TriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4685 posts, RR: 47 Reply 2, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 3314 times:
Public paranoia?
As a European, I feel really sorry for our American spotter friends. At least at our airports it is now again possible to get pictures from visitor's decks, airport perimeter fences and from within the terminals (at least at most of the airports).
What terrorist would be so dumb and try to attack an airplane from a publicly visible and controlled place anyway?
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Jhooper From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 6195 posts, RR: 13 Reply 4, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 3206 times:
It really shouldn't be a problem, but you're better off remaining low key about it.
Last year 1,944 New Yorkers saw something and said something.
JayDavis From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 2000 posts, RR: 17 Reply 5, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3024 times:
Isn't it a shame that as Americans we cannot enjoy our hobby as much as other people throughout the world, when we are supposedly the land of the free?
I wonder if some airport has thought about building viewing terraces here in the US, like our European counter-parts? Maybe even charge an admission? I bet they could recoup their money in a couple of years.........
Vafi88 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3116 posts, RR: 18 Reply 6, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3011 times:
Because to them, we are terrorists, or atleast suspected terrorists.
I'd like to elect a president that has a Higher IQ than a retarted ant.
Luv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 11957 posts, RR: 51 Reply 7, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2936 times:
At the old DTW terminal there was a viewing platform and there was a minimum charge to go up there, it was over the C gates and I believe the entrance is still there, look for the steps right before security and you should see it, of course blocked off.
Redraider From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 531 posts, RR: 2 Reply 8, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2910 times:
Did Pudge Rodriguez take that picture? I thought he was supposed to be playing for the Marlins.
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ConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 9, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2660 times:
I wonder if some airport has thought about building viewing terraces here in the US, like our European counter-parts? Maybe even charge an admission?
Interesting idea. Assuming the price was reasonable (say... something like $9-15 for an all-day spotting pass), I'd say there are many who'd willingly pay up for the privelege to spot again in appropriate airport owned areas. Such prices wouldnt be all that much different from daily parking prices
Beltwaybandit From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 495 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2641 times:
If, after clearing security checkpoints, you can get ONTO an aircraft, then why in the world would it be a problem to get NEAR an aircraft? What can you do from the tarmac that you could not do from the ground? Throw your camera into an engine??? (I am referring solely to security risk here. I understand the obvious safety risks.)
Boeing757/767 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 2264 posts, RR: 2 Reply 11, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2631 times:
Does MSP have an observation deck? I'll be passing through there next week and want to visit. I thought I saw a photo here taken from the deck.
4everRC From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 322 posts, RR: 1 Reply 12, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2607 times:
That depends Boeing 757/767, do you consider the food court an observation deck?
Boeing 747-311 From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 795 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2581 times:
Wow that would be awesome if we could do that in the us, but we are all looking for the easy way out.
Continental From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5476 posts, RR: 21 Reply 14, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2555 times:
Boeing757/767. Yes, there is an observation deck. Perfect views of 30R/12L. It's ABOVE the food area, it's nice. It has seats. Since it's in the gate area, you'll need an airline ticket in order to get to it! I flew June 21st MSP-MDW-MSP, and I totally forgot about the observation deck! That was my bad! I fly AA to LGA on July 31st, so I'll make sure NOT to miss it this time! Before 9-11, I used to go down to MSP, go through security and stay in the observation deck for hours! I had many fun times there!
RIX From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 1785 posts, RR: 1 Reply 15, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2379 times:
As far as I understand, this is some special event but not what you can do at any European airport any time - so I don't see the point of "Why Can't We Do This In The U.S?" title at all... Normally you can't do it at any airport. You just can't be allowed to the airfield - and this has nothing to do with "public paranoia" (a very smart remark, I'd say...) as this is what we have everywhere since at least 70's. BTW, any time I asked permission to videotape an aircraft in the US, I was allowed to do it at once. Last time I tried to do the same in Europe, I was not. Sure, there might be a lot of opposite examples, but in general it looks pretty much the same here and there... So, again, such a picture with such a title look quite senseless...
Aviatortj From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1838 posts, RR: 8 Reply 16, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2358 times:
In addition to what CO said, the observation deck at MSP (although not on airport maps) is in the C concourse. According to the plug below, it is C1 to be exact. It is near some restaurants, but I would consider it more of a gate area than a food area. Anyways have fun, enjoy the many opportunities!
Jhooper From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 6195 posts, RR: 13 Reply 18, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2239 times:
Hey, I remember they used to have a "Run the Runway" fundraiser at DFW for United Way. Do they still do it?
Last year 1,944 New Yorkers saw something and said something.
DoorsToManual From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 19, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2195 times:
Just one example, taken from the FRA website:
"45 minute tour of the apron, during which there is plenty for you to experience. We will drive out with you past the terminals straight to the runways. Here you can see from up close how aircraft take off and land. Then we continue on to the freight area. There we will show you just what we transport day in, day out to the four corners of the world. From foodstuffs to automobiles and live animals, you will see everything being loaded that is needed on the other side of the globe.
Prices
Adults: 6,00 Euro
Minimum rate* 120,00 Euro
Youths up to age 15, disabled persons, students: 4,00 Euro
Minimum rate * The minimum rate is charged for groups with fewer than 20 persons.
Cptkrell From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 2553 posts, RR: 14 Reply 20, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2164 times:
At the recent Airliners International Convention in Columbus, one had to show a current government-issued picture I.D. just to register to take a tour of a freight facility, and, likewise it is now a requirement to get on the bus from the Air Force Museum at Wright-Pat to go over to the Presidential Aircraft Display. Security gone wild. Regards...Jack
Airworthy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 21, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2101 times:
I think the reason is that we have so many major airports than European countries do. It's fine for Germany to allow tours at FRA. But I don't think the US govt. is going to develop tours for LAX, JFK, MIA, DTW, ORD, MSP, PIT, DFW, MSY, and on and on.
I don't think we have the availability to do that here.
Jhooper From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 6195 posts, RR: 13 Reply 22, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1994 times:
IAH has a tour, but I'm not really sure how extensive it is.
Last year 1,944 New Yorkers saw something and said something.
767ALLTHEWAY From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 659 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1910 times:
Touching on an previously mentioned. I think that it would be great if that here, some airports if they so chose, could open up specific area's for spotting. Spotters go through security just like anyone else does, and after that were all set. So let them through up a security camera to supervise us, its not like an underpaid security agent staring at the monitors will notice one more camera. Its a damn shame that we cant do this anymore, with out worrying about getting carted off to be questioned or kicked off airport property. It stinks now having to drive around OUTSIDE airports trying to view and take photos of aircraft. - 767ALLTHEWAY
PS. And besides the employes of the airlines themselves. Were probably the most loyal group to the safety of aircraft and aircraft operations and their personel.
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