AndrewAir From United States of America, joined Jul 2002, 361 posts, RR: 0 Posted (11 years 9 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 3158 times:
I am going to MNL from SFO on July 29. I will be flying on Japan Airlines and was wonder if anyone know how I can get a ride on the jumpseat during takeoff or landing? I know airliners in the US do not allow this but since its JL and i'm flying to Asia I thought it might be different.
Goboeing From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 2768 posts, RR: 15
Reply 1, posted (11 years 9 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 3119 times:
I don't know if it's permitted in the countries or airlines that you're flying in/on. But here's what I did and recommend you try. I flew BA from PHL to LHR and back. Write a letter before you go to the airport to the captain expressing your interest in aviation and say that you'd be very appreciative of a visit to the cockpit during the flight if it can be arranged. Give it to the flight attendant at the door and ask them to take it up front as soon as possible. I did this, and during the welcome aboard announcement, the same f/a came back to my seat and said "follow me." I ended up sitting jumpseat in this brand new 777 from pre-pushback to an hour later past Cape Cod. It was awesome. I did the same thing on the way back, and they let me up at cruise.
Goboeing From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 2768 posts, RR: 15
Reply 5, posted (11 years 9 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 3073 times:
That's really a shame. I'm glad I did that when I did then.
The weird thing is, when I was in England for a week, this was December 2000 and January 2001, a deranged passenger on a BA flight from LGW to Nairobi stormed the cockpit and had to be kept under control by the crew and some passengers. Two days later, I was let into the cockpit...that's why you need to let them know your a plane freak, not just some guy who want to look at all the colorful gauges.
Crosswind From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 2617 posts, RR: 57
Reply 6, posted (11 years 9 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 3061 times:
That may have been true in the past, but you won't get a jumpseat ride on British Airways now, or any other UK airline for that matter!
I'm lucky, I work for an airline, I can still do it for duty travel on our own flights - that's about it. Aside from the airline's own staff, the only other people allowed to travel on an aircraft flightdeck under current UK rules are CAA officials, plus a very a couple of very specialist categories, for example representatives of the aircraft manufacturer for operational research etc...
Anyone else will require approval from the CAA and Board of Directors of the airline
- neither of whom will grant approval!
XQ737 From Germany, joined Mar 2003, 103 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (11 years 9 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 2947 times:
some month ago I hade the same question on airliners.net.
You have given me the same tip as in your answer in this thread.
3 weeks ago, i had a flight on Iberia and two days before my flight I have written a letter. At the flight-day I have given the letter to the F.A. and as we begun to decent I was allowed to fly on the jumpseat. Starting from decent until docking at the boardingbridge.
Thank you for this great tip. That was my first jumpseat-flight!
Flyingbronco05 From United States of America, joined May 2002, 3841 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (11 years 9 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 2936 times:
Write a letter before you go to the airport to the captain expressing your interest in aviation and say that you'd be very appreciative of a visit to the cockpit during the flight if it can be arranged. Give it to the flight attendant at the door and ask them to take it up front as soon as possible.
That doesn't seem very smart now a days with security and stuff. I don't think handing a FA a letter is smart.
N949WP From Hong Kong, joined Feb 2000, 1437 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (11 years 9 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2773 times:
Hate to pour cold water on your enthusiasm, but with Japan Airlines, unless you can truly get something pre-arranged, I'd say your chances are close to zero. Even before 9/11, I asked a few times for flight deck visits on my JL flights AFTER we've parked at the gate, and the answer was always "no".
Apparently, the clampdown came as a result of an in-flight drama (in 98 or 99) on the flight deck of an All Nippon Airways domestic flight, where a visitor went berserk and stabbed the captain (who eventually died). Thankfully, the plane landed safely with the F/O in control and the attacker subdued. After that, there was a total ban on ALL flight deck visitors on all Japanese carriers. Can't imagine that they will relax the rule one bit, especially after 9/11, and Japanese are renowned for doing things by the book.
Cancidas From Poland, joined Jul 2003, 4112 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (11 years 9 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2643 times:
When I was on my way from DEN to LGA I was invited to ride jumpseat by the flight crew. They were both graduates of the school I was attending so that might be the reason why. When I was younger I got to visit the cockpit of a LOT 767 many times inflight. But that was before 9/11. As a pilot I understand the rule. I have tried recently but to no avail.
"...cannot the kingdom of salvation take me home."
Flightlevel From Canada, joined Jul 2003, 30 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (11 years 9 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2373 times:
I'm flying on Air Canada (domestic) in a month, no chance there either I guess...what if I showed them my license? Has anyone ever just given the crew there camera asking them to take a few pics if you're not allowed up?
Xnv From Canada, joined Jan 2000, 142 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (11 years 9 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2299 times:
No chance with AC, at least by their policy. Only deadheading flight crew are allowed to ride jump now, not even spouses of employees can go up. Even then it is Captain's discretion. Good luck, but don't get your hopes up on any airline unless you work for them.
Airportugal From Portugal, joined Nov 1999, 139 posts, RR: 10
Reply 20, posted (11 years 9 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2279 times:
I recently flew to Paris and back on AF and got a jumpseat from boarding time to deplaSning time on both flights. As I boarded I gave my business card to the F.A. and asked if I could say Hi to the crew. As I was preparing to seat down, she came back and said that the captain was inviting me to join him in the flight deck during the all flight. And the same thing hapened on my return flight. This also happens on my flights with other Portuguese airliners. And no, I don't work for an airline or anything related to them.
Captaingomes From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 6413 posts, RR: 55
Reply 22, posted (11 years 9 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2179 times:
Flightlevel, unfortunately it is a Transport Canada regulation, so you wont be able to get in there. I heard from most people that you had to be a pilot with the airline to fly in the jumpseat, however, I know two different individuals on the ground, one who works for Westjet and another who worked for Royal and now works for the GTAA as a ground controller, and both recently got jumpseat rides. They did know the pilots well though.
Luis, I'm flying to LIS next week and I really wanted to fly on SATA because I thought maybe there was a chance I would get to visit the flight deck and possibly even sit in the jumpseat for part of the flight. Too bad I couldn't get the dates I wanted, and I'm flying on Air Transat, where I know I can't visit the flight deck.
"it's kind of like an Airbus, it's an engineering marvel, but there's no sense of passion" -- J. Clarkson re: Coxster
CV990 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (11 years 9 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2120 times:
Does anyone know if SWISS is one of those that is really open to let people visit the cockpit? Maybe our swiss friends would know that!
About TAP, I know that these great crews always let people visit the cockpit, it's interesting when TAP was the first airline in the world to have an airplane hijacked in 1961, a L1049G CS-TLF comming from Marocco to Lisbon was forced to make a low flypast over LIS were the hijackers spread fliers against the regime and then flew back to Marocco again.