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Is EWR An Airport In New York Or New Jersey?  
User currently offlineRupertvander82 From France, joined Dec 2002, 411 posts, RR: 0
Posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 7323 times:

I'm wondering if EWR is considered part of New York or New Jersey. My cousin, who stays at New Jersey, says that EWR effectively is in New Jersey, not NY.

If his statement is true, then I see the rationale of airlines flying into both JFK and EWR. However, I've heard people telling me that EWR is part of New York, then my next question is, why do airlines fly into both JFK and EWR? E.g. SIA, LH, BA etc. Is there really such a big demand for international flights in two airports in New York?

Even if my cousin's statement is true, is there really a need for such huge international airlines to fly into New Jersey?

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User currently offlineC-GRYK From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 751 posts, RR: 36
Reply 1, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 7296 times:

EWR is located in the state of New Jersey, yet is worthy of it's status of an airport serving New York City.

In response to your questions regarding demand.... if there wasn't any demand, then there would be no flights.

Jeremy



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User currently offlineTekelberry From United States of America, joined May 2003, 1459 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 7283 times:

Newark, NJ is right across the river from NYC.

Regarding your other question, the same could go to the 2 London airports, the numerous Los Angeles airports, Chicago, Houston, etc. There is a lot of demand (more than 1 airport can handle) for those areas, especially New York.

[Edited 2003-07-11 10:37:13]

User currently offlineUSAJPNflyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 94 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 7278 times:

EWR is located in New Jersey. It is one of the three major airports serving the New York metropolitan area (the others being JFK and La Guardia).

Some people say that the travel time from EWR to downtown Manhattan is actually less than from JFK, due to logistics in transport. Also, EWR (being a Continental hub among other things) is said to offer more domestic USA connections than JFK.

JFK's strength lies in the breadth of world airlines serving it. It can be considered NY's link to the world.

As far as businesses are concerned, I read in Airways magazine that many corporations are headquarted or have major offices in the northern New Jersey area, where EWR is located. Thus it can be argued that there is sufficient demand for service from more than one New York-area airport.

A similar scenario is played out on a much smaller scale in the SF Bay Area. While SFO has almost all of the international air traffic in the region, there is a non-stop flight to Tokyo from SJC, served by AA.

Even though SFO and SJC are not even an hour's drive apart from each other, AA is able to serve the SJC-AA), Japan">NRT nonstop for a number of years now. The primary reason? To serve demand from Silicon Valley companies and persons located in the southern SF Bay Area. It seems to complement the five non-stops between SFO and AA), Japan">NRT quite well.


User currently offlineClipperNo1 From Germany, joined May 1999, 672 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 7213 times:

EWR shares the ICAO city code of NYC, so not even technically but also officially it is a New York airport.


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User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8142 posts, RR: 54
Reply 5, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 7153 times:

It's closer to Manhattan than JFK, by 2 miles. Indeed it was the main NY airport til Idlewild (renamed JFK on 31.12.63).

PS JFK was KIA (Kennedy International Airport) until Vietnam started to turn into a meat grinder.



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User currently offlineJETSTAR From United States of America, joined May 2003, 1650 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 7109 times:
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At one time Newark Airport was the only airport serving New York City until a former mayor of NYC complained that although his airline ticket read New York City as his destination, he landed in Newark Airport.

He then ordered an airport be built on a closed trash and landfill site on the North shore of the Borough of Queens abutting Flushing Bay and was opened in the late 1930’s

LaGuardia Airport then became New York City’s main airport and included
non-stop coast to coast flights by DC-6 & 7’s and Lockheed Connies.

JFK, nee Idlewild was opened in the mid to late 50’s to take over the long distance and international flights.

This mayor’s name, Firorello LaGuardia, hence LaGuardia Airport which was named after him after he died.


User currently offlineLa Carlota From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 358 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 7054 times:

Good point, ClipperNo1!
I was wondering if the same applies to BWI as far as considering it a Washington DC airport...
Any word on that?



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User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8904 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 6993 times:

I don't believe BWI falls under the Washington code of WAS.

As for EWR, it is for all purposes a New York airport. It is extremely easy to get to from Manhatten; between the frequent commuter trains from midtown, and the one train connection at Newark/Penn Station for those coming from the WTC area (once the PATH reopens in December). LGA can only handle flights as far as DEN and DFW, but EWR has pretty much every major destination in the United States non-stop, as well as international flights.

Jeff


User currently offlineClipperNo1 From Germany, joined May 1999, 672 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 6989 times:

Yes, BWI just like IAD & DCA carries the code WAS, despite the fact BWI is quite far outside of DC on Maryland territory and that UA once operated between IAD and BWI with BAe Jetstreams.


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User currently offlineCcrlR From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 2237 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 6989 times:
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If you don't know that the three airports are part of the Porth Authority(PAPD). If you go to their website you see all three including some other spots like TEB(Teterboro) and some helipads. That's why the Porth Authority Police take control of all three. If you ever go to one of the airports and get their airport guide, they have all three airport's flights there.


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User currently offlinePROSA From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5644 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 6944 times:

At one time Newark Airport was the only airport serving New York City until a former mayor of NYC complained that although his airline ticket read New York City as his destination, he landed in Newark Airport.
He then ordered an airport be built on a closed trash and landfill site on the North shore of the Borough of Queens abutting Flushing Bay and was opened in the late 1930’s
LaGuardia Airport then became New York City’s main airport


There also was an amusement park on the site, North Beach I believe it was called.



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User currently offlineScottb From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6793 posts, RR: 32
Reply 12, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 6935 times:

Actually, neither DCA nor IAD lie in the District of Columbia; they are both located in Virginia. Moreover, Dulles is only marginally closer in driving distance from central DC - 28 miles versus 31 miles to BWI. The fact that an airline operated flights between two of a city's airports is pretty irrelevant; CO currently operates IAH-EFD and operated IAH-HOU (with 737's on some flights) in the past.

Moreover, the location of an airport in a different state from the city it is said to serve is also irrelevant; Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky International Airport is located across the river in Kentucky, and CVG stands for CoVinGton, KY, not Cincinnati. But it's still the airport providing commercial air service to Greater Cincinnati.


User currently offlineJETSTAR From United States of America, joined May 2003, 1650 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 6926 times:
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PROSA, I believe you are right, North Beach Airport sounds familiar, before it was renamed LaGuardia

User currently offlinePROSA From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5644 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 6920 times:

Moreover, the location of an airport in a different state from the city it is said to serve is also irrelevant; Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky International Airport is located across the river in Kentucky, and CVG stands for CoVinGton, KY, not Cincinnati. But it's still the airport providing commercial air service to Greater Cincinnati.

Some New Yorkers, mainly the elites who live in the high-rent parts of Manhattan, have a rather provincial worldview in which anything west of the Hudson is wild uncharted territory. To them, EWR doesn't really count as a New York airport given its location.



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User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 6881 times:

If I'm not mistaken, even thought it lies in New Jersey, EWR is run by the Port Authority of New York. I could be wrong, and someone can gladly correct me if that's the case.

User currently offlineMikephotos From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 2923 posts, RR: 54
Reply 16, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 6849 times:

If I'm not mistaken, even thought it lies in New Jersey, EWR is run by the Port Authority of New York. I could be wrong, and someone can gladly correct me if that's the case.

It's the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey/PANYNJ.

Michael


User currently offlineJrlander From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 1105 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 6837 times:

EWR really is much more convenient depending on what part of Manhattan one might be. I just finished 2 years of graduate school in the Chelsea neighborhood, which is below 34th street on the West side. EWR was the most convenient airport, mostly because of the AirTrain going from Penn Station. Upper East Siders are very close to LGA, so that is the most convenient for them. It is still a strange political situation that LGA has no rail connection, though EWR has one and the one at JFK will soon open up. But that is sort of off topic.

User currently offlinePROSA From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5644 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 6827 times:

It is still a strange political situation that LGA has no rail connection

In its early years it did:
http://www.forgotten-ny.com/TROLLEYS/Jackson%20Tracks/jactrax.html



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User currently offlineJrlander From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 1105 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 6797 times:

PROSA:

Thanks! That link was fascinating!


User currently offlinePROSA From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5644 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 6778 times:

Forgotten-ny's a terrific site. It's also got pages on Floyd Bennett Field and the old Flushing Airport.
One of these days, maybe if I can get off work early some afternoon, I'd like to mosey on up to the LGA area and see if I can trace any more of the old trolley line. Hopefully there might be something within a block or two of the airport itself.



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User currently offlineFanofjets From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 1995 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 6728 times:

Also worth noting is that Newark Airport (sorry, I cannot get myself to say that "Liberty" stuff) is actually located in the city of Elizabeth, though Newark is a much larger city. Just a few miles to the south lies Linden airport, which caters to general (and some business) aviation. It must be quite a job keeping the traffic of the two airfields apart.


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User currently offlinePROSA From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5644 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 6674 times:

Also worth noting is that Newark Airport (sorry, I cannot get myself to say that "Liberty" stuff) is actually located in the city of Elizabeth, though Newark is a much larger city. Just a few miles to the south lies Linden airport, which caters to general (and some business) aviation. It must be quite a job keeping the traffic of the two airfields apart.

Actually, the northerly two of the three terminals is in Newark while the southernmost one is in Elizabeth. Or it might be one in Newark, two in Elizabeth, though I don't think that's it. In any event, there is a split. It is most significant with respect to taxi riders as cab rates in New Jersey vary depending upon the number of county lines crossed. Elizabeth's in Union County and Newark's in Essex County. As a result, the taxi fare for a trip into Manhattan (or most other destinations) from the Elizabeth terminal(s) is higher because there's a county line being crossed right in the airport.



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User currently offlineCapital146 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2003, 2125 posts, RR: 44
Reply 23, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 6641 times:

There is nothing wrong with the same international airline serving JFK and EWR. Both airports are known as serving the New York area, just as Heathrow and Gatwick serve London for transcontinental travellers. New York is a vastly populated city and justifies two international gateways.


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User currently offlineTimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6871 posts, RR: 7
Reply 24, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 6569 times:

Idlewild opened in 1948. It became JFK at the beginning of 1964; it was never officially designated KIA. Or unofficially, AFAIK.

I've never seen a DC-7 schedule into LGA, and my guess is there never was one. There was never a nonstop schedule from LGA to the West Coast-- tho TWA did show a nonstop-with-possible-fuel-stop 049 from LAX to LGA in 1947.


25 ContinentalEWR : Newark International Airport (now known as Newark Liberty International) has become the New York/New Jersey area's busiest airport, surpassing JFK and
26 Timz : EWR's runways don't straddle the Turnpike, of course.
27 ContinentalEWR : Well no....they don't, in the sexual framework. They are parallel to it.
28 Post contains links and images Carlos Borda : Some pics below showing how close EWR is to Manhattan NYC for those that don't already know... I can get from EWR into the Holland Tunnel by car in 15
29 Flyguy1 : JFK was the busiest NY area airport in 2002, FYI.
30 Ual767ord : This a joke. Right? EWR is in Newark, NJ.
31 Sllevin : EWR's nice for getting into Manhattan -- except for the fact that it costs almost twice as much for a taxi to run from EWR to midtown as it does from
32 Jrlander : Steve: You are totally right there. The taxi's are limited to their respective states. A taxi from NYC dropping you off at EWR can't pick up passenger
33 Post contains images Alpha 1 : Thanks Mikephoto's, at least I was half right.
34 Jetdeltamsy : it in new jersey. it's part of the port authority of new york system. daaa
35 Post contains images STT757 : "Also worth noting is that Newark Airport (sorry, I cannot get myself to say that "Liberty" stuff) is actually located in the city of Elizabeth, thoug
36 Alpha 1 : B747-437B, looking at that view from EWR at Manhatten, and seeing the Towers there, I can imagine what you were seeing out the window of that DL aircr
37 Dulles : Coming back to the DC area airports... BWI does fall into the WAS category, and most reservation systems would include BWI in response to a WAS-contai
38 Post contains images PROSA : When it comes to Lower Manhattan and the World Trade Center EWR is by far the closest and most conveinent airport to reach That statement gives us a p
39 Post contains links STT757 : Im not quoting any document, I prefer not to use the term "Ground Zero". It's the World Trade Center, the PATH station that's being rebuilt there is c
40 STT757 : "That statement gives us a pretty good idea of the date of the document from which you quoted" Making assumptions like that is probably why you are no
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