NWAA330 From United States of America, joined Jun 2003, 213 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (11 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3305 times:
Northwest airlines is notorious, even among the majors for fighting competition out of their hub cities, let alone between two of them. If any airline were to cut into that market NW would triple capacity and slash fares incurring the loss until the competition left. The fares are among the lowest because there is no competition, if your going to MSP your stuck with paying it and NW isn't one to miss easy cash. Besides who would fly it?? No one would take on NW like that, not on their home turf.
SESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3489 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (11 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3287 times:
The only possible airlines who would fly it are Sun Country, Spirit, or WN. Spirit is obviously not interested in MSP and WN has done everything in their power to avoid the hub, Sun Country is now back to flying charters. NW is predatory when it comes to keeping airlines out of MSP. Look what they did to Sun Country. There's no demand either, NW has enough coverage with over 10 daily flights. DTW's metro pop. is about 5 milllion while MSP according to my book on our state says it at about 2.9-3.1 million. So they're large enough city pairs to support another carrier.
OzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5126 posts, RR: 21
Reply 5, posted (11 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3275 times:
If you were an airline CEO would YOU send your aircraft on a fool's errand between the two largest hubs of an incumbent carrier without a hub of your own on either end?
Only DL flies between ATL and CVG and SLC for the same reason. Only US flies between CLT and PHL and PIT. Only CO flies between IAH and CLE and EWR. Air Tran tried PHL-PIT, and left.
Luv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12113 posts, RR: 49
Reply 7, posted (11 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3222 times:
Yes NWA does own an interest in Champion Air. Also Sun Country and the scheduled service they offered to DTW was really just to position a plane to DTW to run a charter flight for the tour operator FunJet Vacations. Also they never did a whole lot to promote or publish these flights, and the on time performance left a whole lot to be desired. It really was not a well run program at all.
IndustrialPate From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (11 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3197 times:
Also Sun Country and the scheduled service they offered to DTW was really just to position a plane to DTW to run a charter flight ... Also they never did a whole lot to promote or publish these flights...
Huh? Sun Country flew DTW-MSP until 9-11 -- at that point, they no longer operated flights on behalf of Funjet ex-DTW. There were multiple dailies, utilizing B727 and DC-10 aircraft (maybe B738 toward the end)... the flights were bookable on all travel websites (e.g. Expedia, Travelocity, SunCountry.com) and Sun Country DID promote the flights -- they offered the "1-Day Mall of America" shopping sprees that were advertised all over the place (NW also offered the same thing).
Tekelberry From United States of America, joined May 2003, 1459 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (11 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3180 times:
The majors have a limited point-to-point network. The majority of their traffic is point-hub, hub-point or hub-hub. They only do point-point from focus cities. NW would drive any major out of any of its hub if it set up a focus city there.
In fact, take a look at the major's hubs. They're not as monopolized as NW's hubs.
ORD (AA, UA have major hubs)
DEN (UA, Frontier have major hubs)
DFW (AA-major hub, DL-mini-hub)
ATL (DL, FL have major hubs)
NYC (All majors focus on this market)
IAH (OK, I admit CO has pretty much monopolized this market, but that's only 1 hub)
I'm just talking about the major hubs here, CVG, CLE, MIA, etc don't count due to its limited hub size. I might be missing some here.
Also, if you want to fly DTW-MSP for less than what NW has published, AA is the only other airline that has lower published fares for this route. You would go DTW-MSP via ORD or STL.