Laxflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 158 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2381 times:
I never could understand why they considered the two a common type. I am assuming its because the flight deck boys are qualified for both. Still doesn't make sense as they are two different types.
Cdfmxtech From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1338 posts, RR: 29 Reply 3, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2377 times:
The 757/767 systems are considered 1 fleet type for GOOD reason!!
Atcboy73 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 1100 posts, RR: 3 Reply 4, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2316 times:
Don't they have a lot of part commonality (757-767) and aren't cockpits are basically the same?
DIA From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3273 posts, RR: 30 Reply 5, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2291 times:
I never understood this myself. Trying to put the 752 and 764 in the same fleet type!? Maybe the similarities include everything but the skin!?
Anyone know why CO does this?
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DIA From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3273 posts, RR: 30 Reply 8, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2237 times:
Actually, Bmacleod, they airlines that operate the A32X series do classify them as one fleet type because they are. The A318, A319, A320, and A321 are basically the same a/c of differing stretches. Much like the 737-600, 737-700, 737-800 and 737-900.
But the 757 and 767 are different, at least to the eye.
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Gigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16215 posts, RR: 88 Reply 9, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2226 times:
The handling differences of the 744 and 777 alone would warrant a different type classification.
The 757 and 767 were codeveloped, share extreme parts commonality, and a common type rating.
Its also reasonable to call A330s and A340s the same fleet.
DIA From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3273 posts, RR: 30 Reply 10, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2208 times:
"Its also reasonable to call A330s and A340s the same fleet."
This is another good example.
And, yes the 757/767 were codeveloped, but why the same fleet type?
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Artsyman From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4741 posts, RR: 43 Reply 11, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2184 times:
It isnt just Continental that considers them one fleet type. Look up profiles of pilots on here like rick767, clearly he flies both and is type rated for them both.
STT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16255 posts, RR: 52 Reply 12, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2148 times:
I think all airlines that operate both the 757 and 767 consider them a single type, with pilots that can fly either a 757 or 767.
Both the 757 and 767 were developed on the same time, and were meant to incorporate a high degree of commonality (something strangely enough people wrongly assume Airbus to have "created").
I think one of the people to best talk about this is 777gk, a CO 757/767 pilot. Perhaps when he checks in on this site he will post his thoughts.
Donder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6659 posts, RR: 23 Reply 13, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2129 times:
I thought the type rating covered both the 757 and 767 regardless if you fly both?Probably wrong though.
The 330 and 340 can be done with 1 pilot pool but needs a brief conversion course from 1 to the other and vice versa.
STT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16255 posts, RR: 52 Reply 14, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2087 times:
It's not that simple for pilots to just "switch" from a A330-A340, one's a two engine aircraft the other four.
Gigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16215 posts, RR: 88 Reply 15, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2073 times:
Upsmd11 From United States of America, joined May 2003, 799 posts, RR: 4 Reply 17, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 1831 times:
At UPS our 757-200 and 767-300ER are considered one fleet type. Our crews can fly either of the aircraft. However, a friend of mind says that he usually stays on the 763 on his schedule. I'm not sure if other crewmembers have the same experiences or not.
Elwood64151 From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 2477 posts, RR: 7 Reply 18, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 1797 times:
Still, the two aircraft are different types, and are of differing classes.
The 757 is a stretch narrowbody, while the 767 is a medium widebody. The 757-300 is about 20%-30% smaller (by seat count) than the largest 767, the 767-400. Even the 757-200 and 767-200 have up to 20% difference in overall seat count (and the 757-200 in 2-class configuration can actually carry more passengers than a typical 3-class 767-200). And that's just one characteristic. Let's ignore engines, body and wing structure, overall volume of space, and other factors.
In any event, I understand that they have a lot of commonality, but I would still regard them as separate aircraft.
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ConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 19, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 1732 times:
he 757-300 is about 20%-30% smaller (by seat count) than the largest 767, the 767-400. Even the 757-200 and 767-200 have up to 20% difference in overall seat count (and the 757-200 in 2-class configuration can actually carry more passengers than a typical 3-class 767-200). And that's just one characteristic. Let's ignore engines, body and wing structure, overall volume of space, and other factors.
Using this [il]logic... one could conclude that the 736 and 739 are different types as well
N766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 7990 posts, RR: 27 Reply 20, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1680 times:
If you can be dual-rated, it's one fleet type. End of story.
AA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5338 posts, RR: 11 Reply 21, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1670 times:
The governments of the ruling nations (USA with FAA and EU with JAA) consider them one type of airplane, and that's good enough for me.
Cdfmxtech From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1338 posts, RR: 29 Reply 22, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1651 times:
It's really weird. No one in these forums ever brings up the common rating between the B737-300/400/500 and the B737-Next Gen.
Aircraft aren't classified as common types because of the body shapes (you'd be surprised how many people in this forum probably believe that).
Continental flies 2 versions of the B767: the -200 and -400.
The -200 is bascially a widebody 757. There should be no debate as to whether the B757-200/300 and B767-200/300 are common types.
The debate arrises when the B767-400 is mentioned. The B767-400, is still a 767 systemwise. The flightdeck displays are different. But the overhead is the same as a B767-200. The method at which information is processed is different as well. (Data Concentrator Units replace EICAS computers) and Display Processing Computers replace Symbol generators).
But all of this should sound familiar. The B737 Next Gen displays are much different than the B737-300/500, but its overhead is the same.
The method in which information is processed is different (DEUs perform many, many functions, but essentially it replaces the symbol generators).
A crew that jumps from a B757 to a B767 has the same minimum transition as crew going from a B737-300 round-dial to a B737-800.
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