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Egad, CLE Lost All Mainline US!  
User currently offlineRedngold From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 6907 posts, RR: 45
Posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2599 times:

I just noticed that Cleveland Hopkins has now lost all mainline USAirways service. We lost mainline PHL service just before 9/11 and as of yesterday I noticed that Mesa is now serving the CLT-CLE route.

Sheesh. Things must still really be bad in Arlington.


 Sad redngold

[Edited 2003-07-18 23:00:50]


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User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 50
Reply 1, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2566 times:

Prior to 9-11 we had a few MetroJet flights and after 9-11 they left, also the US club they had here in CLE and now all mainline flights.


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User currently offlineRedngold From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 6907 posts, RR: 45
Reply 2, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2550 times:

I didn't think of MetroJet as mainline since the system was run independently via a hub at BWI.


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User currently offlineOuboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4482 posts, RR: 22
Reply 3, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2462 times:

Cleveland went to Mainline Express several months ago. This allows for U to fly mainline in there on a seasonal need without having to have mainline people working the flights.

Things aren't bad at the Crystal Palace...they are doing what should have been done years ago, right sizing the markets the carrier serves. Expect to see more cities go RJ as time progress. However, the glimer of hope will be the Embraer 170 and 190 aircraft coming on deck which will restore mainline service to quite a few cities.



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User currently offlineNcflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 472 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2395 times:

I'll bet AA is next, once STL is downsized, CLE will only have 1 mainline a day, to MIA, and given that MIA is now serving Eagle from PIT and CMH to MIA, can CLE be far behind? CLE is slowly turning in to a fortress hub for CO, CO has never dominated in CLE the way DL has in CVG or USAir in PIT, but that must be changing through the years, even as CO rightsizes post 9/11.

It is noteable that many smaller markets, such as CMH, RDU, get much better mainline service as spokes that CLE does.


User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 50
Reply 5, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2333 times:

Now that you mention it I could see AA going to all regionals as well. Also I do consider MetroJet mainline as they flew 737's as compared to all the regionals US is giving to the CLE market. I remember years ago flying both AA and UA between DTW and ORD and doing it in a DC10! Those were the days.


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User currently offlineAIR757200 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1579 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2224 times:


Well, you can't just assume that CLE's AA MIA flight will go Eagle just because other neighboring cities have MIA Eagle flights. Economics folks. Does this sole MIA flight have high yields? Heavy amounts of cargo? A lot of factors need to added into the equation. If the answer is no, then yes, that MIA flight may switch to Eagle.


User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8094 posts, RR: 24
Reply 7, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2198 times:

And Delta is downsizing. MD-80s are going to 737-200s on about half the routes. Even CLE-CVG was downgraded to FRJs for half the schedule.


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User currently offlineDan2002 From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 2055 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2191 times:

Shit all I see here now is USX, UAX, COX, AE, NW Airlink Rj's i miss those good ol days where you could book on NW or UA CLE-ORD on a DC-10 and LIKE IT!!!.


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User currently offlineNcflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 472 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2069 times:

air757200, yeah that's quite obvious that if CLE yields support an MD80, then an MD80 it will be. And neighboring cities have nothing to do with what aircraft serve CLE. But, the fact that Eagle is now serving CMH and PIT indicates that AAEagle jets now have the range to serve such a long route, that's something you couldn't say a year or two ago. And, how economic can it be to have a mainline jet in only once a day?

User currently offlineTLHFLA From United States of America, joined May 2003, 589 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2032 times:

I am suprised to see that AA has no mainline service DFW-CLE. I would think there would be a possbility of mainline service returning with the flights to STL disappearing.


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User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 1976 times:

I am suprised to see that AA has no mainline service DFW-CLE. I would think there would be a possbility of mainline service returning with the flights to STL disappearing.

I would imagine like CO before it, AA realized the yields on the CLE-DFW market just don't work in the present enviornment with a mainline jet. Maybe in the future it might, but airlines are looking to cut losses, not increase them these days.  Smile

As for US going to all Express, and AA doing basically the same thing, it might bode well for CO/COEX in the short term, as competition has been reduced on some shared markets. I do not see a mainline 735 going to STL, at least not short-term, but perhaps when yields are better, you MIGHT see it, perhaps running a 735 CLE-STL-IAH. But again, even if/when things improve, that's highly problematical.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32193 posts, RR: 72
Reply 12, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 1878 times:

Don't worry, MIA-CLE is not going to Eagle. In fact, the just introduced MIA-PIT is being upgraded to mainline service in November, and they are adding MIA-IND mainline service. Miami is very much a mainline market. In fact, the only reason we have MIA-CMH ERJs is because CMH is an ERJ maintence base and its good use of ERJs that would otherwise be sitting in Columbus all weekend. While there has been a lot of talk about expanding Eagle out of MIA, it seems to have been just that. There were rumours of a major Eagle expansion this November, but instead, as the winter schedule released today shows, its a major mainline expansion.


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User currently offlineContinentalEWR From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3762 posts, RR: 13
Reply 13, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 1863 times:

Ironically, CLE was a busy station for US Air in the early 1990's. They had flights to Boston, Baltimore, Washington/National, Pittsburgh (jet and express), Philadelphia, Newark, LaGuardia, Dayton, Indianapolis, Kansas City, and other places, although it wasn't a hub. MetroJet operated a flew flights into CLE for US Air as well in the late 1990's.

I believe US had CLE-YUL (Montreal/Dorval) service as well.

ContinentalEWR



User currently offlineNcflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 472 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 1858 times:

Well, it does like 3 Md80s are coming back in the fall to serve Chicago, leaving 5 Eaagles in the market, so Cleveland is making up some of the lost mainline flights to STL. But DFW remains solidly Eaagle. That one really surprises me, I realize that DFW-CLE may not be the greatest market, but DFW has some pretty unique west coast service that you can't get nonstop out of CLE.

Redngold, to your point, I think you're right in that CO won't rush to add mainline to STL, that simply hasn't been their strategy out of CLE. But I did notice that WN is cutting out one of their 3 n/s to St. Louis in the fall (down to 2), so this all has to be very good news for CO's yields!


User currently offlineRedngold From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 6907 posts, RR: 45
Reply 15, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 1803 times:

From what I've seen, AA does very well with its single MIA-CLE MD80. We have a significant (and growing) Hispanic population in the city and there are lots of families with relatives in MIA, or who use the flight to connect to Carribbean/Central America destinations.

Interesting to see that WN is cutting STL... I'd like to see at least one daily N/S to MCO or TPA, however. We need to break through this regional non-stop set-up.


redngold



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User currently offlineTonyctnyc From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (10 years 9 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 1725 times:

Pretty soon all thats going to be left of USAirways IS gonna be express carriers.

User currently offlineFlyERAU From Australia, joined May 2008, 1 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (10 years 9 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 1694 times:

For those of you looking for US in CLE we had a A330 diversion from PIT today around 3:30. I arrived from PIT at 2:10 and the ride was incredible to say the least. I've never experienced worse turbulence but then again everytime I've been on one of the Saab flights it's been a decent day - weatherwise. Anyone else get to see the 330?

User currently offlineThunder9 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 219 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (10 years 9 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 1668 times:

>> Sheesh. Things must still really be bad in Arlington

Yes Redngold, it looks like the Texas Rangers are gonna finish last in the American League West once again! :-(


As to the other folks who replied to your post, I have a couple of thoughts. First, just because one airline reduces service/seat capacity from one city, doesn't mean that another carrier will automatically come in and replace those seats with their own seats. The market has gone "cheap" on most every route in the continental US. Because of that, the industry just can't afford to have one carrier "move in" to fill the void when another carrier reduces service.

Second, most people in small & medium size cities should really expect to see nothing but RJ's & maybe even some turbo-props in their home airports for years to come. Mainline service will start to become a dinosaur, due to the low fares paid to ride those planes, and the relatively high costs associated with operating them. It's unfortunate, but the days of full-service DC-10's flying into mid-sized cities is long gone...



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