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Continental's 747-200s  
User currently offlineIslandHopper From United States of America, joined Feb 2003, 327 posts, RR: 2
Posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 3447 times:

Since jumping on the 747 bandwagon in the early 70s only to jump off it soon after, Continental hasn't been a fan of the 747. In fact, until I went to Mojave a couple years ago for the first time, I had no idea they had operated 747s since then. There were two parked 747-200s in CO newest colors at Mojave for a couple years, but on my most recent visit (last weekend), they had disappeared.


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Were these the only two 747-200s Continental operated? I'm assuming they inherited these oddballs from the People's Express merger. If not, where else did they come from? When did they park their 747 fleet? Finally, what happened to the two that were stored at Mojave...scrapped I assume?

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User currently offlineHlywdCatft From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5321 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 3281 times:

CO had more 747s than 2. I don't recall the exact number, but yes they all came from the People Express merger. Do a search on airliners.net photos and you will see CO 747s in their various stages after People Express- you will see them in actual People Express colors but with the red ball and Continental titles, then they get changed over to Continental red and gold before getting changed over to the blue and gold. I was at Mojave in 1999 and I saw 5 or 6 CO 747s parked there. I assume the 747s either probably went to a cargo airline or got scrapped.

User currently offlineAA61hvy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13977 posts, RR: 57
Reply 2, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 3276 times:

Didn't CO Micronesia have a couple too? On the LAX-HNL-GUM routes.


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User currently offlineUnitedFirst From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 478 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 3268 times:

Were the Boeing 747-200s ever configured with BusinessFirst (ie, the original seat that was on the DC10)?

-Derek


User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12119 posts, RR: 49
Reply 4, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 3225 times:
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CO had the 747's prior to the People Express merger to service there South Pacific flights to Australia and New Zealand. Tho they never had a huge fleet of them like NWA or UAL has. Also I believe CO Micronesia the largest plane they had was the DC10's.


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User currently offlineLindy field From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 3121 posts, RR: 14
Reply 5, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 3171 times:
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Here's a little illustrated history of Continental's 747s.

They flew 747-124s in the early 1970s with a burnt meatball on the tail.

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In the mid 1980s, more 747-100s and -200s were acquired in the People Express takeover.

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These were eventually painted into the full Continental scheme with rare meatball on the tail.

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They stayed on long enough to get the Bethune blue scheme.

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Continental Micronesia also operated the 747.

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User currently offlineJOSEMEX From Mexico, joined Oct 1999, 1539 posts, RR: 24
Reply 6, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 3157 times:

They did get configured with BusinessFirst seats. I flew HNL-NRT-HNL when BusinessFirst was just being inroduced and got a regular Business Class seat on the way out and BusinessFirst on the return a week later (at that time only a few planes had been reconfigured yet). It was in the early 90's, although I'm not sure about the exact year.

User currently offlineBigmo747 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 306 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 3106 times:

Josemex is right, they were configured with the new buisness first seats, i was lucky enough to fly on Buisness First between LGW and EWR in December 1994.

User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16883 posts, RR: 51
Reply 8, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 3076 times:

CO retired their last 4 747-200s in 1997 or 1998, they were operating Guam-Tokyo, and HNL-AA), Japan">NRT.

Former CO routes since 1989 that I can recall..

MIA-
LGW (taken over from Eastern), later sold to AA.

EWR-
LGW,Orly, Frankfurt, Madrid.

IAH-
AA), Japan">NRT via HNL, LGW

SEA-
AA), Japan">NRT

LAX-
HNL

HNL-
AA), Japan">NRT, Sydney, Melbourne, Auckland, Manila.



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User currently offlineContinentalEWR From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3762 posts, RR: 13
Reply 9, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 2911 times:

Continental's 747 fleet was a mixture of ex-PeoplExpress (themselves ex-AZ/IB) machines, as well as ex LH aircraft and perhaps a few factory fresh ones as well. There were a total of 8 I believe in the fleet, with the last ones retired in 1997. The 747's were often used on flights to and from Hawaii and to Tokyo, Guam, as well as to Europe (a few rotated on the EWR-FRA, LGW, ORY routes) and occasionally, IAH-LGW and IAH-ORY, before the Paris route was transferred to Roissy-CDG.

The 747 also operated CO's SEA-NRT route, but that was sold to AMR in '90 as CO entered Chapter 11 for the second time.

Basically, the 747 mainstay routes were:

IAH-HNL
LAX-HNL
HNL-NRT
HNL-GUM
GUM-NRT
SEA-NRT
EWR-FRA
EWR-MAD
EWR-LGW
EWR-ORY
IAH-LGW
IAH-ORY

I don't think Continental flew its 747's to Australia when it had services to Sydney. I believe the HNL-SYD route flew with a DC10-30.

ContinentalEWR


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16883 posts, RR: 51
Reply 10, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2873 times:

CO indeed flew 747s to Australia..

Melbourne..


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Melbourne (New colors)..


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CO also purchased Eastern's MIA-LGW flight, CO lfew MIA-LGW with 747s untill AA bought Eastern's Latin America routes.


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User currently offlineIslandHopper From United States of America, joined Feb 2003, 327 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2830 times:

Luv2Fly says "CO had the 747's prior to the People Express merger to service there South Pacific flights to Australia and New Zealand."

I was under the impression that CO dumped their initial 747s in the mid 70s and didn't own them again until the PE merger. So DID Continental own any during this time? When did they aquire the ex-LH birds and how many?


User currently offlineJustplanesmart From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 722 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2679 times:

The PeoplExpress 747-200B aircraft that went to Continental were early model ones from Alitalia (2 -243B) and Qantas (4 -238B); there were no former Iberia planes. Continental also acquired one early model -230B, which had flown with Lufthansa and British Caledonian.


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User currently offlineContinentalEWR From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3762 posts, RR: 13
Reply 13, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2598 times:

OK, my bad. Yes, CO flew to Australia with 747's and the ex-Iberia machines were actually a few of the DC10's.

ContinentalEWR


User currently offlineCody From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1932 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2549 times:

IslandHopper,

I think you are correct. The original 747's from the 70's were gone by 1977 or thereabouts. The 747 did not return to the Continental fleet until February of 1987 after the PEOPLExpress merger. Continental also used 747's (the ex PE ones) from EWR to DEN, LAX, and SFO.


User currently offlineIahcsr From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 3449 posts, RR: 42
Reply 15, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2474 times:
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CO picked up 8 747s from the PE merger (2 -100s: Ships 010/011, 6 -200s:Ships 020-025) and then acquired a 9th from BA(Ship 019). After retirement I know that Ship 010 flew for TWA for a while, but I believe the others, if not parted out, have remained unused ever since


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User currently offlineIslandHopper From United States of America, joined Feb 2003, 327 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2274 times:

I did a little research on airlinerlist.net and found out that CO returned their 1970-71 delivered 741s in 1974-75. The realities of the fuel crisis must have led to the returns.

They didn't get any more until the late 80s with the PE merger. In 1990, they bought one ex-LH 742. As stated, they got 8 747s from PE including 2 741s!!! Here is a 741 in the new colors:


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TWA leased ship 10 from 1996 until the 2000 AA merger, then scrapped. In addition, one 742 was sold to Tower Air in 1993, and another was leased out to Garuda in 1992.

They also had one of those wierd early 742s with only three upper deck windows!


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Certainly an interesting chapter in CO history.


User currently offlineStevenUhl777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2200 times:

"Burnt meatball"....awesome...thanks for the laugh! I loved it!

I flew on a CO747 on the MEL-AKL route 12/26/87 and then AKL-SYD 12/29/87.

When Sen. Elizabeth Dole was Secy. of Trans. under George Bush Sr., she took the SEA-NRT away from UA and handed it to Continental. Continental couldn't handle it, lost it to American. United got the authority back under Bill Clinton's administration and American since cancelled their SEA-NRT. So, United back on top! Go United!!!!!

I only fly United, but I will say that I'm glad Continental survived the Frank Lorenzo days. Given the alliance with NWA and DL, I sense a merger/consolidation there.


User currently offlineIslandHopper From United States of America, joined Feb 2003, 327 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2094 times:

Did Continental ever fly the 747 on any of its Atlantic routes?

User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12119 posts, RR: 49
Reply 19, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2086 times:
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Yes they did a few pictures on this site with them in LON for one.


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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16883 posts, RR: 51
Reply 20, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 1965 times:

CO 747s flew to LGW, Orly, Frankfurt and Madrid.

Mostly from EWR, although the IAH-LGW route did fly with a 747.



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User currently offlineTbear815 From United States of America, joined Jun 2003, 704 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1852 times:

Continental's early 747's flew LAX-HNL and, I believe ORD-LAX and were 747-100's (I think). "The Proud Bird with the Golden Tail" was one of the original 747 operators (I was in HNL when the inaugural came in and remember seeing Bob Six). Their marketing scheme was terrific. Each cabin was named as a "Room" and the planes had lounges all over. Then, the fuel crisis. Continental then was a far cry better then than CO today.

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