MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31155 posts, RR: 76 Posted (9 years 11 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3522 times:
Maybe someone can clear this up, but a look at Alitalia's schedules show no more service to Boston Logan after 26 March 2004, and the flight is similarly unbookable after that date I am shocked by this. All the other trans-Atlantic services are still bookable past that date. If true, this would bring Alitalia's US network down to just Chicago, Miami, and New York City.
DeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8774 posts, RR: 12 Reply 5, posted (9 years 11 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3211 times:
It would seem odd that this route would be gone, due to the large Italian population in Boston, and that you have BOS (a Delta mini-hub) and MXP (an AZ hub) at both ends, which would result in connecting traffic (BOS alone gets connecting traffic from YUL, YHZ, YFC, BGR, PWM, BTV, CVG, SLC, DFW, MCO, FLL, TPA, RSW, and PBI, amongst others), which should at least fill this flight regularly enough. I too, would not be surprised to see DL be taking over this route, remember they were going to start BOS-FCO this summer, but pulled it with Gulf War II.
MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31155 posts, RR: 76 Reply 7, posted (9 years 11 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3080 times:
Do they still fly to LAX and SFO?
No, they pulled out of SFO in October 2001 and LAX in March 2002. They serve EWR/JFK-MXP/FCO with 777s and ORD/MIA-MXP with 767s. MIA becomes a 777 in March. In November, the last month of AZ MD11 operations, AZ will fly the MD11 to MIA and BOS.
Captainstabbin From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 8, posted (9 years 11 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2993 times:
It seems like BOS has lost a lot of traffic the last few years. I recall when that airport handled something like 28 million passengers a year with over 500,000 aircraft movements. I heard the current figures are around 23 million passengers and something like 380,000 movements. I also read somewhere that they have experienced the biggest decline in traffic post 9/11 of any major US airport. What's with that?
Starrion From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1083 posts, RR: 2 Reply 9, posted (9 years 11 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2902 times:
The first being that the airport is a royal pain to get to, with the roadways under construction and the terminals in a old-n-shabby or under construction condition, plus parking and services are stunningly expensive.
We also have new choices with expanded service out of both Manchester NH and Providence RI, both of which are simple to get to, cheaper to use, less crowded and in better condition.
ShovelAirlines From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 58 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (9 years 11 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2857 times:
Ah, but have you seen the new International Terminal at BOS?? It's truly amazing and has a feel of a bigger, busier international airport. I can see more international airlines setting up shop at BOS. Perhaps SAS? JAL? BMI? Am I too optimistic? I bet Alitalia is here to stay.
Ual747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 11, posted (9 years 11 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2822 times:
Maybe the reason that they lost so much traffic post 9/11 is that the two planes that hit the world trade center originated from BOS. Not to mention that their security came under great scrutiny as well.
767ALLTHEWAY From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 659 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (9 years 11 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2709 times:
On the fact that BOS, is a pain to get to, its not easy, but it certainly is not that hard. When my family travels out of BOS, we frequently use Logan Express, a system of coach buses, that have stops in the Metro-Boston area, take that, let Massport do the driving its not bad at all. I will say yes, Manchester and T.F. Green in RI, are nicer, but Massport is trying very hard to clean up the airport, it is a constant cluster of roadways and construction now but when finished will be extremly nice, the new International terminal, and I can bet that when the new Terminal A is completed that it will also be beautifull. Unfortunatly that airport is in a bad location, if it were landlocked like DFW, or ATL im sure it would be a lot easier to get to and more organized, but look what they have to work (land area, water, East Boston etc) with and you have to say that BOS has done nicely throughout its history.
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Luv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 11957 posts, RR: 51 Reply 14, posted (9 years 11 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2698 times:
Also did they not lose the NW service to Europe? I remember when NWA had BOS to LGW, FRA and CDG(?) Although I am not 100% sure about CDG. When they got the route authority from DL for the DTW to LGW I believe that is when they moved all the flights to DTW.
Starrion From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1083 posts, RR: 2 Reply 16, posted (9 years 11 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2662 times:
Actually I use the Logan Express buses all the time. On return trips to Boston on Saturdays I frequently end up waiting 30-45 minutes for the bus to arrive. After a week of work and an often long flight behind me, the last thing I generally want to do is hang around Logan. Logan Express works, but it could be more convenient.
Ual747: 9-11 hit Boston traffic really hard. I lost my high school health teacher on AA011 and a close friend lost a neighbor who was the Captain. A lot of people have stopped flying for vacations.... Pre 9-11 my classes would be full of people who flew in from the NY/NJ area on the shuttle. This class I have six students, all of whom drove to Boston.
Nm19371 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 70 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (9 years 11 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2500 times:
Lets face it, Logan, like everything state-run in Massachusetts, sucks ass! Just like the Big Dig, they have flushed a ton of taxpayer $$ down the toilet on "modernizing" it (maybe if you define modern as 1982). Whether or not this has anything to do with Alitalia pulling out, I have no idea (personally, I think this has more to do with BA, AF, and LH dominating the market on European flights out of BOS, perhaps Swiss will soon be history too.). Anyway, if I had my way, I would bulldoze Logan and build a truly modern and efficient airport somewhere else (maybe on an artificial island out in the bay like in Kobe). As far as post-9/11 security goes, the only thing different about Logan is that they have a few state troopers in SWAT gear walking around with MP-5s who are probably getting paid double overtime.
ShovelAirlines From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 58 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (9 years 11 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2413 times:
I won't get into the whole Big Dig thing but obviously you (Nm19371) have not seen the amazing changes that are happening to BOS. Massport, I believe, is really trying to make Logan into a world class airport. Sure, Logan did "suck ass" in 1982 but a lot has changed since then. Terminal A will be completed in a few years and that will be a DL powerhouse. The new international terminal is nearly complete with room for more international carriers and widebodies. Bulldoze BOS??? No way!
DeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8774 posts, RR: 12 Reply 23, posted (9 years 11 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2353 times:
I too have my problems with BOS (and most things Massachusetts, but that's another story). Yes, the new international terminal is very nice. Yes, the new Delta hub will be great. Yes, the new US Airways terminal is good. However, there is more to an airport than facilities. First off, it still is a pain to get in there. Driving in from the North Shore, it seems like the roads change every month. It's always a good idea to cut across three lanes of traffic so you can get to your desired terminal location... Also, there are still delays there. Ever fly during the winter with the nice Northwesterly gusts (on top of typical New England weather)? I hope you enjoy your ground delay of 30 minutes to an hour.
Boston does need a new airport. While you can't beat the fact that its 3 miles from downtown, it is a pain to get to, and the runway set-up isn't the best. Remember pre-9/11? It will be back like that in a decade, and we will have a long line of delays. What BOS needs is more runways (if only they could expand the commuter 15/33 (not the long one) across the bay) to help accomadate the traffic. In the meantime, I'll go to BOS more than MHT (my other option), but as DL/NW/CO grow at MHT, I will be more keen to fly into there than BOS, as traffic time is about the same, but MHT is much more customer-friendly.