AIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2549 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (11 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3415 times:
I don't really understand why they are cutting Tunis and Casablanca... Load factores, especially in Summer are high and I don't think the yields are too bad. Well the question is : are they going to keep the codesharing agreement with Tunisair on the Tunis-Switzerland routes
Airways From Switzerland, joined Mar 2001, 880 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (11 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3382 times:
Air Malta: Casablanca and Tunis are nice destinations, but via GVA, there's probably not that much connecting traffic. With further cuts in GVA, even more transfer passengers to these destinations will be lost. And as it looks, the service is not profitable as a point-to-point connection.
I don't know about the yields, but I assume that both destinations have more leisure than business travel.
It's always sad to see destination cuts but if they don't make any money, it's better to stop flying there and settle with a codeshare agreement or something like that.
Airdolomiti From Germany, joined May 2003, 694 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (11 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3226 times:
They are withdrawing service to Venice too? That's too bad...from 3x daily service to ZRH to zero. Very sad, especially after rumours (not sure how reliable the source was, I just read it in the paper a while ago) that they would introduce bigger aircraft on the route.
Well, if it's for the survival of Swiss, so be it. I hope they can reinstate at least some of these axed routes in the future...
MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33446 posts, RR: 71
Reply 15, posted (11 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3134 times:
Yes, PEK and DEL surprised me as well and I was surprised that MIA wasn't mentioned.
MIA is thier most profitable trans-Atlantic destination from ZRH. Excellent premium loads, especially as Swiss as become a favourite carrier among Miami's South African and Israeli communities, both of which are mostly in the upper middle/upper class and bring in very high yields. Not to mention a key connection point with thier AA codeshare network.
AIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2549 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (11 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3069 times:
Tunis-Zurich which run daily until Jan 03 used to have a connecting traffic.
Tunis-Geneva is more point to point service than a connecting one...
There is a large Tunisian community in Geneva and neighboring France and a lot of Swiss use this service for business or tourism. Tickets are quite expensive especially in Switzerland (around CHF600) for a 1h50 flight compared to may be CHF300 for the GVA-LHR service...
As Tunis lacks an Intercontinental service they should have kept the flight retiming it to connect to the New York service out of Geneva. I think it is more convenient to connect through GVA than CDG or FRA. Moreover, I think that people here trust more Swiss than Air France...
Anyway, I hope they'll keep their codesharing agreement with Tunisair, as I'm a Travelclub member and I have many points to redeem...
Swissgabe From Switzerland, joined Jan 2000, 5266 posts, RR: 32
Reply 17, posted (11 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3004 times:
Several people told me that LAX has the lowest yield on North Atlantic due to a lot of leisure traffic. I'm sure that you are aware that transit pax (low/middle/high end) produce a lower yield than non-stop pax. No doubt, the loads are excellent between ZRH and MIA.
Smooth as silk - Royal Orchid Service /// Suid-Afrikaanse Lugdiens - Springbok
Angelairways From United Kingdom, joined Nov 1999, 503 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (11 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2954 times:
Lagos may be a good destination for airlines operating from Britain and other countries where people of Nigerian origin live, but not particularly for swiss...
as for the destination chopping.. its great to see it.. they should have done it ages ago.. about time they get in shape... they wanted the old world charm of massive route networks and luxury service, with fares to match.. but switzerland is after all a small country and with cost cutting measures and the reduction of overcapacity (they are cutting a lot of excess frequency) will help them become profitable again.
Their other problem is high operating expenses due to high labour costs in switzerland, and correct me if i'm wrong, but their pilots are among the highest paid (if not THE highest paid) in europe.
If these measures dont help.. the axe should chop chop chop a bit more.. and its time to furlough even more unnecessary staff... or reduce salaries (tough one.. the unions will rise up..)
unpleasant as it may be, tis the way to survive in the airline industry these days. (look at what BA did after 9/11 and how it has helped!)
CV990 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (11 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2782 times:
Huuuuffff! I'm glad SWISS is keeping LAX! I didn't want to be redirected to another US airport with AA and I was looking forward to fly in the new 343, that's good!
Now about the new 2003/2004 Winter Schedule I think it's a very reasonable, bright, honest effort from SWISS. The past of swiss aviation was founded in many routes all over the world and during a lot of time that was great, Switzerland was in the centre of Europe, so it was a great connecting point, also Swissair was a very reliable airline, people enjoyed flying them and they gave a great service, but the globalization of civil aviation around the world, the 9/11, low cost airlines, all that and many other things changed the approach of those strong airlines.
What I see now is SWISS is JUST going to fly routes that are profitable and routes that they expect will florish in the future.
I agree with most of those cuts, Africa unfortunetly is still a very volatile place to operate, BA, AF are well positioned there, even TP is quite solid there, they've been flying for more than 50 years, Sabena left a big hole there too, so SWISS leaving those places is not bad. Rio is also well cut/off, S. Paulo is ok to stay and there's always a huge air-bridge flying those 2 cities, Buenos Aires must be one of those places that SWISS expect to florish, Argentina is not in good shape but who's flying from there to Europe?
BA - 777
AF - 777
AZ - MD11
IB - 343 or 346?
And of course AR, but if we look closely SWISS can actually compete well with all of these, maybe BA would be the most competitive but looking to AZ and IB, I would really choose SWISS!
Middle East, India, China, that's ok too, there's a lot of flights going there so! In Europe, SWISS is keeping all their major european cities, the list of the ones that are dropping are 2nd. tier ones and some capital from eastern europe like Kiew and Sofia those ones were kept just to "show" swiss flad there!
SWISS is really wise keeping all their US cities, all of them can generate a lot of income, US travellers love to travel to Europe and Switzerland is still a place in their dreams. Don't forget that at this time SWISS is the only one flying to the real centre of Europe, Alitalia stopped flying LAX and I'm sure some of the italian traffic will re-direct via ZRH.
SWISS is tayloring their network to their reality and that's good.
Marcopolo747 From Brazil, joined Mar 2001, 460 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (11 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2753 times:
LX flights to South America are scheduled ZRH - GRU daily and then twice a week on to GIG and 4 times a week on to EZE. This involved 3 crews per flight. A Swiss FA earns around CHF 7500- a month. Just imagine what labour costs at Swiss must be.
From what I was told by Swiss local staff, LX 094/5 will fly ZRH-GRU only, GIG and EZE will be dropped. Load factors between the two points are around 97% !
An interesting development is that as of last March Lufthansa halted its Frankfurt - Buenos Aires - Santiago de Chile flights extended its GRU service to EZE four times a week and to SCL three times a week , and upgraded equipment from an A 343 to a B 744.
British Airways has also cancelled its LHR - EZE non-stop and now flies its 777s to EZE via GRU.
The TAM/VARIG merger will provide new opportunities on this route since it will be operated by them and AR only. TAM flies brand new A320s on the route but AR flies old an worn 73Ss