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New Regional Airline In Switzerland!  
User currently offlineRJ100 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 5111 times:

Hello

Moritz Suter, founder of Crossair, confirmed today that he is going to start a new regional airline in Switzerland. The first flight will take off on October 28th from Lugano to Geneva. This route will be flown thrice times daily. Fares starting at 159 CHF.

More news (airline name etc.) will follow soon.

They plan to operate ex-Swiss Saab-2000s on routes from Basel,Geneva, Lugano and maybe Bern to former Crossair/Swiss destinations.

Good luck Moritz Suter!

RJ100  Smile

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User currently offlineBestwestern From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 5097 times:

Fast forward eighteen months....

Another swiss regional carrier goes bankrupt!


User currently offlineBackfire From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 5096 times:

Didn't Flight International report this a few weeks ago?

User currently offlineRJ100 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 5085 times:

why? Crossair was very succesful and Moritz Suter proved enough that he knows the airline business well.

RJ100


User currently offlineBestwestern From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 5079 times:

Crossair was very successful - true - but crossair had its pick of profitable routes, and interline traffic from Swissair.

This carrier is hoovering up the non profitable Swiss routes with little interline traffic - hardly a successful business model.


User currently offline717fan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 5078 times:

Nice news! I wish him luck! Why no flights out of Zurich? Any agreement with Swiss?

User currently offlineRJ100 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 5064 times:

717fan: sorry for the mistake. I just forgot to list Zurich!

Bestwestern: ever thought about why Swiss is not profitable on so many routes? Because their cost level is way too high! The new airline will have much lower costs. Like Crossair...

RJ100


User currently offlineBestwestern From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 5046 times:

RJ:

How many Profitable Saab2000 operators are there out there?

My limited experience with the Saab2000 is that it is not a low cost prop aircraft - better to go for the ATR or Dash-8 equipment. The one Saab2000 company I worked with dropped the aircraft due poor passenger perception and high prop costs - they then went for the ATP - and eventually went back to all jet.

Swiss have high costs - correct, but the marginal routes have been dropped. What ever routes the new regional will pick up will be marginal for them too.

A Potential GVA route, which I thought was profitable was GVA-LCY

[Edited 2003-07-17 19:26:22]

User currently offlineRJ100 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 5027 times:

Well, Moritz Suter said that the Saab2000 is one option because Swiss is phasing them out. But you are right, there are other options.

Both BSL-LCY and GVA-LCY will be back soon, believe me! They were essential routes for Crossair with very high yields!

Regards,
RJ100


User currently offlineUnique From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4984 times:

Great! I soon see 559 ex-Crossair/ex-Swiss pilots applying for jobs with them...

Crossair was very successful...

...until Swissair asked them to cooperate and work as their feeder or having them crocked up. That was quite some years ago though...


User currently offlineRey777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4920 times:

Nice to see Moritz "en route" for a new adventure ! Good luck !

User currently offlineGerardo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4873 times:

Just to be precise: Moritz Sutter asks for nothing less than no taxes for ten years and only one symbolic Swiss Franc as landing fee, instead of 450.- That way, even SWISS would fly that route.

Gerardo


User currently offlineRJ100 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4827 times:

But keep in mind that SWISS asked for a few billions $$$ before they took off...

And why should they not ask for it? Linking Swiss cities with other cities is very important for the whole economy. And if the new airline is creating jobs, then every employee has to pay taxes so this is good as well.

Just my 0.02$.

RJ100


User currently offlineUnique From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4822 times:

RJ100, I agree with you for once... Big grin

User currently offlineRJ100 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4811 times:

@Unique:  Big thumbs up

RJ100  Smile


User currently offlineThomas_Jaeger From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4809 times:

As I know what the government of Ticino was offering to more or less every regional airline for setting up a Lugano-Paris and a Lugano-Rome flight, I think he will easily get this money from the local government ...

User currently offlineAIR MALTA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4779 times:

Good news in deed, hope they will pick the TUN-GVA and CMN-GVA routes before TU fills the gap...
Besides, I don't think those routes are marginal...


User currently offlineRJ100 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4681 times:

Hi AIR MALTA

Yes, some more Switzerland-Tunisia flights would be nice! But in a Saab2000? I don't know...it doesen't seem like a typical destination for a start-up regional carrier. But who knows...

Personally I think they will introduce LUG-BSL, BSL-LCY and GVA-LCY as their next destinations.

Regards,
RJ100


User currently offlineSwissgabe From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4675 times:

Well, getting all the permissions from the FOCA isn't that easy these days.

I really wonder why Suter goes to LUG iso BRN or BSL. I mean BSL should have some potential and so has BRN.


User currently offlineUnique From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4664 times:

Maybe it's just another tactical bragging...? I do dare Suter! I hope not...

User currently offlineRJ100 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4649 times:

Suter has deep relationships with the canton of Ticino. Some people there asked him to help as Lugano is not well connected with other cities. He agreed to set up something if the canton of Ticino would help him (taxes, landing fees).

But he said that only the beginning will be in Lugano. I'm pretty sure that he will build up the headquarters and main operation in BSL.

By the way does someone of you know what happened with the BRN-BRU flights. As far as I can remember Crossair was operating this flight earlier, right?
Could be a possible new route for InterSky or "SutAir".  Smile

RJ100


User currently offlineSwissgabe From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4634 times:

Well, from what I heard InterSky doesn't really make money on the current routes. I wonder if it's Bern, InterSky or the destinations they fly to.

The beginning in LUG sounds good. From what I have heard, Suter might have a HQ in France (near BSL). Labour costs are much cheaper for sure and I also think that it might be easier to set up a new carrier in France than in Switzerland.


User currently offlineRJ100 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4631 times:

Yes, already Crossair Europe was set up in the town of Saint-Louis, Alsace. It's just across the border. You can also avoid a lot of problems with the "Bundesamt für Zivilluftfahrt". But then I don't think they will be allowed to fly domestic services in Switzerland?! We'll see...

Best regards to Sri Lanka!
RJ100


User currently offlineSnoopy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 4533 times:

Regarding domestic Swiss flights: flying from GVA and BSL they could actually be considered international flights from France if the airline was registered in France.

User currently offlineBoieng747-400 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 4521 times:

Regarding domestic Swiss flights: flying from GVA and BSL they could actually be considered international flights from France if the airline was registered in France.

Yup. Just like any airline could fly GVA-BSL as a french domestic flight as both airports have swiss and french sides. I don't know why he would want to register in france though, look at the big difference in taxes between both countries...

Tim


25 Unique : Flying "abroad" from Switzerland means automatically higher fees and higher fuel costs (fuel has to be duty paid for international flights) while dome
26 RJ100 : Does anyone of you guys know if SWISS took over the old Swissair monopoly on some routes? I remember that there were some EasyJet/Swissair fights for
27 Thomas_Jaeger : No, this monopoly was lost after the bilateral agreements with the European Union have got effective. I think it still like this on domestic routes, b
28 Snoopy : "higher fuel costs " Actually, isn't it the other way round? Fuel on domestic flights is taxed but on international flights it's duty free? Well, that
29 Saab2000 : This is going to be great news if it is for real. I have a Saab 2000 rating, am current and will soon probably be looking for a job. BTW, it looks as
30 RJ100 : @Snoopy: you're right, until now fuel on domestic flights is taxed. I don't know about international flights, though. The Swiss government is now disc
31 Patroni : Well, as much as I loved the old Crossair and as much as I love to fly on the Saab 2000, I think a new regional airline can not be compared with the C
32 Snoopy : Patroni in many ways you are right, but the whole idea of a regional airline that operates aircraft like the Saab is that it should operate routes whi
33 Patroni : @Snoopy : >>feeding into a larger carrier's hub. This was the concept behind Crossair in the early days that made it so successful.
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