PIA747 From Pakistan, joined Apr 2003, 624 posts, RR: 0 Posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3062 times:
Kabo air currently has 7 B747's registered to its name. I am aware that this fleet is utilized during the yearly hajj, for transporting pilgrims from Nigeria to Jeddah. What does Kabo air do after the Hajj season? Are the aircrafts just stored or do they do some charters?
Na From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10054 posts, RR: 11 Reply 1, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3014 times:
I asked this two months ago or so - no answers.
As there are no photos of Kabo Air 747s apart from Hadj-pics I suggest they´re not employed very much - or operate very exotic routes where no airliners.net-photographer is around. Please also note that Kabo Air only aquires very old (and very cheap) 747s of the early 70s that are short of heavy maintenance. So I suggest that the main reason for operating them is indeed only the Hadj. When a D-check comes near they´ll be retired.
It would be nice though if someone flying to Lagos could come up with an answer. I´d be surprised if none of the thousands of members here is ever going there even if its not a very desirable place. My wife will be flying there end of this year but she hates aviation.
ClipperNo1 From Germany, joined May 1999, 671 posts, RR: 2 Reply 3, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2986 times:
I've recently spoke to somebody who has a more in-depth look knowledge on the nigerian aviation scene (ex-mechanic for ADC-Airlines), as the nigerian airline biz has always been a strange yet attractive mystery for me.
Kabo indeed buys the 747 shortly before they are due for the big checks. Use them on several Hajj-rounds and mostly then slaughter or let them rot away them at some remote airfields and sell off the parts....which of course comes with usual criminal side effect as record keeping is hard to find anywhere in Nigeria. There are no scheduled services flown by the 747 as far has he knew, but they are sometimes used for other pilgrim occasions or some sketchy rebel movements somewhere in Africa, although the russians rule this 'market'.
Na: any possibility for a few Lagos shots? Be careful there, the person I talked to said that what you hear about Lagos is only 50% of how bad it really is.
"I really don't know one plane from the other. To me they are just marginal costs with wings."Ã¯Â¿Â½ Alfred Kahn, 1977
Na From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10054 posts, RR: 11 Reply 7, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2897 times:
Roswell? White 747s whith blue cheatline? That must be the two ex Aer Lingus-747-100s that were operated by Kabo Air in 1997/98 and stored since. Saw one back then in Miami that was there for maintenance.
B747skipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 9, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2855 times:
Kabo Air, early 1993, I was on a short contract with Air Atlanta, they were operating ACMI on behalf of Chief Kabo (he died about a year ago, late 2002).
Got the Chief a few times aboard to Jeddah or back, lived in Miami part of the year. Larry Walston (former owner of a 707 cargo carrier in Waco, Tx) is/was his director of operations. I understand that Garba, a brother of Chief Kabo owns a company called Freedom Air - has 727s - he had contacted me to assist him to lease a 747 from Argentina, but the deal did not go through, apparently, the Chief did not want his broter to compete with him. Kabo operation is based in Kano rather than Lagos... Have not heard much from Garba lately regarding him trying for 747s, now that the Chief is no longer...
At least in 1993, cabin crews (from Nigeria) were far from well paid, had no passports, so they had to remain on board of aircraft in Jeddah, sometimes for long hours until the aircraft returned to Nigeria. Form of slavery...
I understand that Garba tried to operate L-1011s operated by Northeast of Miami, but the heads of Northeast deal with "experimental finances" having airplanes seized here and there in Africa... crew salaries were not paid and forced to finance their own return tickets to USA... So I doubt that Garba will deal in the future with Northeast...
Okada was a Lagos operation, I have not heard anything about them in the recent years, I knew one of their pilots, but he did retire...
As far as Kabo Air is concerned, I would not recommend employment as cabin crewmember... and from pilots having recently worked there, most of them told me about horror stories of lack of maintenance for their old airplanes if the pay was somewhat average, the hotel accomodations in Kano, Kaduna and Sokoto were a disaster...
Covert From Ghana, joined Oct 2001, 1443 posts, RR: 2 Reply 10, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2797 times:
B747Skipper always has an interesting story to share.....
But I'll be damned though how many 747's did these people have? Everybody on all 4 corners of the earth is coming out saying they saw a rotting 747 of Kabo Air at their local airfield! And now Clickhappy has a picture of one in Tiajuana? I'm trying not to crack up here....
It must be a pretty clean op these people run; get the airplane for a dollar, put a bandaid on it, then get rid of it. Sounds like business as usual to me....
Na From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10054 posts, RR: 11 Reply 11, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2775 times:
for your always helpful insight info!
You´re of cause right that Kabo Air isn´t a Lagos based airline (South Nigeria), but a North Nigerian operator from the muslim center of Kano. What you say about the condition of the Nigerian crew is appalling. But I guess that if they would have given a visa one or the other would just not have been avialable for the flight back! And from a Nigerian who has been to Saudi Arabia I heard the Saudis don´t treat Blacks very good. Guess the Saudis just refused the visas.
Re Okada Air: at least still existed in 2001. Had some BAC 1-11s.
Just went through my archive and this is what I found about Kabo 747 ops:
The impression of that Kabo has/had many old 747s (mostly for short periods, Hadj-season that is) is quite right. And except the midaged ones leased shortterm in the 80s none of these birds ever saw operation later again for another airline. I guess the condition of these old Jumbos is generally worse than that of "good old" Tower Air as western standard maintenance on a very hightech product is unaffordable for 90% of African airlines!
Kabo started 747 short leases around 1983 and operated aircraft from Overseas National and MEA. In the 90s some pure white ex Air France 747-100s were leased. Then some from Air Atlanta. In 1997 Kabo started their current policy of aquiring near-dead aircraft just fit for one or two seasons like two ex-Aer Lingus birds, and then the current 747s from BA and Virgin. The ex-Okada 747 shown was actually never operated by Kabo Air, just used for spares from what I heard.
All in all about 15 different 747s were operated by Kabo Air so far over a 20 year period.
Covert From Ghana, joined Oct 2001, 1443 posts, RR: 2 Reply 12, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2751 times:
It shouldn't be as bad as it seems, after all those ex-BA and ex-Virgin birds are only second-hand. From that European air thread on their 747-236's I take that such aircraft are always kept in good condition when sold.