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User currently offlineHlywdCatft From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5321 posts, RR: 6
Posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2213 times:

ORLANDO, Fla. (July 17) - Airport security workers found a loaded handgun stuffed inside a brown teddy bear that a 9-year-old boy was carrying on a trip home after his family's Florida vacation, authorities said Thursday.

The FBI is investigating how the gun got inside the teddy bear.

A Transportation Security Administration worker noticed the outline of a gun when the bear passed through an X-ray machine at Orlando International Airport on Saturday.

The TSA found a loaded .22-caliber gun after the bear was opened. The boy's family told investigators that the bear was a gift from a girl at the hotel where they stayed during their Orlando vacation.

''She appeared at their hotel room door and offered them the bear,'' said Robert Johnson, a TSA spokesman in Washington. ''The mother said it was OK and so the boy took it.''

The Miami Herald reported that the gun had been concealed by cutting a half-inch hole at the bottom of the bear, and that the gun had been reported stolen in 1996 in California.

Johnson said the incident ''underscores the need to screen everyone and everything no matter how innocent the people or their belongings may appear.''

The boy's parents, Robert and Angela Barry of Grove City, Ohio, were questioned by FBI agents and released. The boy turned 10 on Monday.

From her home in suburban Columbus, Angela Barry said she didn't want to talk about what happened until the FBI investigation was finished.

''I want every way possible for them to find out who did this,'' she said.

The FBI did not immediately return a phone call seeking comment.

AP-NY-07-17-03 2129EDT

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User currently offlineDlx737200 From United States of America, joined May 2001, 1947 posts, RR: 19
Reply 1, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2170 times:

Very Interesting. I'm glad I'm not flying out of Orlando. I flew out of there on the 11th but I'm glad that already passed. I will be flying back there though on the 21st but I hope nobody brings a teddy bear through security at IND. At least the TSA agents saw it!!!! TTYL! Happy flying!

-Justin  Smile


User currently offlineWMUPilot From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 1473 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 2150 times:

I'm reminded of a Robin William's comedy sketch..

"according to the constitution we have the right to bare arms or the right to arm bears. What ever the hell you want."



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User currently offlineHlywdCatft From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5321 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 2106 times:

Yeah I give TSA credit for staying awake on the job for that one.

If that had gotten by, it would be time to get rid of the TSA once and for all.


User currently offlineIMissPiedmont From United States of America, joined May 2001, 6332 posts, RR: 33
Reply 4, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2044 times:

What is wrong with this picture?

''She appeared at their hotel room door and offered them the bear,'' said Robert Johnson, a TSA spokesman in Washington. ''The mother said it was OK and so the boy took it.''

The Miami Herald reported that the gun had been concealed by cutting a half-inch hole at the bottom of the bear, and that the gun had been reported stolen in 1996 in California.

Johnson said the incident ''underscores the need to screen everyone and everything no matter how innocent the people or their belongings may appear.''

The boy's parents, Robert and Angela Barry of Grove City, Ohio, were questioned by FBI agents and released. The boy turned 10 on Monday.

From her home in suburban Columbus, Angela Barry said she didn't want to talk about what happened until the FBI investigation was finished.

''I want every way possible for them to find out who did this,'' she said.

An unknow woman appears at the hotel room and gives the boy a bear with a gun inside? Why? I suspect the truth is a bit different than stated and "someone" (cough, cough mom or dad) thought that it would get through security. Much simpler to use 4th class USPS.



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User currently offlineUALPHLCS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2019 times:

So the very next time someone gives anyone a hassle because the TSA screens children and elderly people remember this incident.

In addition, why are we NOT asking the question, "Has a stranger given you anything to carry on board today?" I always thought that was the most sensible question to ask people. But that was dicarded as a ineffective joke.

Well, now we see what can happen and why those questions where asked. ANyone who ever griped about being screened or aswering "dumb" questions should have to shut up now, when reminded that situations like this DO occur.

Kudos to the TSA for catching it.


User currently offlineN844AA From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1352 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2001 times:

IMissPiedmont, I couldn't agree with you more. Maybe I'm not very imaginative, but I can't think of a single reason why someone truly unconnected with this family would want to put a gun into their possession in this fashion. Frankly, I'm shocked the authorities believed them; the whole scenario just sounds so illogical and far-fetched. It's equally surprising to me that no one in the family noticed that the bear was suspiciously heavy. A handgun weighs a couple of pounds, right?

I sense a bit of a double-standard here; every so often, some poor bastard living in a state with concealed handgun laws shows up at the airport still packing heat and gets to spend several hours in a white room with unpleasant gentlemen. I'm not saying that kind of reaction is wrong or unfair in the slightest, but what is unfair is that this family gets to go on their merry way because of the excuse, "Uh, that's not ours. Some ... stranger gave us that"? I think I tried that excuse once with my parents after they found a bottle of liquor I really shouldn't have had. It didn't work then, and I don't see why it should now.



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User currently offlineHlywdCatft From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5321 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1970 times:

Yeah the TSA searches elderly people and children, but they don't search the Arabs enough. I doubt the little boy was going to pull out the gun and hijack the plane.

Yet I never see a TSA person check an Arabs turban or the woman's veil. They could hide C4 under those.


User currently offlineHamad From United Arab Emirates, joined Apr 2000, 1160 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1913 times:

HlywdCatft, what is exactly your problem? in every post you have to bring up that they do not research arabs with turbans! i do understand that 19 a**holes brought down 4 planes and killed 3000 people, but this incident did not even involve an arabic person as i understand. You just keep bringing this up and up, Dude, if you have a problem with Arabic people then just take it out of here, especially when it is not relevant!


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User currently offlineWadha From United Arab Emirates, joined Mar 2000, 185 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1903 times:

just ignore such comments, you don't want to start an endless nonsense race arguments, Racists are all over the place

User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16335 posts, RR: 56
Reply 10, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1891 times:

i do understand that 19 a**holes brought down 4 planes and killed 3000 people, but this incident did not even involve an arabic person as i understand.

The American psyche changed on 9-11...and you need to understand this Hamad. 19 Arab men launched a racist attack against the US on that day & killed 3000 Americans. While the above comment was perhaps unnecessary, can you really blame any Americans for making them?

if you have a problem with Arabic people then just take it out of here, especially when it is not relevant!

Americans are hardly racist. The US has been changed from a largely white society into a multi-cultural society in one generation. Perhaps when Arab countries allow widespread Christian immigration, we can compare racists in the US to racists in the Arab Middle East.

you don't want to start an endless nonsense race arguments, Racists are all over the place

Yes, they are......in particular the UAE rulers who deny Indian immigrants the rigfts of citizenshiip in the UAE just because they are Indian. How do you feel about this Wadha?






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User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1861 times:

Dissapointed, I thought something like this had landed,



User currently offlineCiro From Brazil, joined Aug 1999, 662 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1849 times:

Yyz717, you said it all. When Caucasians have a hard time understanding Arabs, they are labeled "racists". However, when Arabs do the same, they call it "cultural differences". - "Yeah... Christians cannot visit Mecca or Medinnah because it is unrespectful to our culture and values".

... Try doing the same with a US aircraft, whithin the US territory!

I hate when people from underdeveloping countries (and it includes us Brazilians) bash the American society. Rather than trying to solve our own problems, we criticize them. Now, this is collective stupidity....




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User currently offlineKL911 From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2003, 5260 posts, RR: 15
Reply 13, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1832 times:


Believe me, I'm not racist, but for me it would be very normal that they check persons from middle east origin etc more than natives without branding them as racists. those people are there to do their job, and to protect us and democracy. If you happen to be an innocent business traveller or tourist from those countries, blame your fellow countrymen en put some flowers at ground zero.



User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16335 posts, RR: 56
Reply 14, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 1806 times:

IWhen Caucasians have a hard time understanding Arabs, they are labeled "racists". However, when Arabs do the same, they call it "cultural differences".

Exactly Ciro! It's a racist double standard.

for me it would be very normal that they check persons from middle east origin etc more than natives

I agree.....the Middle East is where the terrorist threat is coming from, hence Middle East travellers should bear a higher burden of security.






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User currently offlineFly_emirates From United Arab Emirates, joined Oct 2000, 1046 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1757 times:

again yyz717 and the indian citizen ship in UAE..

#1 how is that relevant to this post?

#2 the whole post is discussing a gun in a teddy bear, it doesnt even display what race they were, they could have been american arabs, african americans, caucasians.. we never know


User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16335 posts, RR: 56
Reply 16, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1746 times:

#1 how is that relevant to this post?

It's relevant because it highlights a doudle standard. Hamad jumped all over an American accusing him of racism based on one comment, meanwhile very glaring examples of racism exist in the Arab Middle East which Arabs don't seem to mind......




Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineFly_emirates From United Arab Emirates, joined Oct 2000, 1046 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1739 times:

one more thing, YYZ717, other than the things that we disagree upon, there certain things i tend to agree with you. if i was in the USA and i was screened more than other people, i dont mind it. i mean its basically relevant why some people are annoyed when Arabic people are not screened. Ok, it does annoy me too. i know i will be bashed by fello arabic people, but if i am going through security, i have seen some arabic people having an attitude against some security or so called TSA because they want to search them. I go like "HELLO! isnt the people who were involved in 911 fello men!!"

YYZ717, i do agree that there is a lot of discrimination in the arabic countries, my country in specific, Do i like it? NO, i get discriminated against sometimes just because i am not from the royal family or a rich people family..

but after all, there are certain things that can be relevant or irrelevant to a post, i dont want to argue with you or the other guy who started this post, but sometimes it hurts being reminded that fellow men caused all this pain to americans a while ago, especially if that thing was not related to the post.

in addition you are always insisting on the indians in UAE, not the philipinoes, not any other foriegn nationality! just the indians, is there a reason for this?



User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16335 posts, RR: 56
Reply 18, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1731 times:

in addition you are always insisting on the indians in UAE, not the philipinoes, not any other foriegn nationality! just the indians, is there a reason for this?

No reason really Fly_Emirates. Every minority group in the UAE (indeed, in all Arab countries) should receive the same treatment and benefits that Arabs enjoy when they visit the West.

It's very annoying when Arabs (whether in the Middle East, or in the West) complain about racism in the West, when it absolutely pales in comparison to racism in the Arab Middle East. If ANY Western (read: white) nation treated its minorities as badly as Arab countries do, it would immediately be blackballed by the world community.

 Big grin Regards




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User currently offlineUALPHLCS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1700 times:

HlywdCatft is wrong in his comments but all of you missed why he was wrong. How many of the 9-11 hijackers where wearing turbans? The fact is that Sichs (did I spell that right?) wear turbans. They are no Arab and are not Muslim. So it would do no good for the TSA to seach turbans.

It illustrates the point however, that unless you have thought out why the TSA and airlines ban certain things you really can't criticize thier acitions. A gut reactioin racist or not, dosen't make anyone safer.

Checking EVERYONE from kids to the elderly may look stupid but it has yielded results. While looking under some poor mans turban does nothing.


User currently offlineHamad From United Arab Emirates, joined Apr 2000, 1160 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1693 times:

thanks UALPHLC,

that is exactly what i was trying to say. no one with a turban was involved MCO incident so lets not go there unless someone with a turban was trying to go through security with a gun



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User currently offlineAIR757200 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1579 posts, RR: 7
Reply 21, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1679 times:


I thought the topic was about an armed bear at MCO?


User currently offlineIHadAPheo From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 6027 posts, RR: 55
Reply 22, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 1639 times:

Hello all, I have a few points to make on the discussions in this thread...

First I also find it odd that the parents of the girl with the Teddy bear did not question the "gift" (I also question as to if it was a gift in the first place). I also wonder how they could miss the gun shaped filling in the bear but then Sir Galahad the Pure mistook Zoot's beacon for the Grail.

Next , I'm all for a proper search of all passengers including the kiddies and seniors, with the odd random more intensive thrown in to keep the bad guys on their toes. (I make no reference to as who the bad guys are).

Even more babbling, As to the racist comments.. there is racism everwhere and in some ways it does still exist in the U.S. BUT we do not ban tourists from "public" areas because of the Nationality and/or Relgion and as in many "free" Nations an immigrant can come here and own their own business and become quite sucessful. The sucess stories are not limited to the U.S. but to many "free" Nations

Winding it up Yes it was a good peice of work by the "screeners" to catch the the gun, yes airport security is good thing when done in a capable fair way. Yes racism is band and it is not limited to the U.S and IS worse in some Nations.

Yours,
IHadAPheo

Had A Pheo?, Still Alive, You're Lucky


Sorry to babble but.....



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User currently offlineHlywdCatft From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5321 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1613 times:

I know it strayed off subject.

Yes I assume that the people involved were white and I highly doubt that any of this has to do with terrorism. Probably just someone trying to take a gun home with them thinking they wouldn't get caught.

Yes I do rant a lot about Muslim Arabs- its not just 9-11, its Lockerbie, or all of the hijackings of the 1970s and 80s, or Richard Reid (yes I know Reid wasn't Arab, but he was Muslim). How many terrorist acts aboard planes involved Hindus, Buddhists, Jews or Christians or Pagans???? There probably are a couple incidents, or some that are non religion related like government reasons. BUT, majority of the incidents are Muslim related. Maybe you guys in the UAE don't realize this, but Al Quaida has declared a Jihad against the USA- and as of right now, most Al Quaida members fit the Mid Eastern profile- hell even my looks fit the Mid Eastern profile and part of my rant is that the TSA usually lets me walk right through without much search. That bothers me.

At DTW, there were a lot of Arabic workers there and FBI was making occassional busts there catching members of Al Quaida. I am sure that the 19 hijackers could have passed their 10 year background checks- all that insures is that you were A. working during that time to account for where you were B. You weren't in jail.

Most workers at DTW have a badge that could get them through doors to bypass any security checkpoints- whats to stop a worker from going through those doors with ramp or gate access and putting C-4 on a plane?

I hope most TSA people can tell the difference between a Sig and a Shiite Muslim (the muslim that wears the white Turban) After all the turbans are totally different style.

My complaint about this (for you guys who complain about my posts being racist) is that I have to take my hat off when i walk thru security, so does everyone else who wears a hat- then why shouldn't a Muslim have to take off his turban? Why should they have MORE rights than the rest of us?

This is America, yes there is freedom of religion, but at the same time the politically correct TSA shouldn't be giving Muslims more rights or making Islam a higher preferential religion by not making them remove their turbans and the women their veils. I am sure the Christian or catholic flyers wearing a crucifix necklace have to remove them. This nation was NOT founded on Islam and nor should anybody in the United States have to conform to Islamic Laws or even RESPECT them when national security is more important than some religious belief. If I went to certain Muslim countries right now, my girlfriend would be forced to wear a veil! I would have to conform to their laws, and hell if I was anything other than Muslim in some countries I would be shot for being accused of trying to convert someone to another religion even if I wasn't. So any Muslim over here crying about what the rest of America being racist to them just for thinking they need to be searched more, I suggest take a look at the countries where you came from, or your ancestors came from and look what they do to Non Muslims.


User currently offlineMikeclod From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 272 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 1567 times:

Ok, people, time to move this, this is by far not the right forum for this. It was an interesting report that I had not heard of, but all of the political stuff really should be in the Non-Av area.
Just playing Devil's advocate.
Mikeclod

P.S. I was looking forward to see an ex-soviet bear too!


25 Post contains images Petrouchka : This thread has me all confused. Who was wearing the turban, the kid or the stuffed teddy bear?
26 Yyz717 : Who was wearing the turban, the kid or the stuffed teddy bear? The bear was armed, not stuffed.
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