RJ100 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2000, 4107 posts, RR: 32 Posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3256 times:
Hello
Moritz Suter, founder of Crossair, confirmed today that he is going to start a new regional airline in Switzerland. The first flight will take off on October 28th from Lugano to Geneva. This route will be flown thrice times daily. Fares starting at 159 CHF.
More news (airline name etc.) will follow soon.
They plan to operate ex-Swiss Saab-2000s on routes from Basel,Geneva, Lugano and maybe Bern to former Crossair/Swiss destinations.
RJ100 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2000, 4107 posts, RR: 32 Reply 6, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3209 times:
717fan: sorry for the mistake. I just forgot to list Zurich!
Bestwestern: ever thought about why Swiss is not profitable on so many routes? Because their cost level is way too high! The new airline will have much lower costs. Like Crossair...
Bestwestern From Ireland, joined Sep 2000, 6510 posts, RR: 58 Reply 7, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3191 times:
RJ:
How many Profitable Saab2000 operators are there out there?
My limited experience with the Saab2000 is that it is not a low cost prop aircraft - better to go for the ATR or Dash-8 equipment. The one Saab2000 company I worked with dropped the aircraft due poor passenger perception and high prop costs - they then went for the ATP - and eventually went back to all jet.
Swiss have high costs - correct, but the marginal routes have been dropped. What ever routes the new regional will pick up will be marginal for them too.
A Potential GVA route, which I thought was profitable was GVA-LCY
Gerardo From Spain, joined May 2000, 3480 posts, RR: 34 Reply 11, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3018 times:
Just to be precise: Moritz Sutter asks for nothing less than no taxes for ten years and only one symbolic Swiss Franc as landing fee, instead of 450.- That way, even SWISS would fly that route.
Gerardo
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RJ100 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2000, 4107 posts, RR: 32 Reply 12, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2972 times:
But keep in mind that SWISS asked for a few billions $$$ before they took off...
And why should they not ask for it? Linking Swiss cities with other cities is very important for the whole economy. And if the new airline is creating jobs, then every employee has to pay taxes so this is good as well.
Thomas_Jaeger From Switzerland, joined Apr 2002, 2278 posts, RR: 31 Reply 15, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2954 times:
As I know what the government of Ticino was offering to more or less every regional airline for setting up a Lugano-Paris and a Lugano-Rome flight, I think he will easily get this money from the local government ...
Swiss aviation news junkie living all over the place
RJ100 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2000, 4107 posts, RR: 32 Reply 17, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2826 times:
Hi AIR MALTA
Yes, some more Switzerland-Tunisia flights would be nice! But in a Saab2000? I don't know...it doesen't seem like a typical destination for a start-up regional carrier. But who knows...
Personally I think they will introduce LUG-BSL, BSL-LCY and GVA-LCY as their next destinations.
RJ100 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2000, 4107 posts, RR: 32 Reply 20, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2794 times:
Suter has deep relationships with the canton of Ticino. Some people there asked him to help as Lugano is not well connected with other cities. He agreed to set up something if the canton of Ticino would help him (taxes, landing fees).
But he said that only the beginning will be in Lugano. I'm pretty sure that he will build up the headquarters and main operation in BSL.
By the way does someone of you know what happened with the BRN-BRU flights. As far as I can remember Crossair was operating this flight earlier, right?
Could be a possible new route for InterSky or "SutAir".
Swissgabe From Switzerland, joined Jan 2000, 5265 posts, RR: 36 Reply 21, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2779 times:
Well, from what I heard InterSky doesn't really make money on the current routes. I wonder if it's Bern, InterSky or the destinations they fly to.
The beginning in LUG sounds good. From what I have heard, Suter might have a HQ in France (near BSL). Labour costs are much cheaper for sure and I also think that it might be easier to set up a new carrier in France than in Switzerland.
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RJ100 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2000, 4107 posts, RR: 32 Reply 22, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2776 times:
Yes, already Crossair Europe was set up in the town of Saint-Louis, Alsace. It's just across the border. You can also avoid a lot of problems with the "Bundesamt für Zivilluftfahrt". But then I don't think they will be allowed to fly domestic services in Switzerland?! We'll see...
Snoopy From Switzerland, joined Oct 2001, 370 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2678 times:
Regarding domestic Swiss flights: flying from GVA and BSL they could actually be considered international flights from France if the airline was registered in France.
Boieng747-400 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 24, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2666 times:
Regarding domestic Swiss flights: flying from GVA and BSL they could actually be considered international flights from France if the airline was registered in France.
Yup. Just like any airline could fly GVA-BSL as a french domestic flight as both airports have swiss and french sides. I don't know why he would want to register in france though, look at the big difference in taxes between both countries...
Tim
25 Unique: Flying "abroad" from Switzerland means automatically higher fees and higher fuel costs (fuel has to be duty paid for international flights) while dome
26 RJ100: Does anyone of you guys know if SWISS took over the old Swissair monopoly on some routes? I remember that there were some EasyJet/Swissair fights for
27 Thomas_Jaeger: No, this monopoly was lost after the bilateral agreements with the European Union have got effective. I think it still like this on domestic routes, b
28 Snoopy: "higher fuel costs " Actually, isn't it the other way round? Fuel on domestic flights is taxed but on international flights it's duty free? Well, that
29 Saab2000: This is going to be great news if it is for real. I have a Saab 2000 rating, am current and will soon probably be looking for a job. BTW, it looks as
30 RJ100: @Snoopy: you're right, until now fuel on domestic flights is taxed. I don't know about international flights, though. The Swiss government is now disc
31 Patroni: Well, as much as I loved the old Crossair and as much as I love to fly on the Saab 2000, I think a new regional airline can not be compared with the C
32 Snoopy: Patroni in many ways you are right, but the whole idea of a regional airline that operates aircraft like the Saab is that it should operate routes whi
33 Patroni: @Snoopy : >>feeding into a larger carrier's hub. This was the concept behind Crossair in the early days that made it so successful.
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