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United MD-80?  
User currently offlineUal767ord From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 156 posts, RR: 0
Posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3133 times:

Why didn't UA buy any of the MD-80 series??

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User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12150 posts, RR: 49
Reply 1, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3106 times:

I don't think UA operated any of the DC9 family of planes.


You can cut the irony with a knife
User currently offlineElwood64151 From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 2477 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3100 times:

The MD-80 never sold particularly well until AA really picked it up in the mid-80s. By then, UA had already decided to purchase the 737 and later they chose to buy A320s.

Why? Well, UA had always had a strong relationship with Boeing, partly because they had once been owned by Boeing. Why they went with Airbus, I don't know.



Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it in summer school.
User currently offlineCody From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1932 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2992 times:

Well, United DID in fact own some MD-80's.........Notice the word "own" not "operate". This was back during the original Frontier Airlines fiasco.

User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 4, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2965 times:

Blah blah blah, typical immature Airbus bashing. Add something logical or move on.

United was looking for a 727 replacement... and also a smaller plane with transcontinental range. The 737-400 and MD-88, which were all that was available at the time, are great planes, but didn't have the same economics as the A320, or the range.

The MD-90 wasn't yet available either... but its the same argument for DL and the MD-90. If the MD-90 had worked out a bit better, and Boeing didn't buy McD, they'd have a sizable fleet of them by now iso 737-800s.

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User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16371 posts, RR: 56
Reply 5, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2875 times:

The MD-80 never sold particularly well until AA really picked it up in the mid-80s. By then, UA had already decided to purchase the 737 and later they chose to buy A320s.

Not quite true. AA & TW committed to the MD-80 in 1982. UA did not add the 733 until 1987...until that time, their shorthaul fleet was based on the relatively old 721/722 & 732. There was plenty of oppy for UA to evaluate & order the MD-80.....it simply did not match their needs. Later, when UA was looking for a 722 replacement, the 734 was pitted against the 320. The 734 was less of a performer than the 320 despite the commonality with the 733. UA went Airbus and never looked back. I do agree with Gigneil's comment that had Boeing offered the 738 to UA, UA would likely have remained all-Boeing.





Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16371 posts, RR: 56
Reply 6, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2867 times:

Another comment.....as Cody said, when UA bought Frontier & inherited their fleet, they briefly owned the 5 Frontier MD-80's which were quickly removed from service and never flew for UA (let alone appear in UA livery). The Frontier 732 fleet however was integrated into the UA fleet. Indeed, these were the only advanced 732's in the UA fleet.




Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineHlywdCatft From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5321 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2796 times:

WHAT???

I thought Continental/Texas Air bought out the 1980s Frontier? I remember seeing MD-80s and 737s for Continental still in Frontier colors


User currently offlineHlywdCatft From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5321 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2757 times:

Frontier planes in Continental-


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User currently offlineFlyboy80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1881 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2674 times:

UA was planning on recieving NEW boeing 737-400s, however after they took over a lot of PanAm's routes, A lot of European nations wouldn't grant UA a lot of privilges unless they choose to fly the European product, Airbus, therefore UA decided that they would go with the Airbus 320 (Simple resolve to this childish blackmale, but remember, these were PRE STAR ALLIANCE DAYS when INTER EUROPEAN travel was operated by United), and 737-500s prior to the 320s, then they decided to just start taking delivery of A319s as they have even more fleet commonality, and are slightly larger than the 735, plus the 735 order was basically complete anyway.

User currently offlineN777UA From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2644 times:

One of the things United really likes about the A320 series is its ability to take containerized cargo in the belly...makes for easier loading I guess.

User currently offlineIMissPiedmont From United States of America, joined May 2001, 6346 posts, RR: 33
Reply 11, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2589 times:

Cody, I think I hate you.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

I was looking for the slam dunk on the little know fact. Too late again.

But I can add the registrations.

N9801F to N9805F all bought from FL in February 1985 and all sold to Polaris on Nov 17, 1989. All leased to FL/CO during that time. And all 5 served with CO until retirement.



Damn, this website is getting worse daily.
User currently offlineDavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7448 posts, RR: 13
Reply 12, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2473 times:
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A lot of European nations wouldn't grant UA a lot of privilges unless they choose to fly the European product,

Source? Evidence?

David


User currently offlineTriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4696 posts, RR: 42
Reply 13, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2445 times:

Yes, Flyboy80,

What are your sources except for a.net hearsay? Please enlighten me, I am more than willing to change my understanding of this topic if you can come up with credible sources.



Homer: Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!
User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16371 posts, RR: 56
Reply 14, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2381 times:

I recall the competition betw the 320 and 734 at UA. It was primarily based on their relative performance. The 734 did not meet UA needs for transcon service. I don't recall a concern about Euro landing rights.


Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineCody From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1932 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2282 times:

Texas Air did buy the original Frontier so to speak, however during the complex transaction United ended up with a good chunk of it. In fact, I once read they got more than Continental did.........hopefully someone else can provide the details.

IMissPiedmont........now is your chance to show me up. Are you up to the challenge??????  Smile


User currently offlineFlyboy80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1881 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2071 times:

Well i got the info from a UA employee, I didn't buy it at first ethier, so I asked another one, he is a captain on the 744 there. Basically what I stated was one of the major reasons for the Airbuses coming to United, if you all remember, UA was going to just fly A320s within europe before announcing wether or not they were going to fly ethier airbus or boeing planes in the USA back in the day when they had 722s based out of LHR. From what I was told the main problem came from the french, they have slot controlled airports or something? Hey, Im aware of the "heresay" of A.net, a lot of accurate and in-accurate info for sure! Non the less folks, this was more of a Contributing reason to the Airbus aircraft decesion, NOT THE ONE REASON! Also I dont recall UA every being interested with Transcon with the A320 until late in the 90s, I thought they orrig... going to have 57s and 67s do that? Then they changed their minds... They seem nutorius for that!

User currently offlineFlyboy80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1881 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2054 times:

Also I forgot to add, UA wasn't to impressed with the 320 because they thought it had to much belly space for North/South West coast routes!

User currently offlineElwood64151 From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 2477 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 1904 times:

I want to interject right now, that I was not Airbus bashing in my previous post. I simply stated that I didn't know why UA went with Airbus.

Previously, Gigneil wrote:

Blah blah blah, typical immature Airbus bashing. Add something logical or move on.

Here's what I wrote:

Why? Well, UA had always had a strong relationship with Boeing, partly because they had once been owned by Boeing. Why they went with Airbus, I don't know.

As for TW and AA buying MD-80s in 1982, AA at least was a limited order at that time. It wasn't until (I think) 1984 that they ordered a large number. I am not aware of the details of TWs purchases.



Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it in summer school.
User currently offlineTimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6903 posts, RR: 7
Reply 19, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 1866 times:

United got 25 732s from Frontier, right? And those were the only ex-Frontier aircraft they operated?

User currently offlineCody From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1932 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 1776 times:

Timz,

I believe you are correct. The 737-200's that came from Frontier were the only ones that flew in actual UAL colors. The MD-80's that United got from Frontier NEVEr flew in UAL colors. They were always leased to someone else (Continental?), but they did have "U" tail numbers.


User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16371 posts, RR: 56
Reply 21, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 1742 times:

United got 25 732s from Frontier, right? And those were the only ex-Frontier aircraft they operated?

It was 24 actually! All remained in service until retired en masse immediately post-911.




Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12150 posts, RR: 49
Reply 22, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1709 times:

UA bought the LHR slots from PanAm and since PanAm operated 727's and 737's in Europe why would it make a difference what anyone flew....


You can cut the irony with a knife
User currently offlineFlyboy80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1881 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1631 times:

Luv2fly: Educate ur self on the subject on then you'll know

User currently offlineUAL Bagsmasher From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 2148 posts, RR: 10
Reply 24, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1528 times:

UA's A319/320's are all bulk loaded. They do not have containers.

25 Ord : United chose the A320 over the 737-400 for many reasons. But it had nothing to do with gaining rights because it was a French aircraft. The real reaso
26 Post contains images TriStar500 : ORD, Thank you for clearing up the hearsay. Your summary pretty much resembles what I have read about the UA A320 deal before. It just bugs me when co
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