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Qantas To Fly SYD-DFW Nonstop?  
User currently offlineSsides From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4059 posts, RR: 21
Posted (11 years 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 8223 times:

Rumors over the past month have said Qantas wants to serve DFW nonstop fron SYD by 2005; this will provide better connections to their OneWorld partners. I'm skeptical (a) of the market for this flight and (b) whether a 744 can travel this distance. Any input?


"Lose" is not spelled with two o's!!!!
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User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16245 posts, RR: 56
Reply 1, posted (11 years 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 8114 times:

I thought one of the intended 744ER routes was SYD-Auckland-DFW to feed the AA hub. Has this been canned now?




Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineJonnyGT From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 242 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (11 years 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 8031 times:

My question is, why do they still have Qantas logos and signage on the building of Terminal B if there is currently no Qantas operated flights to/from Dallas? Is this just a temporary placeholder or were there flights in the past to or from Terminal B?

User currently offlineBartond From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 788 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (11 years 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 7977 times:

Johnny, did you see the Qantas logo at DFW recently? I've never seen a Qantas logo there but that doesn't mean it's not there. I rarely go to terminal B (I usually fly American internationally).

I've talked to a gazillion people about this and the airport was evidently in negotiations with Qantas for a flight from AA), New Zealand">AKL-DFW with I think a 744. I think that AA), New Zealand">AKL-DFW distance is almost pushing it so SYD-DFW would not really work with a 744. That's what I heard, atleast. If they got a 772NG they could do it. As far as the market goes, I would think there are some business pax opportunities and a crapload of connections via AA. Enough to support maybe 3-4x weekly maybe..? I dunno.

These talks were suspended months ago and I haven't heard anything with any validity to it ever since. There's no way they'll do it before the new terminal comes about. I don't think there's even really room for a 744 in terminal B. Even if there is room, they'd have to time it right to where the QF 744 wouldn't be there around 2-4pm on any day, when the LH A343 and BA 772 are taking up all that space.

Don't get me wrong, I would LOVE for QF to come to DFW a.s.a.p., but it might be a while.


User currently offlineAA61hvy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13977 posts, RR: 57
Reply 4, posted (11 years 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 7894 times:

God I wish they would come. But they chose ORD over DFW. Maybe when terminal F (Int Terminal) opens we will get them.


Go big or go home
User currently offlineMats From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 625 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (11 years 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 7878 times:

Qantas typically has signage posted in airports to which it has a major codeshare service with American Airlines. There has been a Qantas sign hanging in Boston for years at the American Airlines ticket counter. I think there is supposed to be a designated line for QF codeshare check-in, but I doubt that's really the case.

I'd be very surprised if Qantas opened a service to Dallas, but Qantas signage may continue to advertise their codeshare service.

Incidentally, I believe that Air New Zealand actually served Dallas at one time, as did Thai.


User currently offlineAA61hvy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13977 posts, RR: 57
Reply 6, posted (11 years 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 7838 times:

As did Northwest Orient, Mexicana... the list goes on.


Go big or go home
User currently offlineSsides From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4059 posts, RR: 21
Reply 7, posted (11 years 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 7785 times:

So QF chose ORD over DFW? That's an even longer haul, isn't it?

Also, Air New Zealand and Thai did serve DFW at one time, but I think these airlines stopped at LAX before heading over the Pacific. Can anyone confirm?

And I think AA61hvy is right -- QF would definitely come after the completion of Terminal D (which will be a premier international gateway, in my opinion).



"Lose" is not spelled with two o's!!!!
User currently offlineAA61hvy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13977 posts, RR: 57
Reply 8, posted (11 years 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 7745 times:

They stopped at SFO or LAX before comming to DFW.. but none the less.


Go big or go home
User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5722 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (11 years 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 7683 times:

AA61hvy- just to give you a little update, our new international terminal will be international terminal D, not F. Terminal F was to be a new domestic terminal, but I think the project, though the bal was already rolling, has been put on hold indefinitely, what with AA transforming to their new 'rolling hub' strategy. And, with Conti consolidating with NW and DL in E (yuck- I hate terminal E) There should be no shortage of gates. PARTICULARLY when we take into account that domestic flights will also be operated out of the new international terminal D.

In response to this post, SYD-DFW would be no sweat for the 747-4ER. That was one of the design goals for Qantas.

Hope they come on out here!

R


User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 10, posted (11 years 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 7662 times:

SYD-DFW would be pushing it for even the 744ER... they weight restrict SYD-LAX on the 744 and the ER only has a 500 nm range boost.

They were going to fly AKL-DFW, but decided on SYD-LAX-ORD instead. They then discarded plans for that too.

N


User currently offlineJr From United States of America, joined May 1999, 968 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (11 years 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 7576 times:

Inspite of the generally accepted word that Qantas picked ORD over DFW, I just heard from a friend working at DFW that he was hearing rumors of Qantas still coming ... to the extent of them even looking to hire people at DFW. I guess time will tell.


I've flown on 9V-SPK.
User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (11 years 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 7536 times:

SYD-DFW would be no sweat for the 747-4ER.

Actually, it'd be far more than a sweat... in fact, it'd require severe payload restriction to even operate (let alone operate profitably!)


User currently offlineTekelberry From United States of America, joined May 2003, 1459 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (11 years 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 7525 times:

Ssides,

The route will be SYD-LAX-ORD.

ORD is the better hub for them to fly to since AA's ops are a bit larger here. AA doesn't have as many routes out of DFW than they have out of ORD.


User currently offlineSsides From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4059 posts, RR: 21
Reply 14, posted (11 years 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 7458 times:

That does make sense, Telekberry -- I also think AA has some opportunities at ORD with UA in its troubles. I don't think there's any question that ORD's business market would be better for QF than DFW -- although I do believe that DFW is still on the move.


"Lose" is not spelled with two o's!!!!
User currently offlineThunder9 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 219 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (11 years 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 7423 times:

All --

The QF signage at DFW Terminal B was there since AA opened up operations there about 3-1/2 years ago. QF has codeshare service on select AA operated flights between DFW-LAX. QF used to have a separate check-in counter, staffed by AA agents, but with a QF rep there to ensure that the customers had all the correct tags (premium pax tags, transfer tags for conx within Australia, etc.) on the checked baggage. The QF rep also would ensure that the premium pax received their pass to the QF lounge in LAX, as well as all int'l docs were correct before boarding. It was a very cool operation. Alas, financial hardships at QF forced them to take the QF reps out of DFW about 2(?) years ago. The QF signage has been moved over to Terminal A since AA saw fit to give Term B gates to Eagle for their RJ operation last winter.

Ssides, just wondering where you got your info that AA has a larger operation at ORD than at DFW? At last count, there are still more AA flights (and I believe Eagle flights, also) at DFW than at ORD. The only advantage that ORD has over DFW is more departures to Europe than from DFW. However, DFW has the Latin/South American flights that ORD does not.


-J




"Keep thy airspeed up, less the earth come from below and smite thee." - William Kershner
User currently offlineSsides From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4059 posts, RR: 21
Reply 16, posted (11 years 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 7344 times:

Actually, I think Tekelberry said that ORD's AA operation was larger than DFW. I actually think you are correct; I've always been told that DFW is AA's largest hub.

Actually, it could be that AA and AA Eagle's combined operations at DFW are largest; just counting AA's, ORD may be larger.



"Lose" is not spelled with two o's!!!!
User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (11 years 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 7324 times:

ORD is the better hub for them to fly to since AA's ops are a bit larger here

In your sweetest dreams maybe  Big grin

AA's operations at DFW are considerably larger than their ops at ORD


User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 18, posted (11 years 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 7299 times:

A SYD-DFW flight, operated by AA or QF has been rumored for many years....it was said that the route would be opened just as soon as there was an aircraft that could operate the route in both directions, on a year round basis, without any serious capacity restrictions. Most discussions (rumors) centered around AA operating the flight with an ultra-long range version of the 777 (either the 777LR or the once proposed 771).......at a certain point, the focus changed and the SYD-DFW route would be operated by QF, it was said that the 747-400ER would operate the service, but with a stop in Auckland in both directions. According to what I have heard (and it is all rumor and discussion), QF determined that the AA), New Zealand">AKL stopover would add very few pax and the stopover would take the "glamour and appeal" out of the flight as the total travel time between DFW and SYD would improve very little over the existing DFW-LAX/LAX-SYD routing and one-stop service to Australia from a multitude of smaller central, southern and east coast cities via DFW would still not be available, thus, QF dropped the DFW plan and decided on contiuing service into ORD, where there is more O&D traffic...especially after their JFK sevice (via LAX) was a surprising success.

User currently offlineSsides From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4059 posts, RR: 21
Reply 19, posted (11 years 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 7269 times:

A bold prediction (yes, I'm a native Texan so that's where this comes from): Assuming available aircraft, QF will serve both DFW and IAH nonstop from SYD by 2015.


"Lose" is not spelled with two o's!!!!
User currently offlineTekelberry From United States of America, joined May 2003, 1459 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (11 years 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 7266 times:

In your sweetest dreams maybe

AA's operations at DFW are considerably larger than their ops at ORD


Bah...I'm wrong again.

It could be that they chose ORD to drive people away from UA and encourage them to fly AA/QF since AA (codeshare) and UA are the only airlines flying to Australia/New Zealand. It would be a direct flight without transfering at LAX or SFO while with UA you would probably have to transfer.

[Edited 2003-07-24 00:30:55]

User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (11 years 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 7235 times:

Fact is, AA (along with American Eagle) serve more destinations via ORD than they do via DFW.

Really... and when did this occur?

I'm currently looking at AA's last printed schedule, and unless ORD has made up some serious ground in the last year and three months..... I doubt it serves more destinations than DFW.


User currently offlineSccutler From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 5486 posts, RR: 28
Reply 22, posted (11 years 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 7149 times:

DFW would be an outstanding destination for QF, well-located for connecting pax (and allowing them to bypass the sh*thole of clearing customs at LAX). Also better than ORD from the perspective of weather and its impact on schedules.

Butting heads directky with UAL at ORD? Makes no sense (and UAL's in it for the long haul).

QF would be wise to do it, equipment willing. Lewt's hope that they do.



...three miles from BRONS, clear for the ILS one five approach...
User currently offlineTravelin man From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3462 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (11 years 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 7069 times:

I believe now that Qantas shares T4 with AA, passengers don't have to use the international terminal's crappy customs area, but I could be mistaken....

User currently offlineSsides From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4059 posts, RR: 21
Reply 24, posted (11 years 1 day ago) and read 7023 times:

Right on, Sccutler ... I've cleared customs at ATL, ORD, IAH, IAD, LAX and MIA, and none of them come close to DFW's customs facilities. It's huge and ready to accomodate thousands of people at one time. I have no doubt that the consolidated facility in Terminal D will be even better.


"Lose" is not spelled with two o's!!!!
25 Bartond : I dont' remember the numbers exactly but when STL gets cut in half DFW will have something like 170-80 more AA flights per day than ORD. I still say a
26 Tekelberry : Butting heads directky with UAL at ORD? Makes no sense (and UAL's in it for the long haul). It wouldn't be QF directly, the competition would be betwe
27 PER744 : Qantas also had their own check-in at SFO up until 2001 I think. It was great, the AA check-in line would be huge with no wait at the QF counter. As f
28 Ssides : I have exhaustively studied Boeing's range charts and come to this conclusion: if QF were to operate this route (which seems a few years away, at best
29 ConcordeBoy : However, the new 777 LR probably could make it. Has QF ordered any of these? Sorry, I'm not up to date on their recent dealings with Boeing. QF is cur
30 Cedarjet : Chicago is a much better destination than DFW. DFW only works for certain onward connections (ie to Miami and the Carribean), whereas Chicago is the t
31 Twa_connie : Back in the late 80's Thai Airways flew Tokyo/Seattle/Dallas. I took that flight and I can tell you the Seattle/Dallas leg was the emptiest 747 I've e
32 Post contains images ConcordeBoy : Chicago is the third biggest city in the US, tonnes of O&D. Almost none at DFW I guess that's why DFW is the 8th largest O&D airport in the world's bu
33 Ssides : Preach on, ConcordeBoy. DFW's O&D is growing like crazy; only 35% four years ago; today it's about 60-65%. Given the numbers here, one can no longer s
34 Post contains images ConcordeBoy : unless QF suddenly decided to team with CO Technically... they already are partners... just not in the same alliance nor do they codeshare
35 Osteogenesis : ConcordeBoy, The 772LR can reach all of QF's N. American destinations except JFK nonstop yearround. They have, for now however, chosen to use the A388
36 Drew172 : Air New Zealand operated their DFW services via Papeete, the aircraft then continued on to London Gatwick. It was stated at the time of their order fo
37 MAH4546 : They aren't flying to ORD at all. The planned flight to ORD was going to be multiplexxed to provide a through flight number from SYD to ORD. But my po
38 Brons2 : LOL! Great post Dave. This 32 year old would be all in favor of banning everyone under 18.
39 Bartond : Or we could just keep talking about the subject at hand and if someone posts something wrong like before, just say "QF doesn't fly to ORD" instead of
40 Thadocta : Brons2 and Bartond, my post was deleted by the censors - so much for that much vaunted Merkin right to free speech. Seems like it is a case of "If you
41 JpetekYXMD80 : "LOL! Great post Dave. This 32 year old would be all in favor of banning everyone under 18." Ok, i am a paying member who is 17, try not to go into ar
42 Thadocta : JpetekYXMD80, I was not commenting on the ages of the posters, I was commenting on those who like to pretend that they are in positions of power withi
43 BNE : Part posted by THADOCTA then deleted. This thread is yet ANOTHER example of why Airliners.Net is universally recognised as a place to avoid - the numb
44 Bartond : Okay everyone knows what to do now so let's get back on this subject. I live in Dallas and love my hometown airport (DFW) and I hope that Qantas will
45 Jsnww81 : I'd certainly like to see QF at my hometown field of DFW (although I'm moving back up to Chicago later this month, so either way I win... nyuk nyuk ny
46 Aussie747 : This is a hot topic, stirring QF at the moment. QF will eventually fly SYD-DFW non stop but not at the current range even with the 747-400ER .The payl
47 Ssides : While I'd love to see a QF A380 at DFW, I have significant questions about the market justifying that large of a plane. I think you'd need tons of con
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