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Alitalia Pulling Out Of BOS?  
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32789 posts, RR: 72
Posted (11 years 2 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 4740 times:

Maybe someone can clear this up, but a look at Alitalia's schedules show no more service to Boston Logan after 26 March 2004, and the flight is similarly unbookable after that date I am shocked by this. All the other trans-Atlantic services are still bookable past that date. If true, this would bring Alitalia's US network down to just Chicago, Miami, and New York City.


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User currently offlineNm19371 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 70 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (11 years 2 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 4716 times:

Jeez, I hope not. I have fond memories of flying them BOS-FCO-ATH back in the '80's and I'll miss seeing their red white and green tail at Logan.

User currently offlineDaV From Italy, joined Jun 2001, 669 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (11 years 2 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 4636 times:

I hope not! Never heard of axing the route... no rumors, no official statement!

DaV



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User currently offlineGKirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24936 posts, RR: 56
Reply 3, posted (11 years 2 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 4608 times:

Have they published their summer timetable yet then? Maybe thats why you cant find it?


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User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4980 posts, RR: 51
Reply 4, posted (11 years 2 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 4517 times:

Indeed!

The BOSMXP sked has been pulled off. Check it on galileo and amadeus, and its gone!

Ill bet DL takes BOSFCO or BOSMXP next summer.

Mark


User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8902 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (11 years 2 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 4429 times:

It would seem odd that this route would be gone, due to the large Italian population in Boston, and that you have BOS (a Delta mini-hub) and MXP (an AZ hub) at both ends, which would result in connecting traffic (BOS alone gets connecting traffic from YUL, YHZ, YFC, BGR, PWM, BTV, CVG, SLC, DFW, MCO, FLL, TPA, RSW, and PBI, amongst others), which should at least fill this flight regularly enough. I too, would not be surprised to see DL be taking over this route, remember they were going to start BOS-FCO this summer, but pulled it with Gulf War II.

Jeff


User currently offlineThomacf From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 542 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (11 years 2 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4316 times:

Do they still fly to LAX and SFO?

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32789 posts, RR: 72
Reply 7, posted (11 years 2 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4298 times:

Do they still fly to LAX and SFO?

No, they pulled out of SFO in October 2001 and LAX in March 2002. They serve EWR/JFK-MXP/FCO with 777s and ORD/MIA-MXP with 767s. MIA becomes a 777 in March. In November, the last month of AZ MD11 operations, AZ will fly the MD11 to MIA and BOS.



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User currently offlineCaptainstabbin From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (11 years 2 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 4211 times:

It seems like BOS has lost a lot of traffic the last few years. I recall when that airport handled something like 28 million passengers a year with over 500,000 aircraft movements. I heard the current figures are around 23 million passengers and something like 380,000 movements. I also read somewhere that they have experienced the biggest decline in traffic post 9/11 of any major US airport. What's with that?

[Edited 2003-07-21 21:53:40]

User currently offlineStarrion From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1126 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (11 years 2 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4120 times:

The first being that the airport is a royal pain to get to, with the roadways under construction and the terminals in a old-n-shabby or under construction condition, plus parking and services are stunningly expensive.

We also have new choices with expanded service out of both Manchester NH and Providence RI, both of which are simple to get to, cheaper to use, less crowded and in better condition.

Other than that....



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User currently offlineShovelAirlines From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 58 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (11 years 2 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4075 times:

Ah, but have you seen the new International Terminal at BOS?? It's truly amazing and has a feel of a bigger, busier international airport. I can see more international airlines setting up shop at BOS. Perhaps SAS? JAL? BMI? Am I too optimistic? I bet Alitalia is here to stay.


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User currently offlineUal747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (11 years 2 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4040 times:

Maybe the reason that they lost so much traffic post 9/11 is that the two planes that hit the world trade center originated from BOS. Not to mention that their security came under great scrutiny as well.

UAL747


User currently offlineCPH-R From Denmark, joined May 2001, 6000 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (11 years 2 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4040 times:

I doubt that SAS would move into BOS, seing that their ambitions only allow for one new international route every 5 years (or so) & since they already have a strong presence at EWR.

User currently offline767ALLTHEWAY From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 659 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (11 years 2 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3927 times:

On the fact that BOS, is a pain to get to, its not easy, but it certainly is not that hard. When my family travels out of BOS, we frequently use Logan Express, a system of coach buses, that have stops in the Metro-Boston area, take that, let Massport do the driving its not bad at all. I will say yes, Manchester and T.F. Green in RI, are nicer, but Massport is trying very hard to clean up the airport, it is a constant cluster of roadways and construction now but when finished will be extremly nice, the new International terminal, and I can bet that when the new Terminal A is completed that it will also be beautifull. Unfortunatly that airport is in a bad location, if it were landlocked like DFW, or ATL im sure it would be a lot easier to get to and more organized, but look what they have to work (land area, water, East Boston etc) with and you have to say that BOS has done nicely throughout its history.
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User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12110 posts, RR: 48
Reply 14, posted (11 years 2 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3916 times:
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Also did they not lose the NW service to Europe? I remember when NWA had BOS to LGW, FRA and CDG(?) Although I am not 100% sure about CDG. When they got the route authority from DL for the DTW to LGW I believe that is when they moved all the flights to DTW.


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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16872 posts, RR: 51
Reply 15, posted (11 years 2 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3912 times:

Alitalia flies from EWR to both Rome and Milan,

The EWR-FCO flight operates with 777 (although I've been seeing a MD-11 lately), the EWR-MXP flight operates with a 767-300.

From JFK Alitalia operates one daily 777 flight to Milan and one to Rome.



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User currently offlineStarrion From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1126 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (11 years 2 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3880 times:

Actually I use the Logan Express buses all the time. On return trips to Boston on Saturdays I frequently end up waiting 30-45 minutes for the bus to arrive. After a week of work and an often long flight behind me, the last thing I generally want to do is hang around Logan. Logan Express works, but it could be more convenient.

Ual747: 9-11 hit Boston traffic really hard. I lost my high school health teacher on AA011 and a close friend lost a neighbor who was the Captain. A lot of people have stopped flying for vacations.... Pre 9-11 my classes would be full of people who flew in from the NY/NJ area on the shuttle. This class I have six students, all of whom drove to Boston.



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User currently offlineContinentalEWR From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3762 posts, RR: 13
Reply 17, posted (11 years 2 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3867 times:

Alitalia does not fly 777's into Newark. Only the JFK-FCO and JFK-MXP routes are flown with 777's. The EWR to FCO and MXP routes are both on 767-300ER aircraft.

ContinentalEWR


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16872 posts, RR: 51
Reply 18, posted (11 years 2 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3790 times:

"Alitalia does not fly 777's into Newark. Only the JFK-FCO and JFK-MXP routes are flown with 777's. The EWR to FCO and MXP routes are both on 767-300ER aircraft."

Please don't tell me what Im seeing, I've seen a Alitalia MD-11 at EWR almost everyday for the last 3-4 weeks. The latest schedules now show a 777, but Im still seeing MD-11s.

I drive the Turnpike almost everyday,I live in New Jersey.

The Alitalia Website shows a 777 on the EWR-FCO route, not a 767-300. But I've been seeing a MD-11 lately, check for yourself.

http://www.alitaliausa.com/

Or Check the Port Authority Website.

http://www.panynj.gov/aviation/ewroagframe2.htm




Eastern Air lines flt # 701, EWR-MCO Boeing 757
User currently offlineUsairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3404 posts, RR: 7
Reply 19, posted (11 years 2 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3777 times:

CPH-R: i know SAS has had a strong pressence at EWR for a while now with typically 3 flights a day, however come this fall the Oslo-EWR flight will be reduced from daily to 3x weekly.

User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16872 posts, RR: 51
Reply 20, posted (11 years 2 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3770 times:

Right now SAS has four daily flights from EWR, two to Copenhagen and one each to Stockholm and Oslo.




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User currently offlineNm19371 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 70 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (11 years 2 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3718 times:

Lets face it, Logan, like everything state-run in Massachusetts, sucks ass! Just like the Big Dig, they have flushed a ton of taxpayer $$ down the toilet on "modernizing" it (maybe if you define modern as 1982). Whether or not this has anything to do with Alitalia pulling out, I have no idea (personally, I think this has more to do with BA, AF, and LH dominating the market on European flights out of BOS, perhaps Swiss will soon be history too.). Anyway, if I had my way, I would bulldoze Logan and build a truly modern and efficient airport somewhere else (maybe on an artificial island out in the bay like in Kobe). As far as post-9/11 security goes, the only thing different about Logan is that they have a few state troopers in SWAT gear walking around with MP-5s who are probably getting paid double overtime.

User currently offlineShovelAirlines From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 58 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (11 years 2 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3631 times:

I won't get into the whole Big Dig thing but obviously you (Nm19371) have not seen the amazing changes that are happening to BOS. Massport, I believe, is really trying to make Logan into a world class airport. Sure, Logan did "suck ass" in 1982 but a lot has changed since then. Terminal A will be completed in a few years and that will be a DL powerhouse. The new international terminal is nearly complete with room for more international carriers and widebodies. Bulldoze BOS??? No way!


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User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8902 posts, RR: 12
Reply 23, posted (11 years 2 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3571 times:

I too have my problems with BOS (and most things Massachusetts, but that's another story). Yes, the new international terminal is very nice. Yes, the new Delta hub will be great. Yes, the new US Airways terminal is good. However, there is more to an airport than facilities. First off, it still is a pain to get in there. Driving in from the North Shore, it seems like the roads change every month. It's always a good idea to cut across three lanes of traffic so you can get to your desired terminal location... Also, there are still delays there. Ever fly during the winter with the nice Northwesterly gusts (on top of typical New England weather)? I hope you enjoy your ground delay of 30 minutes to an hour.

Boston does need a new airport. While you can't beat the fact that its 3 miles from downtown, it is a pain to get to, and the runway set-up isn't the best. Remember pre-9/11? It will be back like that in a decade, and we will have a long line of delays. What BOS needs is more runways (if only they could expand the commuter 15/33 (not the long one) across the bay) to help accomadate the traffic. In the meantime, I'll go to BOS more than MHT (my other option), but as DL/NW/CO grow at MHT, I will be more keen to fly into there than BOS, as traffic time is about the same, but MHT is much more customer-friendly.

Jeff


User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4980 posts, RR: 51
Reply 24, posted (11 years 2 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3523 times:

I dont think KBOS is all that bad.

I have flown out of there many times, the only real complaint I had was the ground access to the airport. I am told this will significantly improve with the big dig.

I have taken off out of there perhaps 3-4 times, during the different peaks. Never had anything more than 1-2 plane line-up.

Mark


25 MSYtristar : Is the Ted Williams Tunnel now open daily for regular passengers going to/from Logan? When I was up there, it was just open on the weekends for normal
26 Nm19371 : Perhaps I was a bit too harsh in my criticism of BOS. I'm originally from the Boston area but have lived in Baltimore for the past few years. When I g
27 SailorOrion : What Europe services are there from BOS currently? SailorOrion
28 Turtle : MSYtristar, Ted Williams tunnel is now open for everybody 24/7. The Mass Pike (I-90) now extends all the way to Logan airport. Because of this, Logan
29 Styles : I doubt Alitalia will pull out of BOS as they just spent a lot of money on their new ops and adm office in the renovated Terminal E. SAS will not fly
30 Flpuck6 : Ref: AZ leaving BOS, maybe they just aren't as fast to update their res. systems? I would be very shocked at an official confirmation that AZ will lea
31 Post contains links STT757 : Silver Line to Logan.. http://www.allaboutsilverline.com/
32 Alitalia744 : Alitalia will still fly daily MXP-BOS with 763's after March 26th 2004. Their BOS scheds have not updated past March '04. This has been confirmed via
33 Post contains images SailorOrion : Flpuck6: Is there a page which simply lists all the flights? I would be interested in the frequency (and equipment). Thanks anyway SailorOrion
34 DeltAirlines : Here's my attempt at a list: AZ - daily to MXP; 763 BA - 3x daily to LHR; 744 (2), 777 FI - daily to KEF; 757 AF - twice daily to CDG; 343 (11 flights
35 MAH4546 : From Boston, TACV has a 757 to SID on Mondays, SATA has 310s to LIS on Sunday and Wednesday and to PDL (Azores) on Friday.
36 Flpuck6 : DeltAirlines: SATA does indeed still serve BOS with an A310 ... Swiss mechanics (who also assist Air France) assist SATA. On the other hand, I have ne
37 Haveric : Does BOS have more weekly European departures than PHL?
38 Usairways85 : well let's see here's PHL: US-2x daily LGW (330, 762) US-2x daily CDG (330, 762) US-daily MAN (330) US-daily AMS(762) US-daily SNN(762) US-daily DUB(7
39 SailorOrion : Thanks for that list. MUC-PHL on US is still a 762 by the way. SailorOrion
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