Continental From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5476 posts, RR: 21 Posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1942 times:
Hello! I am flying American to LGA from MSP which requires a stop in ORD! I took seats 18 both ways, windows so I can get some nice wing shots inflight. But I noticed that it's close to the engine! Is it really really loud, to the point where you can't talk!? Is is SUPER loud!? Please help, I'd like to know, or I might switch up to seat 8!
DeltaMD11 From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 1698 posts, RR: 38 Reply 2, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1858 times:
The F-100 is Stage 3 compliant, and you experience a little more noise towards the rear of the aircraft-as you would any aircraft. If you've flown on MD-80's (this is just to make a comparison), MD-80's are far louder than F-100's, both from the inside and on the outside (excluding the MD-90, of course). Of course in my opinion, no jet is really too loud. I'm used to hearing F-14's/-15's/-16's/-18's with the burners kickin', so nothing really bothers me. Oh that, and US Navy C-9B's that are unhushkitted. Have to love those JT8D-9A's without hushkits. Music to my ears. Luckily they fly over my home everyday, all day long
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Continental From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5476 posts, RR: 21 Reply 3, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1840 times:
Thanks. The flight after the MSP-ORD one is on a MD-80 and I'm in the back!! Is the F-100 and MD-80 louder than the 727? I was in the very last row of a Sun Country 727 in 2000, and it was ok. Lemme clear something up, is it so loud that you can't hear the person next to you, or hear your CD player?
Flaps From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 1115 posts, RR: 4 Reply 7, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1711 times:
I have found that the F100's can be rather loud towards the rear under certain circumstances, particularly during taxi and certain low speed operations. The noise Im referring to comes from the first stage fan and I havent heard it on every F100, just some of them. It is an irritating buzz, sort of like a vaccum cleaner with a loose belt. I dont have any operating experience with the Tay engines so I cant comment on what causes that sound.
I would welcome any insight on that sound, preferably from another pilot or a mechanic that has time on either the F100 or the Tay engine. Ive never been in the back of a UPS 727-100 so I cnat say if its a noise particular to the F100 or the Tay itself.
Turbulence From Spain, joined Nov 1999, 963 posts, RR: 24 Reply 8, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1661 times:
Loud? I think it is the most silent aircraft I have ever flown in. I flew JJ GYN-SSA with BSB stopover (my report here) and it was hard to believe we were off the ground if it was not obvious through the window. OK, we were sitting on row 1, but I went to the lavatory and the difference was not appreciable. Lately I have been on Iberia (ex-Aviaco) M88, row 11 (report soon to come) and although not annoying at all, engines were clearly audible.
Brick From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 1571 posts, RR: 8 Reply 10, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1642 times:
I have flown 100's of American Airlines F-100's, especially in the back (because I non-reved a lot when I was younger). They are one of the quietest aircraft currently in service in the United States right now.
Now the last few rows of a MD-80...oh my God! My Bose noise cancellation headphones are just enough to make it tolerable back there.
Flaps From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 1115 posts, RR: 4 Reply 13, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1528 times:
Perhaps I should clarify a little.
Engine noise and slipstream noise are about average to maybe a little below average for a rear engine jet. Of course it is extremely quiet up front, forward of about row 14. I too have flown aboard many AA F100's. At one time I was based in Chicago and living in Pittsburgh and made the commute every week. I chose AA about 90% of the time because all of their flights were either MD80's (my personal favorite) or F-100's.
Personally, I think the F-100 is more comparable to the Bac111 than the DC9 although it is quieter than both. The F-100 rides like the 111 (stiffer wing than the DC9), and it has the same little oval windows. The DC9/MD80 seats seem to be a bit wider, windows are larger etc.
Back to the noise issue. The absolute worst airline seat I have ever experienced is seat 31F on the US MD81. No window, right next to the first stage compressor, right in front of the lav with tons of vibration and a lot of yawing motion (very turbulent flight). My head still hurt four hours later when I checked into my hotel in Memphis. With that being a ten on the discomfort scale (mine anyway) row 18 on the F100 would be a five. If you have the chance to go up to row 8 take it. You wont be miserable in 18 by any means but row 8 would be much better in all respects.
Im still hoping for some insight from a qualified contributor (pilot or mech on the F-100) as to the possible source/cause of that buzzing fan I mentioned above.
BR715-A1-30 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 14, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1436 times:
THe MD-80 was not very loud in my opinion. It was just as quiet as the MD-90. I like the MD-80. The 717 has the "Buzz Saw" sound too. The BR715 is way overly quiet. Whenever I hear the buzz saw, you know its gotta be a Rolls-Royce.
Continental From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5476 posts, RR: 21 Reply 15, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1410 times:
Ok, the Fokker seems cool! I'll keep seats 18A and 18F for photos. Now, lol, the MD-80. I have seat 25 selected. I figured it's good for photos, I plan not to sit next to the engines LOL! Rows 22-27 are completely empty, which one is the best for photos of wing, and which one is the best for lowest noise!? Thanks guys, you've all been of great help!
Flynboy747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 93 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1388 times:
I've sat in the last seat of an MD-80 before and it was pretty loud. Not extremely loud though. You kinda get used to it after a while. When you get off the plane though, you won't be able to hear for a couple of minutes. I wouldn't be really mad if I was assigned to the last seat of a rear engine a/c again, but I would try to get it changed. The worst thing about the last seat in the MD-80 is that there isn't a window! So if you're claustrophobic or you want a view, you should definitely change your seat if your in that situation. I love the MD-80 though. Much better than the A319 or whatever its competitor was!!
Positive rate From Australia, joined Sep 2001, 2143 posts, RR: 1 Reply 18, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1208 times:
How loud is the F100 in comparison to it's older little brother- the F28? I've heard the F28 is very noisy both from inside and out, and if you are sitting towards the rear it's deafening. Is this true?
RayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 7694 posts, RR: 5 Reply 19, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1092 times:
The F28 is quite loud because the engines it uses (Rolls-Royce Spey) is a notoriously loud engine. That does explain why the BAe Trident 3E was actually louder than the Concorde at takeoff!
I think the F100's Rolls-Royce Tay engines are vastly quieter, and with a minor nacelle change the F100 could even meet the proposed ICAO Stage IV noise rules, which is 8 dB quieter than the Stage III noise rules.
Na From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 9605 posts, RR: 10 Reply 20, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1079 times:
Flying the Fokker 100 or MD-80s is actually a quieter experience than sitting in the latest 737NGs or A320s although I must say that I always was sitting not further back than the wing on these types. Sad that these types are disappearing slowly.