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User currently offlineSwissgabe From Switzerland, joined Jan 2000, 5266 posts, RR: 33
Posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3527 times:

... a total of 22 destinations including:
CGN, JED, GIG, ACC, THR, PEK, DEL, LBV ...


Smooth as silk - Royal Orchid Service /// Suid-Afrikaanse Lugdiens - Springbok
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User currently offlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6672 posts, RR: 55
Reply 1, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3511 times:

Hi !

Too bad, but not unexpected that they would cut destinations. I'm surprised that PEK is one of them though.

The777Man



Need a Boeing 777 Firing Order....Further to fly....CI, MU, LX and LH 777s
User currently offlineSwissgabe From Switzerland, joined Jan 2000, 5266 posts, RR: 33
Reply 2, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3490 times:

Yes, PEK and DEL surprised me as well and I was surprised that MIA wasn't mentioned.

Too bad seeing THR going away. LBV and ACC both are only extensions of other African destinations so I would have seen MNL and SIN going away as well.



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User currently offlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6672 posts, RR: 55
Reply 3, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3485 times:

Yes, MNL would make sense to go. At a quick glance, it doesn't seem that MNL would get that much high yield traffic, certainly less than PEK.

The777Man



Need a Boeing 777 Firing Order....Further to fly....CI, MU, LX and LH 777s
User currently offlineFlySwiss From Switzerland, joined Jul 2003, 443 posts, RR: 42
Reply 4, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3488 times:

Rio de Janeiro, Lagos, Accra, Jeddah, Teheran, Libreville, Beijing, Delhi. Köln/Bonn, Oslo, Graz, Venedig, Florenz, Bologna, Valencia, Kiew, Zagreb, Ljubljana, Prishtina, Sofia, Krakau, Skopje.

These destinations will be cutted with the wintertime table



Simle at the world and the world smiles back :)
User currently offlineGerardo From Spain, joined May 2000, 3481 posts, RR: 30
Reply 5, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3475 times:

Hasn't MNL been cut months ago?

Gerardo



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User currently offlineSwissgabe From Switzerland, joined Jan 2000, 5266 posts, RR: 33
Reply 6, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3476 times:

Well, KBP still has Codeshare flights on PS.

Right 777Man, also would have said that MNL has lower yields than PEK but at least LX has traffic rights between HKG and MNL vv.

On the radio they said that now ALL Swiss destinations should be profitable. I can't believe this.



Smooth as silk - Royal Orchid Service /// Suid-Afrikaanse Lugdiens - Springbok
User currently offlineSwissgabe From Switzerland, joined Jan 2000, 5266 posts, RR: 33
Reply 7, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3468 times:

http://www.swiss.com/index/sw-nw-pr-press-releases-03.htm?newsid=25647 would be the press release ...

Great to see the Jumbolino back in Lugano ...




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User currently offlineRupertvander82 From France, joined Dec 2002, 411 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3450 times:

Oslo? Geeez... are they still considered an European airline?

I thought cutting SIN was on the cards too?


User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2531 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3388 times:

I don't really understand why they are cutting Tunis and Casablanca... Load factores, especially in Summer are high and I don't think the yields are too bad. Well the question is : are they going to keep the codesharing agreement with Tunisair on the Tunis-Switzerland routes



Next flights : BRU-ZRH-CAI (LX)/ BRU-FCO-TLV (AZ)
User currently offlineAirways From Switzerland, joined Mar 2001, 880 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3355 times:

Air Malta: Casablanca and Tunis are nice destinations, but via GVA, there's probably not that much connecting traffic. With further cuts in GVA, even more transfer passengers to these destinations will be lost. And as it looks, the service is not profitable as a point-to-point connection.

I don't know about the yields, but I assume that both destinations have more leisure than business travel.

It's always sad to see destination cuts but if they don't make any money, it's better to stop flying there and settle with a codeshare agreement or something like that.

Michael
http://airsider.net


User currently offlineMarco From United Arab Emirates, joined Jul 2000, 4169 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 3249 times:

Is Montreal safe for now?

LX is a great alternative for me when I visit my parents in Dubai!



Proud to be an Assyrian!
User currently offlineSwissgabe From Switzerland, joined Jan 2000, 5266 posts, RR: 33
Reply 12, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 3214 times:

Marco
It looks like Montreal is confirmed NOT to be cut off ...



Smooth as silk - Royal Orchid Service /// Suid-Afrikaanse Lugdiens - Springbok
User currently offlineAirdolomiti From Germany, joined May 2003, 694 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 3199 times:

They are withdrawing service to Venice too? That's too bad...from 3x daily service to ZRH to zero. Very sad, especially after rumours (not sure how reliable the source was, I just read it in the paper a while ago) that they would introduce bigger aircraft on the route.

Well, if it's for the survival of Swiss, so be it. I hope they can reinstate at least some of these axed routes in the future...


User currently offlineLN-OJB From Norway, joined Sep 2001, 39 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 3197 times:

And SAS plans to restart services between Oslo and Zürich from november...

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33280 posts, RR: 71
Reply 15, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 3107 times:

Yes, PEK and DEL surprised me as well and I was surprised that MIA wasn't mentioned.

MIA is thier most profitable trans-Atlantic destination from ZRH. Excellent premium loads, especially as Swiss as become a favourite carrier among Miami's South African and Israeli communities, both of which are mostly in the upper middle/upper class and bring in very high yields. Not to mention a key connection point with thier AA codeshare network.

[Edited 2003-07-11 13:14:43]


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User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2531 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 3042 times:

Airways :
Tunis-Zurich which run daily until Jan 03 used to have a connecting traffic.
Tunis-Geneva is more point to point service than a connecting one...
There is a large Tunisian community in Geneva and neighboring France and a lot of Swiss use this service for business or tourism. Tickets are quite expensive especially in Switzerland (around CHF600) for a 1h50 flight compared to may be CHF300 for the GVA-LHR service...

As Tunis lacks an Intercontinental service they should have kept the flight retiming it to connect to the New York service out of Geneva. I think it is more convenient to connect through GVA than CDG or FRA. Moreover, I think that people here trust more Swiss than Air France...

Anyway, I hope they'll keep their codesharing agreement with Tunisair, as I'm a Travelclub member and I have many points to redeem...




Next flights : BRU-ZRH-CAI (LX)/ BRU-FCO-TLV (AZ)
User currently offlineSwissgabe From Switzerland, joined Jan 2000, 5266 posts, RR: 33
Reply 17, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2977 times:

MAH4546
Several people told me that LAX has the lowest yield on North Atlantic due to a lot of leisure traffic. I'm sure that you are aware that transit pax (low/middle/high end) produce a lower yield than non-stop pax. No doubt, the loads are excellent between ZRH and MIA.



Smooth as silk - Royal Orchid Service /// Suid-Afrikaanse Lugdiens - Springbok
User currently offlineSr176 From Switzerland, joined Feb 2001, 409 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 2950 times:

What really astonishes me very much is that Lagos is stopped. That is usually a real moneymaker, as Malabo is. Maybe the reason is that quite a lot of airlines are serving Lagos.

User currently offlineAngelairways From United Kingdom, joined Nov 1999, 502 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 2927 times:

Lagos may be a good destination for airlines operating from Britain and other countries where people of Nigerian origin live, but not particularly for swiss...

as for the destination chopping.. its great to see it.. they should have done it ages ago.. about time they get in shape... they wanted the old world charm of massive route networks and luxury service, with fares to match.. but switzerland is after all a small country and with cost cutting measures and the reduction of overcapacity (they are cutting a lot of excess frequency) will help them become profitable again.

Their other problem is high operating expenses due to high labour costs in switzerland, and correct me if i'm wrong, but their pilots are among the highest paid (if not THE highest paid) in europe.

If these measures dont help.. the axe should chop chop chop a bit more.. and its time to furlough even more unnecessary staff... or reduce salaries (tough one.. the unions will rise up..)

unpleasant as it may be, tis the way to survive in the airline industry these days. (look at what BA did after 9/11 and how it has helped!)

[Edited 2003-07-11 15:22:47]

User currently offlineMD-11 forever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 2901 times:

@Angelairways

"Their other problem is high operating expenses due to high labour costs in switzerland, and correct me if i'm wrong, but their pilots are among the highest paid (if not THE highest paid) in europe."

You're talking about the good old days....... But these days, this doesn't apply anymore.

Back to topic, I also worry about whether all remaining destinations are making profit...... I really hope the LX management at least this time got their numbers right!!

Cheers, Thomas


User currently offlineDoorsToManual From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2804 times:

Interesting that there is no news about EZE...the girl at LX check-in told me in April that loads were dreadful, and that the flight from Brazil to Argentina was completely pointless.

My parents flew ZRH-GRU-EZE and watched most of the plane empty at GRU.


User currently offlineCV990 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2755 times:


Hi!

Huuuuffff! I'm glad SWISS is keeping LAX! I didn't want to be redirected to another US airport with AA and I was looking forward to fly in the new 343, that's good!
Now about the new 2003/2004 Winter Schedule I think it's a very reasonable, bright, honest effort from SWISS. The past of swiss aviation was founded in many routes all over the world and during a lot of time that was great, Switzerland was in the centre of Europe, so it was a great connecting point, also Swissair was a very reliable airline, people enjoyed flying them and they gave a great service, but the globalization of civil aviation around the world, the 9/11, low cost airlines, all that and many other things changed the approach of those strong airlines.
What I see now is SWISS is JUST going to fly routes that are profitable and routes that they expect will florish in the future.
I agree with most of those cuts, Africa unfortunetly is still a very volatile place to operate, BA, AF are well positioned there, even TP is quite solid there, they've been flying for more than 50 years, Sabena left a big hole there too, so SWISS leaving those places is not bad. Rio is also well cut/off, S. Paulo is ok to stay and there's always a huge air-bridge flying those 2 cities, Buenos Aires must be one of those places that SWISS expect to florish, Argentina is not in good shape but who's flying from there to Europe?

BA - 777
AF - 777
AZ - MD11
IB - 343 or 346?

And of course AR, but if we look closely SWISS can actually compete well with all of these, maybe BA would be the most competitive but looking to AZ and IB, I would really choose SWISS!
Middle East, India, China, that's ok too, there's a lot of flights going there so! In Europe, SWISS is keeping all their major european cities, the list of the ones that are dropping are 2nd. tier ones and some capital from eastern europe like Kiew and Sofia those ones were kept just to "show" swiss flad there!
SWISS is really wise keeping all their US cities, all of them can generate a lot of income, US travellers love to travel to Europe and Switzerland is still a place in their dreams. Don't forget that at this time SWISS is the only one flying to the real centre of Europe, Alitalia stopped flying LAX and I'm sure some of the italian traffic will re-direct via ZRH.
SWISS is tayloring their network to their reality and that's good.
Regards


User currently offlineMarcopolo747 From Brazil, joined Mar 2001, 460 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2726 times:


LX flights to South America are scheduled ZRH - GRU daily and then twice a week on to GIG and 4 times a week on to EZE. This involved 3 crews per flight. A Swiss FA earns around CHF 7500- a month. Just imagine what labour costs at Swiss must be.

From what I was told by Swiss local staff, LX 094/5 will fly ZRH-GRU only, GIG and EZE will be dropped. Load factors between the two points are around 97% !

An interesting development is that as of last March Lufthansa halted its Frankfurt - Buenos Aires - Santiago de Chile flights extended its GRU service to EZE four times a week and to SCL three times a week , and upgraded equipment from an A 343 to a B 744.

British Airways has also cancelled its LHR - EZE non-stop and now flies its 777s to EZE via GRU.

The TAM/VARIG merger will provide new opportunities on this route since it will be operated by them and AR only. TAM flies brand new A320s on the route but AR flies old an worn 73Ss


User currently offlineLfutia From Netherlands, joined Dec 2002, 3356 posts, RR: 31
Reply 24, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2698 times:
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Whyare they cutting DEL? Isn't a profitable flight? How is the BOM flights and ORD?

Leo/ORD



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25 Post contains images Plugger : Route changes come and go like fireflies on a summer breeze these days. Money talks and if it makes economic sense for LX to reinstate places like Rio
26 Marcopolo747 : CV 990 forgot to include KLM in his Europe to BUE list. They have a codeshare agreement with TAM. Their 743s fly AMS - GRU and passengers continue the
27 FLYYUL : Another one for the Swiss experts on this board. How is the Montreal route? They seem to have many a business class passenger since Swiss has secured
28 CV990 : Hi! Just to clear out, the airlines I stated normally fly their own airplanes to EZE. I think that's something you'll take in yr. evaluation, flying a
29 Swissgabe : DoorsToManual Depending on the season, EZE flights are excellent booked and compared to other stations they produce a very high yield. Especially fron
30 Boieng747-400 : GVA is severely hit but I stand more than certain that easyJet will come and replace them on a couple of routes (increase frequencies to Nice, create
31 MAH4546 : Several people told me that LAX has the lowest yield on North Atlantic due to a lot of leisure traffic. Yes, I have heard the same thing. I think Swis
32 Vasi : What about Tokyo. Will be flying to Narita in October, hopefully not on the A340! For how long will they keep the MD-11 on that route????? Keep on fly
33 CV990 : Hi! According with the homepage www.seatmap.com SWISS will change from MD11 to 343 on the 12nd. November 2003. Don't be mad, the MD11 is a great airp
34 KHI747 : The destination that surprises me is Jeddah....i always considered JED as a very sought after route by many airlines including European ones. The ques
35 Speedbirdyvr : I'm also surprised that MNL is still on the list. They already had a press release a few months ago saying that this route would be cut. But I suppose
36 MD-11 forever : @Marcopolo747 "A Swiss FA earns around CHF 7500- a month. Just imagine what labour costs at Swiss must be. " I really wonder where you got this inform
37 Panamair : Given that they plan to have only 18 international a/c (combo of 343s and 332s), I don't see how they can still keep flying to so many international d
38 Elal106 : Swiss will cease all operations at Bern Airport. (switzerland's capital)
39 Patroni : @Boeing747-400 (Tim) : Another notable fact is the retirement of all the Saab 2000 fleet, and the dropping of a couple of niche markets... From what I
40 FlySwiss : The current SWISS flight operation set-up will remain unchanged until November 2003 with a few exceptions including the reactivation of the Zurich/Hon
41 Standby87 : Conspiracy Theory doing the rounds: Swiss are dropping Lagos and keeping Dar es Salaam and Nairobi because Lufthansa don't fly there. So they're alrea
42 RJ100 : In my opinion the cabin crews (don't know about the others; cannot judge) are doing a great job despite the rough wind that blows into their faces! Th
43 Gerardo : RJ100: I agree 100%. The FA's are still providing that extra service, which makes every LX-flight a bit different, a bit above average. Regards Gerard
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