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Continetal Airlines Fleet Down To 3 Types?  
User currently offlineRkmcswain From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 222 posts, RR: 0
Posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3444 times:

In this article, the author claims "The airline, which once operated nine fleet types, will be at three fleet types with the retirement of the MD-80"

Isn't this wrong? Doesn't Continental operate the 777, 767, 757, 737 and MD-80? Take away the MD-80 and that leaves 4, not 3.



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User currently offlineJAL777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3433 times:

757/767 are considered 1 fleet type at Continental for some reason.

User currently offlineLaxflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 158 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3393 times:

I never could understand why they considered the two a common type. I am assuming its because the flight deck boys are qualified for both. Still doesn't make sense as they are two different types.

User currently offlineCdfmxtech From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1341 posts, RR: 26
Reply 3, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3389 times:

The 757/767 systems are considered 1 fleet type for GOOD reason!!

User currently offlineAtcboy73 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 1100 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3328 times:

Don't they have a lot of part commonality (757-767) and aren't cockpits are basically the same?

User currently offlineDIA From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3273 posts, RR: 27
Reply 5, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3303 times:

I never understood this myself. Trying to put the 752 and 764 in the same fleet type!? Maybe the similarities include everything but the skin!?

Anyone know why CO does this?



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User currently offlineBmacleod From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 2307 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3293 times:

I suppose then that European airlines such as AirFrance and Lufthansa that operate the 319, 320 and 321 should classify the 3 types as 3 in 1, right?


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User currently offlineBmacleod From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 2307 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3276 times:

The cockpits of the 744 and 777 are strikingly similar as well. Should they be classified as 1 type as well?


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User currently offlineDIA From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3273 posts, RR: 27
Reply 8, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3249 times:

Actually, Bmacleod, they airlines that operate the A32X series do classify them as one fleet type because they are. The A318, A319, A320, and A321 are basically the same a/c of differing stretches. Much like the 737-600, 737-700, 737-800 and 737-900.

But the 757 and 767 are different, at least to the eye.

Cheers,
DIA



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User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 9, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3238 times:

The handling differences of the 744 and 777 alone would warrant a different type classification.

The 757 and 767 were codeveloped, share extreme parts commonality, and a common type rating.

Its also reasonable to call A330s and A340s the same fleet.

N


User currently offlineDIA From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3273 posts, RR: 27
Reply 10, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3220 times:

"Its also reasonable to call A330s and A340s the same fleet."

This is another good example.

And, yes the 757/767 were codeveloped, but why the same fleet type?




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User currently offlineArtsyman From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4745 posts, RR: 34
Reply 11, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3196 times:

It isnt just Continental that considers them one fleet type. Look up profiles of pilots on here like rick767, clearly he flies both and is type rated for them both.

User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16885 posts, RR: 51
Reply 12, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3160 times:

I think all airlines that operate both the 757 and 767 consider them a single type, with pilots that can fly either a 757 or 767.

Both the 757 and 767 were developed on the same time, and were meant to incorporate a high degree of commonality (something strangely enough people wrongly assume Airbus to have "created").

I think one of the people to best talk about this is 777gk, a CO 757/767 pilot. Perhaps when he checks in on this site he will post his thoughts.



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User currently offlineDonder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6660 posts, RR: 21
Reply 13, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3141 times:

I thought the type rating covered both the 757 and 767 regardless if you fly both?Probably wrong though.
The 330 and 340 can be done with 1 pilot pool but needs a brief conversion course from 1 to the other and vice versa.


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16885 posts, RR: 51
Reply 14, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3099 times:

It's not that simple for pilots to just "switch" from a A330-A340, one's a two engine aircraft the other four.


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User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 15, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3085 times:

Isn't the conversion course a 3 day affair?

N


User currently offlineFutureFO From Ireland, joined Oct 2001, 3132 posts, RR: 21
Reply 16, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2889 times:

The 757/767 family is 1 type as you are checked out and given a dual type rating. This is done in most instances to keep crew hours low on both types.


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User currently offlineUpsmd11 From United States of America, joined May 2003, 816 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2843 times:
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At UPS our 757-200 and 767-300ER are considered one fleet type. Our crews can fly either of the aircraft. However, a friend of mind says that he usually stays on the 763 on his schedule. I'm not sure if other crewmembers have the same experiences or not.

John


User currently offlineElwood64151 From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 2477 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2809 times:

Still, the two aircraft are different types, and are of differing classes.

The 757 is a stretch narrowbody, while the 767 is a medium widebody. The 757-300 is about 20%-30% smaller (by seat count) than the largest 767, the 767-400. Even the 757-200 and 767-200 have up to 20% difference in overall seat count (and the 757-200 in 2-class configuration can actually carry more passengers than a typical 3-class 767-200). And that's just one characteristic. Let's ignore engines, body and wing structure, overall volume of space, and other factors.

In any event, I understand that they have a lot of commonality, but I would still regard them as separate aircraft.



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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2744 times:

he 757-300 is about 20%-30% smaller (by seat count) than the largest 767, the 767-400. Even the 757-200 and 767-200 have up to 20% difference in overall seat count (and the 757-200 in 2-class configuration can actually carry more passengers than a typical 3-class 767-200). And that's just one characteristic. Let's ignore engines, body and wing structure, overall volume of space, and other factors.

Using this [il]logic... one could conclude that the 736 and 739 are different types as well  Insane


User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8309 posts, RR: 23
Reply 20, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2692 times:

If you can be dual-rated, it's one fleet type. End of story.


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User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5873 posts, RR: 11
Reply 21, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2682 times:

The governments of the ruling nations (USA with FAA and EU with JAA) consider them one type of airplane, and that's good enough for me.

R


User currently offlineCdfmxtech From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1341 posts, RR: 26
Reply 22, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2663 times:

It's really weird. No one in these forums ever brings up the common rating between the B737-300/400/500 and the B737-Next Gen.
Aircraft aren't classified as common types because of the body shapes (you'd be surprised how many people in this forum probably believe that).

Continental flies 2 versions of the B767: the -200 and -400.
The -200 is bascially a widebody 757. There should be no debate as to whether the B757-200/300 and B767-200/300 are common types.
The debate arrises when the B767-400 is mentioned. The B767-400, is still a 767 systemwise. The flightdeck displays are different. But the overhead is the same as a B767-200. The method at which information is processed is different as well. (Data Concentrator Units replace EICAS computers) and Display Processing Computers replace Symbol generators).
But all of this should sound familiar. The B737 Next Gen displays are much different than the B737-300/500, but its overhead is the same.
The method in which information is processed is different (DEUs perform many, many functions, but essentially it replaces the symbol generators).

A crew that jumps from a B757 to a B767 has the same minimum transition as crew going from a B737-300 round-dial to a B737-800.

See my point??

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