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AeroMexico DC-9 Crash 1988  
User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 48
Posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 5381 times:

Does anyone know the specific location that the AeroMexico DC-9 that collided with a Cessna in 1988 crashed on the ground? I know it landed in Cerritos.

Well I live a block away from the Cerritos city limit, so I'd be curious to check out the site.

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User currently offlineClrd2go From United States of America, joined Feb 2003, 1000 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 5338 times:


You might check airdisaster.com




Jim



What a long strange trip it's been
User currently offlineTom in NO From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 7194 posts, RR: 35
Reply 2, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 5333 times:

Matt,

The mid-air occurred August 31, 1986. I've got the file here at work with me, complete with copies of the Times paper. I'll have it in a sec.

Tom at MSY



"The criminal ineptitude makes you furious"-Bruce Springsteen, after seeing firsthand the damage from Hurricane Katrina
User currently offlineTom in NO From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 7194 posts, RR: 35
Reply 3, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 5317 times:

OK, I got it:

Artesia Freeway (91), off at Carmenita. North across 183rd Street.

In the neighborhood on the northeast corner of the Carmenita/183rd St. intersection, the streets involved were Holmes Avenue, Ashworth Place, and Reva Place. Holmes was the main street, and where Ashworth and Reva intersected Holmes is your debris location for the DC-9.

FYI, the Piper Archer impacted near a school located a little ways away at 183rd Street and Gerritt Avenue.

When you find out what's currently at that area, I'd be curious to know. The impact area for the PanAm 727 which crashed here in 1982 is close by the airport. Some of the land upon which homes were destroyed in that crash still hasn't been redeveloped.

Tom at MSY

PS: I remember where I was when I heard about the AeroMexico crash: in my apartment in Azusa getting my lunch (it was on a Sunday)



"The criminal ineptitude makes you furious"-Bruce Springsteen, after seeing firsthand the damage from Hurricane Katrina
User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 48
Reply 4, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 5294 times:

Holy schidt!!!! That is only about half a mile west and about a mile north of where I live! I could only imagine what it looked like. I see the planes from Latin America (including AM M80's) fly right overhead all the time...so I'm constantly reminded of it.

Carmenita is the next exit west on the 91 from where I'm at. I live between Valley View and Carmenita.

At the time of the crash, I was just about to begin 8th grade, and was living in San Dimas.

I found out on the first day that my "homeroom" teachers (Mrs. Crosno) husband was on that plane.

Yikes.

Thanks for the info Tom.


User currently offlineTom in NO From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 7194 posts, RR: 35
Reply 5, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 5300 times:

I'm looking at an overhead picture from the LA Times of the scene: the debris field is actually fairly small, the DC-9 went in almost straight down. The vast majority of neighborhood damage is at the intersection of Holmes Avenue and Reva Place (houses on the northeast corner and on the west and southwest side). Minimal damage on the southeast or northwest corners.

The school where the Piper impacted was the Cerritos Elementary School.

Tom at MSY



"The criminal ineptitude makes you furious"-Bruce Springsteen, after seeing firsthand the damage from Hurricane Katrina
User currently offlineSR117 From Mexico, joined Jun 2000, 793 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 5211 times:

Yeah I remember that day too !

My dad worked at AMX at Tijuana at the time (the last departure point for the ill fated flight), he was working that day and I just remember him coming home all nervous and telling us that one of their flights had crashed. He had sold some tickets for the flight to a family a few days before. But he was lucky he didn't get to actually work the flight or anything like that.

The flight was actually a bit delayed waiting for a lady with a small infant, the CSR that helped her out was naturally quite affected by it.

Has the crash site been totally built over or is there some sort of memorial ?


User currently offlineRichierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4199 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 5205 times:

Someone who lives close to this, please let me know what is there. I'm morbidly curious.
I'm guessing there is nothing there now that would lead one to believe there had been a crash 15 years ago.



None shall pass!!!!
User currently offlineMarcus From Mexico, joined Apr 2001, 1766 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 5182 times:

Hey SR117 my sister worked at TIJ (but not at AM) at the time of the accident and she told me the same thing........apparently a woman travelling with a child showed up late at the check in counter and after the flight had "closed", this particular ticketing agent pulled some strings and had the plane wait for this woman for a couple of minutes, she breezed her trough the documentation process and ran with her and her bags from the check in counter to the boarding gate, radioed for a baggage handler to be waiting for them in order to load her bags on the cargo hold (in order to save time as the plane was running late)........the story goes that when news of the accident arrived at TIJ, this CIS agent started crying and screaming blaming herself for putting that woman and her child on board and had a nervous break down because of it.

Sad story indeed.



Kids!....we are going to the happiest place on earth...TIJUANA! signed: Krusty the Clown
User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 48
Reply 9, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 5159 times:

Being that I unknowingly live so close to this site, I'll drive out and check it out later this afternoon, and post with a follow up tomorrow.

User currently offlineTom in NO From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 7194 posts, RR: 35
Reply 10, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 5033 times:

Matt,

Did you get a chance to check out the crash site yet?

Tom at MSY



"The criminal ineptitude makes you furious"-Bruce Springsteen, after seeing firsthand the damage from Hurricane Katrina
User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 48
Reply 11, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4952 times:

Well I went out there and couldn't find anything indicative of the disaster. I guess I would be surprised if there was. Think about what that would do to property values in the area if some prospective buyers saw a sign commemorating an airplane that fell out of the sky.

So whatever damage was done, has long since been repaired.


User currently offlineTom in NO From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 7194 posts, RR: 35
Reply 12, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4927 times:

Matt:

Thanks for the update. My thought was that it had been built back up.

It's one thing to not build up a residential area around an airport that had been a crash site, such as the area where PA 759 crashed here; but it makes sense to rebuild an area that's miles from an airport.

Tom at MSY



"The criminal ineptitude makes you furious"-Bruce Springsteen, after seeing firsthand the damage from Hurricane Katrina
User currently offlineCactusA319 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 2918 posts, RR: 26
Reply 13, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4923 times:

On a similar note, the crash site of a United 737 that went down near MDW in 1972 has been rebuilt, atlhough it is less than 3 miles from the end of the runway. However, you can tell the difference between the newly built homes and the original ones.



User currently offlineSccutler From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 5393 posts, RR: 26
Reply 14, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4865 times:

I was living in Fullerton at the time, working on the roof of a friend's house; I have often speculated that, had I been looking the right way, I might well have seen the collision.

Later, maybe an hour or two, we drove his wife (a NW FA) to LAX for her commute to Detroit, and as we went by the location on the 91 were struck by the remarkable number of TV trucks on the overpass nearest the scene. One could not see any of the damage from the freeway of course, though the plane went down very near the 91- that could have been an even bigger disaster.

I thought that driving by the scene of a just-occurred airliner crash might spook her, but she seemed unfazed.



...three miles from BRONS, clear for the ILS one five approach...
User currently offlinePositive rate From Australia, joined Sep 2001, 2143 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 4796 times:

There is a photo somewhere of the crippled DC-9 missing its horizontal stabilizer in a vertical dive towards the ground. I think i saw it in "Collision Course" which is a book about the FAA safety standards. Pretty freaky picture, and the destruction the plane caused was massive. A whole suburban block was like wiped out!

User currently offlineJmc1975 From Israel, joined Sep 2000, 3242 posts, RR: 15
Reply 16, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 4767 times:

Tom in NO,
Did you go to Azusa Pacific College?



.......
User currently offlineJBirdAV8r From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 4482 posts, RR: 22
Reply 17, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 4749 times:

I remember seeing a picture of that DC-9 going down...very eerie, straight down, unlike the PSA 72 in San Diego.

If you want to see a crash site, go to CLT. Somewhere along the perimeter road, you'll see the asphalt scarred and partially melted and grooves carved in. You'll see a clearing on the side of the road, and on the other side of the road a bit farther away stands a memorial to USAir 1016. The damage is still there.



I got my head checked--by a jumbo jet
User currently offlineTom in NO From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 7194 posts, RR: 35
Reply 18, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4667 times:

jmc1975: nope, didn't go to Azusa Pacific. Did go to Citrus for one summer ('79), then Mt. SAC for two (1981 grad), before going to Embry-Riddle in Florida. I lived for about a year in Azusa, near the corner of Azusa Ave and Gladstone St (apartments-something "Monterey" I think).

Positive rate: My LA Times front page article does have the photo you are speaking of. The aircraft is inverted, about 70 degrees nose down, white smoke trailing it. Not good to think about.

Tom at MSY



"The criminal ineptitude makes you furious"-Bruce Springsteen, after seeing firsthand the damage from Hurricane Katrina
User currently offlineUSAIRWAYS321 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1837 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4639 times:

JBirdAV8r: I was just about to post that, my dad (a US Airways pilot) lives just a few miles from that site. I think the memorial is nice, but the road should've been fixed long ago.

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User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 48
Reply 20, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4627 times:

I went to Mt. Scum too, from 1991-1993.

Talk about a small world Tom! I grew up in San Dimas, La Verne, and West Covina. You didn't live far from me at all.


User currently offlineWesternDC1010 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 327 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4575 times:

I grew up in West Covina and was driving back from Huntington Beach the day of the Aeromexico #498 crash. We saw the smoke from around the Santa Ana area of the Golden State (5) Freeway. I was 16, on that day in 1986.

My sister had classmates on AM 498 who were returning from a fishing trip with their father in Cabo San Lucas. We both attended West Covina High School and she graduated 2 years behind me. The loss was all too sad.

2 Years ago, I was on Carmenita Road around 183rd Street and I'd decided to drive around the impact area. There have been newer homes built on the site and were noticeably newer than the older homes that were not destroyed by the crash. The area was quite eerie and very quiet for 4PM in the afternoon.

On a side note, I, too went to 'Mt.SLACK' (Mt. SAC) from 1988 to 1991 and also 1997 to 1998. Did anyone one have old man 'Klinker' for any Aeronautics classes?

- Ron



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User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 48
Reply 22, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4555 times:

WesternDC1010

Imagine that...we both lived in WC.

I presume you also heard about the 1988 "merger" between WC and Edgewood, which spelled the end of the "Spartans" and "Trojans" to come up with, of all things, the "Bulldogs".

Well, I was a first year "Bulldog". So I had no allegiance to either side. But talk about a lot of confusion.

And if you really, REALLY went to WC, then surely you remember Mr Kaluza (the train guy) and Mrs. Brathe (sp?).

THAT name speaks for itself and struck fear into th hearts of everyone that attended WCHS until 1989.
My Freshman year, I was a San Dimas "Saint".

It is a small world indeed.


User currently offlineWesternDC1010 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 327 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4527 times:

Matt,

I graduated WCHS in 1988, the last Spartan class. So that stone "West Covina High School - Home of the Bulldogs" sign at the entrance to the school on Fernwood was our class gift to the school.

And yes, I do remember Phil Kaluza very well as he was my ROP counselor. Not a very pleasant man as I concur about stiking the fear into hearts that hear his name! I had Sharon Barath my freshman year for English, a much better individual than 'Time-Bomb Kaluza!'

I thought I was the only Airline/Aviation Enthusiast at WCHS in that time.

- Ron



Western Airlines - The Only Way To Fly
User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 48
Reply 24, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4519 times:

Damn...we missed each other by one year! I didn't come to WCHS until after the merger, for the '88-'89 year. There were a few other 'plane freaks' there. I was one of them. I think that Mr. Shaw was also into planes. he always had a collection of Aviation Week on his shelf. I agree. Kaluza was a time bomb. He reminds me a lot (in looking back) of Mr. McVicker on "Beavis And Butthead" Mrs. Barathe had a memory like an elephant.

Speaking of wierd teachers, did you know, or ever have Mrs Thone Ritch? I had her sophomore Engrish. (har!)

What was her story? Not only did she always wear those bad Mrs Roper togas and mu'umu'us, but she had to be the most senile teacher I ever encountered. You could not do your homework for a week, then when she asked you about it, all you would have to do is tell her you did it. Just remind her of the color dress she wore on that day. If you were adamant enough, she'd buy it and 'correct' the grades. The time she brought in her old 45 oldies and asked us to "rate" them was one of the funniest days I've had in my life. Then there was the time she conducted the class via a small battery powered microphone and speakers. We were in stitches.


And how many times did you call coach Jack O'Cain "Coach COCAINE?

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[Edited 2003-07-19 04:35:46]

25 WesternDC1010 : Mrs Thone Ritch? Must've been after my time. Lets take this WCHS discussion offline and not bore anyone here. Whats your e-mail address? - Ron
26 Positive rate : I wonder if the people living there now know about this accident? I think it would feel pretty strange living on a spot where 100+ people died.
27 Tom in NO : Ron and Matt, Yep, I had Klinker as a teacher at SAC. In looking at my transcript from there, I had so many air transportation-type classes, I can't r
28 Skyhawk : Tom in NO- when did you go to Riddle? Was it Prescott or Daytona? PS-Like you I've never been able to find the 759 memorial. Lost my commuter roommate
29 Post contains images Tom in NO : Skyhawk: Went to Riddle-Daytona June 1981 through December 1982 (2 year degree from Mt. SAC transferred to Riddle, did 2 years at Riddle for BS degree
30 Post contains links Rojo : Here is a link to the pictures of AeroMexico's DC9-32 XA-JED (MSN:47356) on a nose dive: http://www.airdisaster.com/photos/am498/photo.shtml Rojo
31 Skyhawk : Tom in NO-Are you planning on going to the Homecoming events this year? They seem to be fairly extravagant, with the anniversary of flight and all. My
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