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Why Can't We Do This In The U.S?  
User currently offlineJhooper From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 6204 posts, RR: 12
Posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 5042 times:

Why can't we do this in the U.S???


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Last year 1,944 New Yorkers saw something and said something.
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User currently offlineAWA22 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 5019 times:

I say its a security risk and a safety risk and you know how lawsuit happy americans are.

User currently offlineTriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4693 posts, RR: 42
Reply 2, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 5001 times:

Public paranoia?

As a European, I feel really sorry for our American spotter friends. At least at our airports it is now again possible to get pictures from visitor's decks, airport perimeter fences and from within the terminals (at least at most of the airports).

What terrorist would be so dumb and try to attack an airplane from a publicly visible and controlled place anyway?



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User currently offlineNoelG From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 4943 times:

So when we go to the US, will I be alright to take photos from the departure gates etc?

Noel


User currently offlineJhooper From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 6204 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 4893 times:

It really shouldn't be a problem, but you're better off remaining low key about it.


Last year 1,944 New Yorkers saw something and said something.
User currently offlineJayDavis From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 2000 posts, RR: 16
Reply 5, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4711 times:

Isn't it a shame that as Americans we cannot enjoy our hobby as much as other people throughout the world, when we are supposedly the land of the free?

I wonder if some airport has thought about building viewing terraces here in the US, like our European counter-parts? Maybe even charge an admission? I bet they could recoup their money in a couple of years.........

Jay


User currently offlineVafi88 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3116 posts, RR: 17
Reply 6, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4698 times:

Because to them, we are terrorists, or atleast suspected terrorists.


I'd like to elect a president that has a Higher IQ than a retarted ant.
User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12099 posts, RR: 49
Reply 7, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4623 times:
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At the old DTW terminal there was a viewing platform and there was a minimum charge to go up there, it was over the C gates and I believe the entrance is still there, look for the steps right before security and you should see it, of course blocked off.


You can cut the irony with a knife
User currently offlineRedraider From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 531 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4597 times:

Did Pudge Rodriguez take that picture? I thought he was supposed to be playing for the Marlins.


My wife can't wrestle, but you should see her box.
User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4347 times:

I wonder if some airport has thought about building viewing terraces here in the US, like our European counter-parts? Maybe even charge an admission?

Interesting idea. Assuming the price was reasonable (say... something like $9-15 for an all-day spotting pass), I'd say there are many who'd willingly pay up for the privelege to spot again in appropriate airport owned areas. Such prices wouldnt be all that much different from daily parking prices  Big grin


User currently offlineBeltwaybandit From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 495 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4328 times:

If, after clearing security checkpoints, you can get ONTO an aircraft, then why in the world would it be a problem to get NEAR an aircraft? What can you do from the tarmac that you could not do from the ground? Throw your camera into an engine??? (I am referring solely to security risk here. I understand the obvious safety risks.)

User currently offlineBoeing757/767 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 2282 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4318 times:

Does MSP have an observation deck? I'll be passing through there next week and want to visit. I thought I saw a photo here taken from the deck.


Free-thinking, left-leaning secularist
User currently offline4everRC From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 325 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4294 times:

That depends Boeing 757/767, do you consider the food court an observation deck?  Big grin


Nobody served our republic like Republic!
User currently offlineBoeing 747-311 From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 795 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4268 times:

Wow that would be awesome if we could do that in the us, but we are all looking for the easy way out.


Come fly with US
User currently offlineContinental From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5516 posts, RR: 18
Reply 14, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4242 times:

Boeing757/767. Yes, there is an observation deck. Perfect views of 30R/12L. It's ABOVE the food area, it's nice. It has seats. Since it's in the gate area, you'll need an airline ticket in order to get to it! I flew June 21st MSP-MDW-MSP, and I totally forgot about the observation deck! That was my bad! I fly AA to LGA on July 31st, so I'll make sure NOT to miss it this time! Before 9-11, I used to go down to MSP, go through security and stay in the observation deck for hours! I had many fun times there!

co


User currently offlineRIX From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 1787 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4066 times:

As far as I understand, this is some special event but not what you can do at any European airport any time - so I don't see the point of "Why Can't We Do This In The U.S?" title at all... Normally you can't do it at any airport. You just can't be allowed to the airfield - and this has nothing to do with "public paranoia" (a very smart remark, I'd say...) as this is what we have everywhere since at least 70's. BTW, any time I asked permission to videotape an aircraft in the US, I was allowed to do it at once. Last time I tried to do the same in Europe, I was not. Sure, there might be a lot of opposite examples, but in general it looks pretty much the same here and there... So, again, such a picture with such a title look quite senseless...

User currently offlineAviatortj From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1838 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4045 times:

In addition to what CO said, the observation deck at MSP (although not on airport maps) is in the C concourse. According to the plug below, it is C1 to be exact. It is near some restaurants, but I would consider it more of a gate area than a food area. Anyways have fun, enjoy the many opportunities!



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User currently offlineDoorsToManual From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4001 times:

RIX, ramp tours are continuously available at various airports all over Europe - just need to pay the fee, and off you go on the bus.

Are there ramp tours in the US?


User currently offlineJhooper From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 6204 posts, RR: 12
Reply 18, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3926 times:

Hey, I remember they used to have a "Run the Runway" fundraiser at DFW for United Way. Do they still do it?


Last year 1,944 New Yorkers saw something and said something.
User currently offlineDoorsToManual From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3882 times:

Just one example, taken from the FRA website:

"45 minute tour of the apron, during which there is plenty for you to experience. We will drive out with you past the terminals straight to the runways. Here you can see from up close how aircraft take off and land. Then we continue on to the freight area. There we will show you just what we transport day in, day out to the four corners of the world. From foodstuffs to automobiles and live animals, you will see everything being loaded that is needed on the other side of the globe.

Prices

Adults: 6,00 Euro

Minimum rate* 120,00 Euro

Youths up to age 15, disabled persons, students: 4,00 Euro

Minimum rate * The minimum rate is charged for groups with fewer than 20 persons.


Come visit us in Europe!


User currently offlineCptkrell From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3220 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3851 times:

At the recent Airliners International Convention in Columbus, one had to show a current government-issued picture I.D. just to register to take a tour of a freight facility, and, likewise it is now a requirement to get on the bus from the Air Force Museum at Wright-Pat to go over to the Presidential Aircraft Display. Security gone wild. Regards...Jack


all best; jack
User currently offlineAirworthy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3788 times:

I think the reason is that we have so many major airports than European countries do. It's fine for Germany to allow tours at FRA. But I don't think the US govt. is going to develop tours for LAX, JFK, MIA, DTW, ORD, MSP, PIT, DFW, MSY, and on and on.

I don't think we have the availability to do that here.


User currently offlineJhooper From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 6204 posts, RR: 12
Reply 22, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3681 times:

IAH has a tour, but I'm not really sure how extensive it is.


Last year 1,944 New Yorkers saw something and said something.
User currently offline767ALLTHEWAY From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 659 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3597 times:

Touching on an previously mentioned. I think that it would be great if that here, some airports if they so chose, could open up specific area's for spotting. Spotters go through security just like anyone else does, and after that were all set. So let them through up a security camera to supervise us, its not like an underpaid security agent staring at the monitors will notice one more camera. Its a damn shame that we cant do this anymore, with out worrying about getting carted off to be questioned or kicked off airport property. It stinks now having to drive around OUTSIDE airports trying to view and take photos of aircraft. - 767ALLTHEWAY
PS. And besides the employes of the airlines themselves. Were probably the most loyal group to the safety of aircraft and aircraft operations and their personel.



"Courage is not the absence of fear, but rather the judgement that something else is more important than fear"
User currently offlineCerezoc From Puerto Rico, joined Jul 2003, 5 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3558 times:

sju have a deck call Aeroparque, and they charge a fee.

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