Planefreak From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 202 posts, RR: 0 Posted (11 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3950 times:
This post is to express my disgust with American Airlines for their total lack of respect and fair treatment of former TWA employees. The news that AA is to "let go" of 3,100 employees, more than half of them from TWA, makes me see red all over again. Remember what happened to Reno Air and their employees when AA brought them out? If this news is not enough to read further that AA is planning to relocate 900 F/A's to STL to replace the "removed" TWA is a complete punch in the mouth!
AA now is reviewing its overall picture of their hub system. However reading between the lines AA has its target set on leaving STL all together. What will the business travelers of this airport and region do then?
They will fill every SWA plane know to man in and out of STL and SWA will laugh all the way to the bank.
Good luck AA, you can lay them off (TWA employees) but they will always be someone there in the shadows who remembers.
Planefreak From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 202 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (11 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3860 times:
Unions and courts. We are not talking about them here. We are talking about the dirty process that AA has been doing for years. Real people are losing everything they own and why? The answer is simple. AA plays dirty and if AA went into Chp 11 it would be there own fault! AMR is not new on the block. They make their own choices just like every one else.
AIR757200 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1579 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (11 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3826 times:
Well, there's nothing anyone can do, so thank you for not choosing AA.
It's just a big circle with this "never fly XX-airlines" comment. Everytime I hear someone say that (esp. while at work), I just think of someone at another airline saying the same thing and coming to AA.
What most of you don't know and while it may appear to some of you that AA has no respect for anyone. Anyone who has been furloughed after March 31, 2003, AA has extended their flight benefits for 18 months (was 90-days), plus an additional six months for showing up as scheduled from the time of notice to layoff date. That was a good gesture that they DIDN'T have to do.
Tango-Bravo From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3811 posts, RR: 27
Reply 4, posted (11 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3772 times:
Good point, Planefreak, about SWA benifitting most if AA indeed pulls the plug on the STL hub. If that happens we will undoubtedly hear more of AA bemoaning the onslaught of the LCCs -- after forfeiting a hefty slice of market share to them.
Tekelberry From United States of America, joined May 2003, 1459 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (11 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3752 times:
AA couldn't do anything about it. The union decided to put TWA employees at the bottom of the senority list. AA decided to lay off 3000 people, the union picked the ones at the bottom of the senority list.
Bucky707 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 1030 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (11 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3737 times:
Before you decide not to fly AA, talk to they former TWA unions. They all, all of them, waived any merger protections in their contracts as a condition of being acquired by AA. They knew without the purchase they were gone, so they accepted the condition. They also knew what the consequences of waiving these protections would be. They have no one to blame but themselves.
Luv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12221 posts, RR: 46
Reply 7, posted (11 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3736 times:
Extending air benefits does not put food on the table, and I am sure there are 3,100 ex TWA FA's that just got laid off that would agree with me. It is an empty gesture is all. It is space available anyway so chances are they are getting a seat that AA did not have the chance to get a revenue pax to buy.
Tekelberry From United States of America, joined May 2003, 1459 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (11 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3539 times:
Lets get one think clear. I do not care for AA and if I would have want to see them go under, yeah, if the shoe fits the foot, then so be it!
Your nickname fits you, Planefreak. You want to see hundreds of thousands lose their jobs and the US economy taking a hit by the #1 airline in the world going out of business? Boy oh boy...what is this world coming to?
Goingboeing From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4875 posts, RR: 16
Reply 14, posted (11 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3520 times:
AA's biggest mistake is easy to see with 20/20 hindsight - they never should have bought TWA. Then Carl Icahn could be taking the heat about the fate of TWA employees rather than AA.
The "I'll never fly XX airlines again" posts amuse me. YOu can bet your bottom dollar that if AA offered a flight for fifty bucks less than the competition, the apologists would come out, claiming they were "forced" to fly them.
Jgiardin From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 45 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (11 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3409 times:
Let's face it: The TWA unions took a gamble and staved off furloughs for a couple years. Unfortunately, in the long run it is not good news. That is a downside of business, but it is not really AA's fault. It is bad that 3000 people will lose their jobs, and completely regrettable.
As for STL, it would be nice to see AA continue to operate it, but they have a hub so close (ORD) that it might not be reasonable. That said, they do not have a responsibility to operate it if costs can be cut through elimination. This is a bad time for ALL airlines (save WN and JB). There is going to be bad news like this from time to time.
BR715-A1-30 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (11 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3395 times:
Ok, If this is a note to self, why are you posting it here.
I used to hate AA based on their business decisions, but now I won't mind flying them if they are going my way. Their business decisions should not affect your flying them. I admit, AA does do some pretty messed up stuff, but I choose not to worry about it and if Don Carty wants to lay them off, let him. If it is a good decision, you will notice. If it was a bad decision, it will come back to bite him in the butt. Don't let it affect you in any way.
N951U From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (11 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3315 times:
Threads like this make me mad.
I was as much a TWA fan as anybody else. I have several close friends who were furloughed by AA after the merger or who have family members who were furloughed. Yes, it is a very sad situation. However, when it comes down to it, many people had jobs for longer than they would have without the merger. For the situation afterward.... you can blame the unions for that, namely the TWA ALPA MEC chair. The industry is in an unfortunate situation. You want lower fares? The network carriers have to shrink, cut costs, cut lesser profitable routes, and that means cutting labor. I could go on and lay the blame for some cuts at major carriers with the LCCs, but that would be childish.
The TWA people I have encountered over the years are some of the most resilient folks in the industry. As one TWA Captain put it to me, "When AA starts sinking, it's the TWAers who know how to swim." This is truly a terrible time for many people and hopefully they work through it.
What I absolutely do not agree with here is this "I'm not flying AA because...." crap. If you truly cared, you'd support the airline in its turnaround and pull for AA's future. Only after a turnaround can the recalls start.
Alpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (11 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3311 times:
The public could care less, one way or the other how airline employees are treated, which is why Union propoganda or company propoganda-in most lines of work, are like putting an ice cube on a hotplate, far as the public is concerned.
Whether I or you or anyone likes how the TW employees are being treated-and I certainly think it was planned that way from the time the merger took place-is irrelevant. The public doesn't care, as long as they get cheap flights that are on time.
LV From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 2017 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (11 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3238 times:
Well, I was going to post this as a seperate thread but after reading this felt it fit in perfectly.
The St. Louis Post Dispatch was of course screaming bloody murder on the front page this morning, here is links to two articles, the first was the above the fold front page story this morning. It even bumped the daily above the fold Palestine-Israel story to below the fold (never understood why the Post Dispatch has a Palestine-Israel story on the front page everyday, but that's non-av so I won't touch it right now)