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User currently offlineAndrewAir From United States of America, joined Jul 2002, 361 posts, RR: 0
Posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3093 times:

Hi,

I am going to MNL from SFO on July 29. I will be flying on Japan Airlines and was wonder if anyone know how I can get a ride on the jumpseat during takeoff or landing? I know airliners in the US do not allow this but since its JL and i'm flying to Asia I thought it might be different.


Thanks in advance,

AMc

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User currently offlineGoboeing From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 2698 posts, RR: 14
Reply 1, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3054 times:

I don't know if it's permitted in the countries or airlines that you're flying in/on. But here's what I did and recommend you try. I flew BA from PHL to LHR and back. Write a letter before you go to the airport to the captain expressing your interest in aviation and say that you'd be very appreciative of a visit to the cockpit during the flight if it can be arranged. Give it to the flight attendant at the door and ask them to take it up front as soon as possible. I did this, and during the welcome aboard announcement, the same f/a came back to my seat and said "follow me." I ended up sitting jumpseat in this brand new 777 from pre-pushback to an hour later past Cape Cod. It was awesome. I did the same thing on the way back, and they let me up at cruise.

Good luck, and enjoy the trip!

Nick


User currently offlineUN_B732 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 4289 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3030 times:

That won't happen on Aeroflot..
-UN



What now?
User currently offlineElal106 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 975 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3025 times:

hey goboeing,

It is against BA's policy to allow anyone in the cockpit during the flight now. However i know there are a few airlines in asia that should still be allowing cockpit visits to passengers!!


cheers
elal106


User currently offlineLHR340 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2003, 877 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3016 times:

Try what Goboeing said, but a lot of airlines are now so security conscious you may get a no, it might be different if it was domestic flight, but this is international.

LHR340



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User currently offlineGoboeing From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 2698 posts, RR: 14
Reply 5, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3008 times:

That's really a shame. I'm glad I did that when I did then.

The weird thing is, when I was in England for a week, this was December 2000 and January 2001, a deranged passenger on a BA flight from LGW to Nairobi stormed the cockpit and had to be kept under control by the crew and some passengers. Two days later, I was let into the cockpit...that's why you need to let them know your a plane freak, not just some guy who want to look at all the colorful gauges.

Nick


User currently onlineCrosswind From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 2598 posts, RR: 58
Reply 6, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2996 times:
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Goboeing,
That may have been true in the past, but you won't get a jumpseat ride on British Airways now, or any other UK airline for that matter!

I'm lucky, I work for an airline, I can still do it for duty travel on our own flights - that's about it. Aside from the airline's own staff, the only other people allowed to travel on an aircraft flightdeck under current UK rules are CAA officials, plus a very a couple of very specialist categories, for example representatives of the aircraft manufacturer for operational research etc...

Anyone else will require approval from the CAA and Board of Directors of the airline
- neither of whom will grant approval!

Regards
CROSSWIND


User currently offlineXQ737 From Germany, joined Mar 2003, 103 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2882 times:

@ GoBoeing

some month ago I hade the same question on airliners.net.
You have given me the same tip as in your answer in this thread.

3 weeks ago, i had a flight on Iberia and two days before my flight I have written a letter. At the flight-day I have given the letter to the F.A. and as we begun to decent I was allowed to fly on the jumpseat. Starting from decent until docking at the boardingbridge.

Thank you for this great tip. That was my first jumpseat-flight!


User currently offlineFlyingbronco05 From United States of America, joined May 2002, 3840 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2871 times:

Write a letter before you go to the airport to the captain expressing your interest in aviation and say that you'd be very appreciative of a visit to the cockpit during the flight if it can be arranged. Give it to the flight attendant at the door and ask them to take it up front as soon as possible.

That doesn't seem very smart now a days with security and stuff. I don't think handing a FA a letter is smart.

When you board, talk to the crew.

FB05



Never Trust Your Fuel Gauge
User currently offlineJetboyTWA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 389 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2800 times:

Hey there,

In May of 2000, I flew LGW-BOS aboard Virgin Atlantic's 747-200, G-VZZZ .

I simply asked the stewardess while boarding if I could visit the cockpit, and she inquired with the captain.

A few minutes later, she invited me up to the flight deck.

I was able to sit up there from before pushback, all the way to cruise.

I must say that it was an experience like none other!!!

-Ryan


User currently offlineAndrewAir From United States of America, joined Jul 2002, 361 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 2744 times:

Thanks for the tips. I will write a letter, hopefully it will work.


AMc


User currently offlineN949WP From Hong Kong, joined Feb 2000, 1437 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2708 times:

Hate to pour cold water on your enthusiasm, but with Japan Airlines, unless you can truly get something pre-arranged, I'd say your chances are close to zero. Even before 9/11, I asked a few times for flight deck visits on my JL flights AFTER we've parked at the gate, and the answer was always "no".

Apparently, the clampdown came as a result of an in-flight drama (in 98 or 99) on the flight deck of an All Nippon Airways domestic flight, where a visitor went berserk and stabbed the captain (who eventually died). Thankfully, the plane landed safely with the F/O in control and the attacker subdued. After that, there was a total ban on ALL flight deck visitors on all Japanese carriers. Can't imagine that they will relax the rule one bit, especially after 9/11, and Japanese are renowned for doing things by the book.

'949


User currently offlineTT737FO From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 472 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2665 times:

>>>"I will be flying on Japan Airlines and was wonder if anyone know how I can get a ride on the jumpseat during takeoff or landing?

No chance in hell. As was stated above, unfortunate events led to the cockpit door being secured during boarding and de-planing. A permission slip from your mother won't cut it either.


User currently offlineAndrewAir From United States of America, joined Jul 2002, 361 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2604 times:

So I guess I have no chance to get a jumpseat ride. But would I still be able to go into the cockpit during boarding and de-planing?

Also I will be flying on Thai from MNL to Bangkok. Does Thia have the same policly as JL, no visits?




AMc


User currently offlineCancidas From Poland, joined Jul 2003, 4112 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2578 times:

When I was on my way from DEN to LGA I was invited to ride jumpseat by the flight crew. They were both graduates of the school I was attending so that might be the reason why. When I was younger I got to visit the cockpit of a LOT 767 many times inflight. But that was before 9/11. As a pilot I understand the rule. I have tried recently but to no avail.  Crying


"...cannot the kingdom of salvation take me home."
User currently offlineTT737FO From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 472 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2513 times:

>>>"So I guess I have no chance to get a jumpseat ride. But would I still be able to go into the cockpit during boarding and de-planing?"

No. The doors are secured. JAL crews follow strict guidelines to the letter.

The Chief Purser will give you a "Gomen Nasai".


User currently offlineAngelairways From United Kingdom, joined Nov 1999, 502 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2436 times:

hmmm..

do you think this letter thing will work on alitalia? i'm flying them soon (md80) so i was wondering...

anyone jumpseated alitalia?


User currently offlineFutureFO From Ireland, joined Oct 2001, 3132 posts, RR: 21
Reply 17, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2354 times:

I know that with US carriers there will be a definite NO. Only pilots of the carrier flying the trips are allowed to jumpseat.


I Don't know where I am anymore
User currently offlineFlightlevel From Canada, joined Jul 2003, 30 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2308 times:

I'm flying on Air Canada (domestic) in a month, no chance there either I guess...what if I showed them my license? Has anyone ever just given the crew there camera asking them to take a few pics if you're not allowed up?

User currently offlineXnv From Canada, joined Jan 2000, 142 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2234 times:

No chance with AC, at least by their policy. Only deadheading flight crew are allowed to ride jump now, not even spouses of employees can go up. Even then it is Captain's discretion. Good luck, but don't get your hopes up on any airline unless you work for them.

User currently offlineAirportugal From Portugal, joined Nov 1999, 139 posts, RR: 11
Reply 20, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2214 times:

I recently flew to Paris and back on AF and got a jumpseat from boarding time to deplaSning time on both flights. As I boarded I gave my business card to the F.A. and asked if I could say Hi to the crew. As I was preparing to seat down, she came back and said that the captain was inviting me to join him in the flight deck during the all flight. And the same thing hapened on my return flight. This also happens on my flights with other Portuguese airliners. And no, I don't work for an airline or anything related to them.

Luis Gonçalves


User currently offlineFlightlevel From Canada, joined Jul 2003, 30 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2158 times:

That's what I was afraid of... :-( Anyways, thanks for the reply.

User currently offlineCaptaingomes From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 6413 posts, RR: 55
Reply 22, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2114 times:

Flightlevel, unfortunately it is a Transport Canada regulation, so you wont be able to get in there. I heard from most people that you had to be a pilot with the airline to fly in the jumpseat, however, I know two different individuals on the ground, one who works for Westjet and another who worked for Royal and now works for the GTAA as a ground controller, and both recently got jumpseat rides. They did know the pilots well though.

Luis, I'm flying to LIS next week and I really wanted to fly on SATA because I thought maybe there was a chance I would get to visit the flight deck and possibly even sit in the jumpseat for part of the flight. Too bad I couldn't get the dates I wanted, and I'm flying on Air Transat, where I know I can't visit the flight deck.

Nuno.



"it's kind of like an Airbus, it's an engineering marvel, but there's no sense of passion" -- J. Clarkson re: Coxster
User currently offlineCV990 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2055 times:

Hi!

Does anyone know if SWISS is one of those that is really open to let people visit the cockpit? Maybe our swiss friends would know that!
About TAP, I know that these great crews always let people visit the cockpit, it's interesting when TAP was the first airline in the world to have an airplane hijacked in 1961, a L1049G CS-TLF comming from Marocco to Lisbon was forced to make a low flypast over LIS were the hijackers spread fliers against the regime and then flew back to Marocco again.
Regards


User currently offlineCaptaingomes From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 6413 posts, RR: 55
Reply 24, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2012 times:

CV990, I did not know about that incident! If only hijackings could be like that these days!


"it's kind of like an Airbus, it's an engineering marvel, but there's no sense of passion" -- J. Clarkson re: Coxster
25 Goboeing : I don't see how giving the F/A at the door is suspicious in any way. Nick
26 CV990 : Hi! Yes, that was long time ago. The pilot was from the first batch TAP sent to BOAC in late 40's, Captain Marcelino, one of the best TAP pilots. Whe
27 Boieng747-400 : Does anyone know if SWISS is one of those that is really open to let people visit the cockpit? Maybe our swiss friends would know that! I've tried be
28 CV990 : Hi! Thanks Tim, I'll try that, actually I have two kids but they don't cry anymore....but maybe they'll let me go with them and sneak around!!! I'll
29 Don : AndrewAir, I think TT737FO answered your questions very well. All his answers tells the correct situation. Just to add a little insight, A JAL 767 cap
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