Lgbguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1561 times:
FUEL STOP DUE TO THE HIGH PAX LOADS AND HIGH TEMPS WITH LOW ATOGS IN LAS...THE LAST FEW DAYS EVERY LONG HAUL OUT OF LAS,MDW AND PHX HAVE BEEN MAKING FUEL STOPS DUE TO HIGH LOADS AND VERY HIGH TEMPS AND LOW ATOGS..OUT OF EACH CITY..
MEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4416 posts, RR: 34
Reply 5, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1453 times:
Isn't an extra landing (fees, extra fuel to get up and down, late flights, missed connections) very expensive? I guess for a full 737 added costs for the airline will be like $5000. Can't the crew make the estimate with the pax, cargoloads and weatherforcast how much fuel they will burn, and then carry a little extra fuel?
nobody has ever died from hard work, but why take the risk?
Ss278 From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 65 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1384 times:
Its not a question of figuring out how much fuel you will burn. It is a question of how much revenue will you leave behind to fly nonstop, versus the cost of the fuel stop.
On hot days aircraft can be weight restricted. Hot air is thinner than cold air, hence it will produce less lift, thus an airplane cannot be as heavy on takeoff as on a colder day, using the same runways. You have a choice. Do I carry fuel or people and freight?
Leaving pax and freight behind = lost revenue. Will I be better off taking all the people and freight, hence maximizing revenue and making a fuel stop enroute, or, is it better to leave revenue behind and fly nonstop? It is hardly EVER better to leave revenue behind.
In this case, they could fly LAS-AMA nonstop with the fuel available and a full load, but not LAS-LIT, and obviously the fuel stop made economic sense.
Barney captain From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1072 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1364 times:
LAS was 115f yesterday. With the high terrain off the departure end of 25L, we are VERY weight limited due to high terrain to the west. We can actually carry more weight departing off of 7L (same piece of pavement) with up to a 10 kt tailwind. Fuel stops on a day like this are not uncommon, and in reality, not that big of a deal. We typically use places like MAF (Midland) and AMA because we can get in and get out with minimal time. The last time we had to make a fuel stop, we ended up only being @ 15 minutes late, total ground time was less than 10 minutes.