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Why Doesn't Any Airline Fly DTW-MSP Besides NWA?  
User currently offlineRajivvyas From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 113 posts, RR: 0
Posted (11 years 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3276 times:

Any idea why there are no non-stop flights on this route when the fares are among the highest?

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User currently offlineNWAA330 From United States of America, joined Jun 2003, 209 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (11 years 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3244 times:

Northwest airlines is notorious, even among the majors for fighting competition out of their hub cities, let alone between two of them. If any airline were to cut into that market NW would triple capacity and slash fares incurring the loss until the competition left. The fares are among the lowest because there is no competition, if your going to MSP your stuck with paying it and NW isn't one to miss easy cash. Besides who would fly it?? No one would take on NW like that, not on their home turf.


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User currently offlineNWAA330 From United States of America, joined Jun 2003, 209 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (11 years 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3231 times:

The sentence in the previous response should read:

"The fares are among the HIGHEST..."

Sorry
NWAA330



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User currently onlineSESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3466 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (11 years 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3226 times:

The only possible airlines who would fly it are Sun Country, Spirit, or WN. Spirit is obviously not interested in MSP and WN has done everything in their power to avoid the hub, Sun Country is now back to flying charters. NW is predatory when it comes to keeping airlines out of MSP. Look what they did to Sun Country. There's no demand either, NW has enough coverage with over 10 daily flights. DTW's metro pop. is about 5 milllion while MSP according to my book on our state says it at about 2.9-3.1 million. So they're large enough city pairs to support another carrier.

Jeremy


User currently offlineHlywdCatft From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5321 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (11 years 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3216 times:

Champion could possibly start scheduled service between the two if they chose to go scheduled- both airports see a lot of Champion Air and I believe it is based at MSP

User currently onlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5001 posts, RR: 21
Reply 5, posted (11 years 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3214 times:

If you were an airline CEO would YOU send your aircraft on a fool's errand between the two largest hubs of an incumbent carrier without a hub of your own on either end?
Only DL flies between ATL and CVG and SLC for the same reason. Only US flies between CLT and PHL and PIT. Only CO flies between IAH and CLE and EWR. Air Tran tried PHL-PIT, and left.



Next Up: STL-LGA-RIC-ATL-STL
User currently offlineAirlinelover From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 5580 posts, RR: 23
Reply 6, posted (11 years 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3176 times:

NW owns a controlling share of Champion though.. They still see $$ if Champion does well.. If you want to take another carrier, take a connection!!  Smile

Chris



Lets do some sexy math. We add you, subtract your clothes, divide your legs and multiply
User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 49
Reply 7, posted (11 years 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3161 times:

Yes NWA does own an interest in Champion Air. Also Sun Country and the scheduled service they offered to DTW was really just to position a plane to DTW to run a charter flight for the tour operator FunJet Vacations. Also they never did a whole lot to promote or publish these flights, and the on time performance left a whole lot to be desired. It really was not a well run program at all.


You can cut the irony with a knife
User currently offlineIndustrialPate From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (11 years 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3159 times:

Sun Country DID fly between DTW/MSP (and used DC-10 at one point!) but got their butts kicked by NW (which flew almost 20 daily flights at one point, including a half-dozen on DC-10).

Champion could possibly start scheduled service between the two if they chose to go scheduled- both airports see a lot of Champion Air and I believe it is based at MSP.

FYI: The flying Champion does ex-MSP and ex-DTW is on behalf of MLT Vacations -- wich is wholly owned by NW.


User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7521 posts, RR: 28
Reply 9, posted (11 years 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3142 times:

NW recently just sold their 40% stake in Champion

User currently offlineIndustrialPate From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (11 years 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3136 times:

Also Sun Country and the scheduled service they offered to DTW was really just to position a plane to DTW to run a charter flight ... Also they never did a whole lot to promote or publish these flights...

Huh? Sun Country flew DTW-MSP until 9-11 -- at that point, they no longer operated flights on behalf of Funjet ex-DTW. There were multiple dailies, utilizing B727 and DC-10 aircraft (maybe B738 toward the end)... the flights were bookable on all travel websites (e.g. Expedia, Travelocity, SunCountry.com) and Sun Country DID promote the flights -- they offered the "1-Day Mall of America" shopping sprees that were advertised all over the place (NW also offered the same thing).


User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 49
Reply 11, posted (11 years 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3132 times:

Thanks for that info, interesting to hear? Should be good for Champion in the long run.


You can cut the irony with a knife
User currently offlinePROSA From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5630 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (11 years 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3129 times:

Okay, I can understand that Southwest and Spirit wouldn't go up against NW on the DTW-MSP route. But how about FNT-RST?


"Let me think about it" = the coward's way of saying "no"
User currently offlineTekelberry From United States of America, joined May 2003, 1459 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (11 years 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3119 times:

The majors have a limited point-to-point network. The majority of their traffic is point-hub, hub-point or hub-hub. They only do point-point from focus cities. NW would drive any major out of any of its hub if it set up a focus city there.

In fact, take a look at the major's hubs. They're not as monopolized as NW's hubs.

ORD (AA, UA have major hubs)
DEN (UA, Frontier have major hubs)
DFW (AA-major hub, DL-mini-hub)
ATL (DL, FL have major hubs)
NYC (All majors focus on this market)
IAH (OK, I admit CO has pretty much monopolized this market, but that's only 1 hub)

I'm just talking about the major hubs here, CVG, CLE, MIA, etc don't count due to its limited hub size. I might be missing some here.

Also, if you want to fly DTW-MSP for less than what NW has published, AA is the only other airline that has lower published fares for this route. You would go DTW-MSP via ORD or STL.

[Edited 2003-07-18 06:15:06]

User currently offlineAirlinelover From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 5580 posts, RR: 23
Reply 14, posted (11 years 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3097 times:

PSU- Thanks..  Smile I didn't know that

Chris



Lets do some sexy math. We add you, subtract your clothes, divide your legs and multiply
User currently offlineIndustrialPate From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (11 years 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3084 times:

Also, if you want to fly DTW-MSP for less than what NW has published, AA is the only other airline that has lower published fares for this route. You would go DTW-MSP via ORD or STL.

A walk-up DTW-MSP-DTW fare is about ~$1100+ inclusive. A walk-up DTW-MDW-MSP-MDW-DTW fare is about ~$400 inclusive.


User currently offlineRajivvyas From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 113 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (11 years 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3000 times:

From what I remember, the stake in Champion was sold off by Spirit few months back.

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