipper


User currently offlineSWA TPA From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 1559 posts, RR: 34
Reply 12, posted (11 years 2 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3516 times:

I have always liked the PA SP's. Very nice to see it in the billboard scheme  Smile
Glad you posted it otherwise I never would have seen it and that bit of airline history would have been lost to me.
Thanks Airmale  Big thumbs up



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User currently offlineClipper471 From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 726 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (11 years 2 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3461 times:
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Trippe retired in 1968. The 747SPs were ordered beginning in 1973 and delivered in 1976 (PA was the launch customer, of course). There were a total of 10 ordered; later in 1980 a Braniff 747SP was picked up to top off their 747SP fleet at 11. All 11 later were transferred to UAL in 1986 as part of the Pacific Division sale. Listed are the engine type, date of order, and number ordered on that date...

PW 10-Sep-1973 5
PW 09-Dec-1976 1
PW 09-Jul-1977 2
PW 15-Dec-1977 2

On 25-Apr-1976, the inaugural Boeing 747SP flight was marked with PA801, the first non-stop flight from New York-Kennedy to Tokyo.

On 1-May-1976, PA200 departed New York-Kennedy for an equatorial, round-the-world flight with 98 passengers aboard. The 747SP was named Clipper Liberty Bell (N533PA, pictured above) in commemoration of the country's bicentennial, and made two stops, at Delhi and Tokyo.

On 28-Oct-1977, PA50 ("Polar 50") departed San Francisco for a polar, round-the-world flight with 172 passengers aboard. The 747SP was named Clipper New Horizons (N533PA, pictured above), and made three stops, at London, Cape Town, and Auckland. Aboard were strolling musicians, hair dresser, Gucci fashion show, 8 meals (full service and buffet), and 12 movies. Cost was $3333 for first class, $2222 for economy class.

N533PA was initially to be the aircraft named "Clipper Juan T. Trippe" in 1982. But, that honor went instead to N747PA (747-121).


User currently offlinePA006 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 160 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (11 years 2 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3391 times:

The flight from JFK to Tokyo should be PA1.
It became UA801 after the UA puchase.


User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4898 posts, RR: 25
Reply 15, posted (11 years 2 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3281 times:
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No, JFK-NRT had always been PA801 (even during the 707 days when the flight made a stopover in Fairbanks); UA kept the flight number till this day after the 1986 Pacific route purchase.

Key SP routes included:
PA 801/800 JFK-NRT and v.v.
PA 815/816 LAX-SYD and v.v.
PA 5 / 6 JFK-SFO-HKG-SIN and v.v.
PA 24 / 25 JFK-DHA and v.v.

Also used periodically on JFK-GIG, and some transatlantics


User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8093 posts, RR: 54
Reply 16, posted (11 years 2 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3231 times:

PA 815/816 LAX-SYD and v.v. - classic SP territory. And even though we're in the next century and the route is now served by United 747-400s, it's still UA815 and 816. Nice!


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User currently offlineOrd From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 1381 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (11 years 2 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3195 times:

The only reason United insisted on getting the SPs when they bought Pan Am's Pacific routes in 1985/86 waas because they didn't have their own aircraft to fly these routes. They had to have the planes! Don't forget they also insisted on getting the L-1011s as well until newer planes could be ordered and received.

User currently offlineHlywdCatft From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5321 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (11 years 2 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3161 times:

They flew them out of ORD too. I remember seeing one take off from ORD in 1986, i think prior to the UA/Pan Am merger.

User currently offlineDIA From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3273 posts, RR: 28
Reply 19, posted (11 years 2 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3141 times:

No problem, Airmale, glad to help your disintegrating posting anytime.


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User currently offlineETA Unknown From Comoros, joined Jun 2001, 2077 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (11 years 2 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3123 times:

The SP's were weight restricted NORTHBOUND too... PA neglected to tell UA that when they took over the route. HNL tech stop- here we come!

User currently offlineClipper471 From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 726 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (11 years 2 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3020 times:
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PA006, PAA1 was part of the round-the-world flight and began its Pacific crossing from either Los Angeles or San Francisco (depending on the schedule).

As others here have verified, PA801 was indeed the long-time JFK-Tokyo flight.


User currently offlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 8005 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (11 years 2 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2996 times:

An interesting tidbit--Boeing worked hard to try to sell the 747SP to Japan Airlines (JL). However, JL said that the plane's seating capacity was too small, so JL never did buy the 747SP. But JL did manage to fly between NRT and JFK nonstop before the 747-400 arrived; the airline ordered a number of 747-200B's that had extra fuel tanks installed so that for some minor sacrifice in pax/cargo capacity they could fly the route non-stop year-round. Indeed, the fastest JFK-NRT flight is (I think) held by now-retired JL pilot John Deakin, who flew this route in just under 11 hours on a JL 742B!

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