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User currently offlineAtcboy73 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 1100 posts, RR: 2
Posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1889 times:

I have heard that the ClE hub for CAL is now almost all RJ. Is this true?

Can someone break down the hub for me and tell me how many mainline/RJ and prop flights there are?

Also if you could tell me when the banks depart and their general direction, that would be great.

Thanks guys

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User currently offlineRedngold From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 6907 posts, RR: 44
Reply 1, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1843 times:

I think it's about 60/40 RJs to mainline.

Banks are, by my best estimation:
(inbound)
9:00 A.M.
11:30 A.M.
3:30 P.M.
7:00-8:00 P.M. (mostly regionals, more mainline as you get later)

(outbound)
8:00 A.M.
11:00 A.M.
(not sure about afternoon)
7:30 P.M. (mainline)
8:30 P.M. (regionals)
10:30 P.M. (cargo heavies)

Our props go at the same time as the regionals. The props are CommutAir Beech 1900Ds. All Continental Express is served with RJs -- Embraer 135, 145, 145XR with winglets.

The other airlines seem to follow roughly the same bank schedule as CAL.


redngold

[Edited 2003-07-07 03:40:24]


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User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1804 times:

On days of 100% flight operations-which is Monday, Thursday, Friday and, for the most part, Sunday, the outbound banks are:
-8AM, eastbound flights
-930am, westbound and southbound flights
-1130am-eastbound and southeast bound flights
-1pm-westbound and southbound flights
-330pm-eastbound and southeast bound flights
-5pm-westbound and southbound flights
-7pm-eastbound flights and southeastbound flights
-830pm-westbound and southbound flights

Within each bank, you'll find an occasional flight going in the opposition direction, like a EWR or LGA during a westbound bank, and an IAH during an eastbound bank.

And most airlines probably don't follow a schedule at CLE near CAL-they'll follow a schedule that flows into their respective hubs.

As for COEX to CO ratio, I'd say it's more like 70/30 in favor of COEX.


User currently offlineAtcboy73 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 1100 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1747 times:

Can you guys tell me what is going on with the runways at CLE? When I look at the airport facility directory it showes three parrallels now. Its my understanding that one of those runways is going to be turned into a taxiway. Is this correct?

User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 1733 times:

6/24C is going to,eventually, be just a taxiway. But with construction still going on on the two main runway, they do occasionally still use that as an active runway, and, I imagine they will until construction is finished on both runways.

User currently offlineNcflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 494 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 1658 times:

Here's what I've wondered, best I can tell, CO is the most aggressive airline at reducing its schedule on Tu, We, Saturday. What's happening with those aircraft, are they literally parked? They surely aren't repositioned to IAH or EWR? So it's more profitable for CO to have those multi-million dollar birds sitting there earning nothing? I thought WN proved quite dramatically that it's best to keep those assets moving 16 hours a day, with minimal gate time, what's different about CO's calculations? I sure would have thought that it paid to keep the airplanes moving, but I'm sure CO analyzed it to death.

User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 1647 times:

You don't make a move without analyzing it to death, and Bethune's team isn't the team that ran CO into the ground, who had the rep of anyalizing nothing and acting on a whim.

I can tell you, from being on the ground, that CO must feel it's costs them less money to have the planes sitting for an extran bank insteand of having the flights 50% empty on those days. Perhaps they think it ups the load factor on the remaining schedule for those days, and that makes up for that one less flight on tues/wed. Saturday has always been a reduced schedule day, has been for the 16 years I've been with CO.


User currently offlineAtcboy73 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 1100 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 1577 times:

Ya, the reductions on Tuesdays and Wednesdays surprised me also.

On, lets say a Monday, how many total departures are there out of CLE? Then how many total are there on Tuesday?


User currently offlineRedngold From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 6907 posts, RR: 44
Reply 8, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1536 times:

Cleveland is a ghost town on Saturday. There's no evening bank to be found.

redngold



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User currently offlineMasseyBrown From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 5601 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 1511 times:

According to CAL's electronic timetable, which includes about 10 NW codeshare flights and CO Express/Connection flights, CLE has the following daily departures:
Sun 200
Mon 261
Tue 215
Wed 218
Thu 264
Fri 263
Sat 159



I love long German words like 'Freundschaftsbezeigungen'.
User currently offlineRedngold From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 6907 posts, RR: 44
Reply 10, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 1492 times:

*insert gloating*
AHA! PROVES my assertion that Thursday is the busiest day at CLE! I knew it, I knew it!
*end gloating*

redngold



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User currently offlineAtcboy73 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 1100 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 1479 times:

WOW, Massey thanks for posting that.

User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 1476 times:

I think, load-wise anymore, thursdays are busier than friday. At least it seems like it.  Smile

I don't do Sundays, but I remember Sunday nights being just hell to work.  Big grin


User currently offlineNcflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 494 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1445 times:

Terrific info, thanks.

I'm surprised Sundays are pretty light too, thought that was big day top to bottom for low yield but high load factor flights.

So my next question is, what about EWR and IAH, do they have similar day-to-day fluctuation? Is this just a CLE thing, wouldn't be surprised given that it's the #3 hub. . .


User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 1424 times:

For the most part, Ncflyer, it's just a CLE thing. I don't know about Saturdays-that seems to be, for the most part, a system-wide reduction day, but on tuesday and wednesdays, EWR and IAH run a tad under their normal schedule-maybe 3 to 5% below, say Thursday, but nothing major.

I think with the lowering of the landing fees, and if the industry can stabalize somewhat, I think you'll see the disparity between the "regular" schedule, and the reduced schedules, will be reduced to some degree.


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