Alpha From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (9 years 10 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 4586 times:
Read the legend of this pic :
Photo by: VS photo (Date: 00.07.2003)
Airline: Virgin Atlantic [G-VFOX]
Type: Airbus A340-600
Airport: United Kingdom London, Heathrow (LHR)
Comment: Bereits Geschichte ist diese Anspielung der Virgin auf die Außerdienststellung der Concorde, die auf zwei A340-600 zu sehen war. / Already history is this slogan recently applied to a couple of Virgin A340s. Whether BA had taken legal action is not known.
GDB From United Kingdom, joined exactly 12 years ago today! , 12715 posts, RR: 80 Reply 2, posted (9 years 10 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 4479 times:
No, I don't think BA did anything, maybe Branson realised that smugness and gloating don't play well.
And that his Concorde plan is a pipe-dream, as Airbus told him 2 months ago.
AvObserver From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 2430 posts, RR: 10 Reply 3, posted (9 years 10 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 4331 times:
This slogan was an absolute disgrace! Branson should (but I'm certain isn't) be ashamed of himself!
Leezyjet From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 4041 posts, RR: 55 Reply 4, posted (9 years 10 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 4195 times:
It was placed on the a/c for the Biggin Hill airshow in which this a/c did a fly past. It wasn't intended to be a long term thing. It was just a matter of the a/c coming up for it's next hanger check for it to be removed.
"She Rolls, 45 knots, 90, 135, nose comes up to 20 degrees, she's airborne - She flies, Concorde Flies"
Futureualpilot From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2561 posts, RR: 8 Reply 5, posted (9 years 10 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 4152 times:
Leezyjet:
It still shouldn't have been there, short term or not, disgracing an a/c like the Concorde? I dont care who you are, thats just downright mean.
RIX From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 1785 posts, RR: 1 Reply 8, posted (9 years 10 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3930 times:
"It was disgracing BA not Concorde if you read it right" - ah, now I see. If that's the case, it's all right. Absolutely nothing wrong, just making an aircraft a tabloid - another "plain old Branson Humour".
"Maybe BA should do something bout it" - yes, to place a slogan like "VS can't keep it up either. Nor even has it" But it's too late - the guy suddenly realized it himself.
Cedarjet From United Kingdom, joined exactly 14 years ago today! , 7710 posts, RR: 55 Reply 9, posted (9 years 10 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3921 times:
I love the idea of turning a plane into a tabloid - oh wait, Hooters, right?
[Edited 2003-07-24 21:17:56]
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Leezyjet From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 4041 posts, RR: 55 Reply 11, posted (9 years 10 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3840 times:
Arsenal, I'm with you on that........
A major part of British humour is based on taking th p**s out of people. Thats all that slogan was, taking the p**s out of BA.
If the RAF can keep a fleet of old VC-10's and Nimrods flying for all these years sine they went out of production, I'm sure there is something that could be done to keep Concorde flying. It's just that the parties involved are not willing to spend the cash or put in the effort to make it happen.
BA are big enough to be able to look after themselves if they really want to. The reason VS and Branson in particular enjoy taking the p**s out of BA is due to the fact that BA is an 'old school' airline that despite all the changes they are trying to make are still very 'stiff upper lip' in the way that they do things. It's this that Branson is taking the p**s out of.
"She Rolls, 45 knots, 90, 135, nose comes up to 20 degrees, she's airborne - She flies, Concorde Flies"
RIX From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 1785 posts, RR: 1 Reply 12, posted (9 years 10 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3810 times:
"If the RAF can keep a fleet of old VC-10's and Nimrods flying for all these years..." - but somehow we see zero VC10s carrying passengers. Or, may be, the Virgin Dick wishes to get a few? "Some people clearly don't undersand classic British humour." - clearly, they don't. While some others clearly can't get basic facts and reasons repeated here in numerous threads... and it is still not over!
GDB From United Kingdom, joined exactly 12 years ago today! , 12715 posts, RR: 80 Reply 13, posted (9 years 10 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3776 times:
Branson run Concorde - don't make me laugh, because of AF and Airbus, BA cannot, and we know more about it than anyone.
He'd paint them in his shitty livery, then stick them in museums, anyway the price he's offered us is contemptible.
Leezyjet From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 4041 posts, RR: 55 Reply 14, posted (9 years 10 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 3718 times:
" but somehow we see zero VC10s carrying passengers."
The VC-10's do still carry passengers actually. They may not be fare paying members of the public, but passengers they still are and the fact is the old birds are still flying.
"While some others clearly can't get basic facts and reasons repeated here in numerous threads... and it is still not over!"
I've read all the posts about how Airbus are pulling the plug etc, how AF weren't interested/couldn't afford to keep them flying etc etc. But some people believe it's worth fighting for. Why should we just accept it just because BA and Airbus say so ?. If someone is prepared to spend the cash and do what it takes, why shouldn't they be given the chance ?. Yeah they might f*ck it up, but at least they tried to do something rather than just bury their head in the sand like most other people. What a differant place the world would be if when told something we all just accepted it and believed what we were being told rather then fighting for what we believed in.
"She Rolls, 45 knots, 90, 135, nose comes up to 20 degrees, she's airborne - She flies, Concorde Flies"
Futureualpilot From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2561 posts, RR: 8 Reply 15, posted (9 years 10 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 3703 times:
RIX From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 1785 posts, RR: 1 Reply 17, posted (9 years 10 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3633 times:
"The VC-10's do still carry passengers actually" - Leezyjet, you know what I mean. Of those VC10s still flying none is in regular airline service. Which doesn't prove anything by itself but shows that saying "old VC-10's... flying for all these years" has nothing to do with the topic either.
"But some people believe it's worth fighting for. Why should we just accept it just because BA and Airbus say so ?." - fighting whom? Windmills? "Airbus say so" - yes, Airbus say no support after October - how do you suggest to fight this? By writing cheap slogans on your aircraft? OK, but then, at least, write "Airbus can't keep it up" - why don't you? Did they tell him, "OK, we will support you - just get the aircraft from BA"? Plus, why isn't he trying to get the AF aircraft - right now, while technically at least some of them still can be brought back to the sky? Because he doesn't give a crap about keeping the bird flying. He is just using the situation to attack BA. BTW, you confirmed it yourself: "VS and Branson in particular enjoy taking the p**s out of BA". Here it is! (Says pretty much about the guy, BTW... enjoying "taking the p**s out" of somebody - good business for an adult - supposedly - person!) But some people just believe hype and slogans, not facts and arguments. Feel free to do so, but then don't cry, "they fooled me!!!" Oh, yes, but that's what you wanted...
LH423 From Canada, joined Jul 1999, 6501 posts, RR: 55 Reply 18, posted (9 years 10 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3608 times:
If the RAF can keep a fleet of old VC-10's and Nimrods flying for all these years sine they went out of production, I'm sure there is something that could be done to keep Concorde flying. It's just that the parties involved are not willing to spend the cash or put in the effort to make it happen.
Big difference is that BA is a publicly-traded company with a bottom line and can't be spending gobs of money to keep an, albeit cool yet ageing aircraft in the air. However, the RAF is an arm of the British government, and governments tend to have pockets a bit deeper when it comes to defence than an airline.
LH423
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Jetstreamer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2001, 329 posts, RR: 4 Reply 19, posted (9 years 10 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3568 times:
"He'd paint them in his shitty livery" - that's rich coming from a BA employee.
Those world tail designs were such a resounding success!!!!
Sir Richard does not need to spend half as much time having a dig at BA as they're doing a pretty good job of shooting themselves in the foot with unofficial strike action. It was nice of them to send extra passengers our way.
With the imminent launch of the Upper Class Suite it's only a matter of time before we look after more of BAs premium passengers.
If BA had been so offended by the slogan on G-VFOX they could have taken legal action. In the end they saw it for what it was - just a bit of harmless banter between old rivals.
GDB From United Kingdom, joined exactly 12 years ago today! , 12715 posts, RR: 80 Reply 20, posted (9 years 10 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3529 times:
At least BA staff have a union to represent them.
Who liked the world tails, no one I know?
But BA makes mistakes, so do Virgin, but Virgin's PR is all about 'no bad news....ever'.
One day it will bite them.
Jetstreamer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2001, 329 posts, RR: 4 Reply 21, posted (9 years 10 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3506 times:
We have a union as well. However what is the point of union representation when the staff decided to walk out anyway?
Nobody I know liked the world tails either which was my point exactly.
I agree that all companies make mistakes. Unfortunately we do not live in a perfect world. Surely the point of a PR department is to report the positives and not concentrate on the negatives.
GDB From United Kingdom, joined exactly 12 years ago today! , 12715 posts, RR: 80 Reply 23, posted (9 years 10 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3470 times:
Put it this way, Alistair Campbell looks to be looking for a new job soon, cannot think of a more suitable place for him than as Branson's PR man.
As to that walkout, it happened because some macho idiot thought it would look good to try to bypass the reps and discussions.
In this business it is a case of 'there for the grace of god go I', I'd not want to swap BA's problems for Virgin's if SIA pulled the plug.
RIX From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 1785 posts, RR: 1 Reply 24, posted (9 years 10 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3445 times:
"Those world tail designs... We have a union as well..." - so, now it is about colors and union. With no word to insist the whole "I wanna get it!!!" story was any serious. Finally. Good!
...Still, when do we see another "Give them to Virgin!!!" thread here?..
25 Leezyjet: Lets not forget one thing, it was only a few months ago that Branson and Virgin were in a position that they were going to buy BA out, not just Concor
26 GDB: What? VS don't like rivals making statements just to annoy? Get out the kitchen then. Yeah right, he was going to buy BA, one slight problem with that
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