MCOtoATL From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 474 posts, RR: 4 Posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3466 times:
First, this is not the normal "When will NW get rid of their DC-9's" question.
I flew on two DC-9's this week - a DC9-30 from ATL-DTW and a series -50 on the way home. The planes were in great shape and looked modern and nice on the inside. I checked in on the automatic kiosks in both ATL and DTW and was given the opportunity to upgrade to First Class for $50, which I did. In fact, on the way to DTW I sat next to a retired captain for NW and we had a great conversation.
Anyway, in DTW I noticed that many of the DC-9's were using thrust reversers to pull out of the gate (these were all the series 30, whereas the -50's had tugs - I don't know if that was by design or coincidence.) What are the pros and cons of using thrust reversers out of the gate? I have heard that there are some potential hazards.
By the way, NW's new terminal at Detroit is really nice, modern, spacious, and clean.
L.1011 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 2209 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3429 times:
You can blow out windows. If something was on the ramp, it could be blown by the thrust into the window or the jetway. Just the sound on a Diesel 9 could blow out the window. I was in a park about 2 miles away from BOS and a 9 of FL went to t/o pwr. It was deafening. And the wind was blowing towards the DC-9.
MSYtristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3321 times:
DC-9's are only allowed to "powerback" at certain airports. One advantage is that the aircraft can depart more quickly, no waiting for the tug to be disconnected. It's a very loud procedure. Any airport that has limited room near the gate ramp area is pretty much off limits for powerbacking.
Dtwintlflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 301 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3253 times:
Talk about a workhorse...our 9's can and will obviously be around for some time. They are great in certain markets. Sure they are a little loud, and yes I too prefer the A319 or 320 but what are you talking about FLYYUL???The question was about whether you can use thrust reversers on the 50 series...yes you can by the way.. Maybe it was just coincidence, but we have been powered back before on a 50. It just depends on what block of gates at DTW and other factors determined by ground ops....
MCOtoATL From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 474 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3184 times:
"I only noticed the powerbacks of the NW DC-9s on the east side/street side of the Mac Terminal"
You are correct - that is where I saw them.
And while there are obvious advantages to newer aircraft, look at the financial aspect. I have a 1998 car that has 100,000 miles on it. It is paid for. Each month comes and goes, and there are no payments to be made. Sure I could buy a newer car that may be more economical and more reliable, but it would also cost more. Now, I can save money and one day buy a new car. As for NW and their DC-9's, I understand that they are paid for, and thus even if they have to spend a bit of money on repairs and fuel for the less economical planes, it still is not as expensive as buying new ones (at least apparently not yet.)
PSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7888 posts, RR: 27
Reply 12, posted (11 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2785 times:
DC-9's are always parked on the East (inside) of A concourse at DTW. Very rarely are they parked on the West side. The gates on the inside only handle DC-9 and A319 and on occasion an ARJ.
Powerbacks cannot be done when it is wet or snowy out as it will throw up the precip. from the ramp. If you are ever in the parking garage during a powerback it can be quite loud. I remember being there in the first few days after the WorldGateway opened and they had people with decibel meters out on the arrivals level measuring how loud the thrust reverse procedure was for bystanders.
Crj 900 From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 603 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (11 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2769 times:
Hey FLYYUL, i don't think the point of the thread was whether or not the A320 was a superior aircraft to the DC9, i think MCOtoATL was just making a comment and trying to find out about "powerbacks". Personally, I'd fly a DC9 anyday than "sparky the wonder jet".