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G-VFOX Concorde Slogan Removed!  
User currently offlineGVRGN From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2003, 8 posts, RR: 0
Posted (11 years 5 months 2 hours ago) and read 6350 times:

I've heard that this slogan has been removed from the side of G-VFOX. Have VS at long last accepted that the retirement will now happen in October ?

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User currently offlineAlpha From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (11 years 5 months 1 hour ago) and read 6300 times:

Read the legend of this pic :



Photo by: VS photo (Date: 00.07.2003)
Airline: Virgin Atlantic [G-VFOX]
Type: Airbus A340-600
Airport: United Kingdom London, Heathrow (LHR)
Comment: Bereits Geschichte ist diese Anspielung der Virgin auf die Außerdienststellung der Concorde, die auf zwei A340-600 zu sehen war. / Already history is this slogan recently applied to a couple of Virgin A340s. Whether BA had taken legal action is not known.

Steph


User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13252 posts, RR: 77
Reply 2, posted (11 years 5 months 1 hour ago) and read 6193 times:

No, I don't think BA did anything, maybe Branson realised that smugness and gloating don't play well.
And that his Concorde plan is a pipe-dream, as Airbus told him 2 months ago.



User currently offlineAvObserver From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 2474 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (11 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 6045 times:

This slogan was an absolute disgrace! Branson should (but I'm certain isn't) be ashamed of himself!  Pissed

User currently offlineLeezyjet From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 4042 posts, RR: 53
Reply 4, posted (11 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 5909 times:

It was placed on the a/c for the Biggin Hill airshow in which this a/c did a fly past. It wasn't intended to be a long term thing. It was just a matter of the a/c coming up for it's next hanger check for it to be removed.

 Smile



"She Rolls, 45 knots, 90, 135, nose comes up to 20 degrees, she's airborne - She flies, Concorde Flies"
User currently offlineFutureualpilot From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2608 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (11 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 5866 times:

Leezyjet:
It still shouldn't have been there, short term or not, disgracing an a/c like the Concorde? I dont care who you are, thats just downright mean.



Life is better when you surf.
User currently offlineLeezyjet From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 4042 posts, RR: 53
Reply 6, posted (11 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 5845 times:

Furtureualpilot,

It's called Humour. Thats all it was just plain old British Humour, which SRB and VS is renowned for especially where BA is concerned.

It was in no way disgracing Concorde. It was disgracing BA not Concorde if you read it right.

 Smile



"She Rolls, 45 knots, 90, 135, nose comes up to 20 degrees, she's airborne - She flies, Concorde Flies"
User currently offlineAirplanepics From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2003, 2739 posts, RR: 40
Reply 7, posted (11 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 5772 times:

The Slogan was cool, and funny! Maybe BA should do something bout it, hint hint.  Big grin

Airplanepics



Simon - London-Aviation.com
User currently offlineRIX From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 1787 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (11 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 5644 times:

"It was disgracing BA not Concorde if you read it right" - ah, now I see. If that's the case, it's all right. Absolutely nothing wrong, just making an aircraft a tabloid - another "plain old Branson Humour".

"Maybe BA should do something bout it" - yes, to place a slogan like "VS can't keep it up either. Nor even has it" But it's too late - the guy suddenly realized it himself.


User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8188 posts, RR: 54
Reply 9, posted (11 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 5635 times:

I love the idea of turning a plane into a tabloid - oh wait, Hooters, right?

[Edited 2003-07-24 21:17:56]


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User currently offlineArsenal@LHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 7792 posts, RR: 19
Reply 10, posted (11 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 5587 times:
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Some people clearly don't undersand classic British humour.



In Arsene we trust!!
User currently offlineLeezyjet From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 4042 posts, RR: 53
Reply 11, posted (11 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 5554 times:

Arsenal, I'm with you on that........ Big grin

A major part of British humour is based on taking th p**s out of people. Thats all that slogan was, taking the p**s out of BA.

If the RAF can keep a fleet of old VC-10's and Nimrods flying for all these years sine they went out of production, I'm sure there is something that could be done to keep Concorde flying. It's just that the parties involved are not willing to spend the cash or put in the effort to make it happen.

BA are big enough to be able to look after themselves if they really want to. The reason VS and Branson in particular enjoy taking the p**s out of BA is due to the fact that BA is an 'old school' airline that despite all the changes they are trying to make are still very 'stiff upper lip' in the way that they do things. It's this that Branson is taking the p**s out of.

 Smile



"She Rolls, 45 knots, 90, 135, nose comes up to 20 degrees, she's airborne - She flies, Concorde Flies"
User currently offlineRIX From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 1787 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (11 years 4 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 5524 times:

"If the RAF can keep a fleet of old VC-10's and Nimrods flying for all these years..." - but somehow we see zero VC10s carrying passengers. Or, may be, the Virgin Dick wishes to get a few? "Some people clearly don't undersand classic British humour." - clearly, they don't. While some others clearly can't get basic facts and reasons repeated here in numerous threads... and it is still not over!

User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13252 posts, RR: 77
Reply 13, posted (11 years 4 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 5490 times:

Branson run Concorde - don't make me laugh, because of AF and Airbus, BA cannot, and we know more about it than anyone.
He'd paint them in his shitty livery, then stick them in museums, anyway the price he's offered us is contemptible.


User currently offlineLeezyjet From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 4042 posts, RR: 53
Reply 14, posted (11 years 4 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 5432 times:

" but somehow we see zero VC10s carrying passengers."

The VC-10's do still carry passengers actually. They may not be fare paying members of the public, but passengers they still are and the fact is the old birds are still flying.

"While some others clearly can't get basic facts and reasons repeated here in numerous threads... and it is still not over!"

I've read all the posts about how Airbus are pulling the plug etc, how AF weren't interested/couldn't afford to keep them flying etc etc. But some people believe it's worth fighting for. Why should we just accept it just because BA and Airbus say so ?. If someone is prepared to spend the cash and do what it takes, why shouldn't they be given the chance ?. Yeah they might f*ck it up, but at least they tried to do something rather than just bury their head in the sand like most other people. What a differant place the world would be if when told something we all just accepted it and believed what we were being told rather then fighting for what we believed in.

 Smile



"She Rolls, 45 knots, 90, 135, nose comes up to 20 degrees, she's airborne - She flies, Concorde Flies"
User currently offlineFutureualpilot From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2608 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (11 years 4 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 5417 times:

Leezyjet:
My apologies, I did read it wrong!



Life is better when you surf.
User currently offlineBoeing4ever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (11 years 4 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 5393 times:

BA should've painted "Branson couldn't keep Concorde up if he was God" on their Concs!  Laugh out loud

B4e-Forever New Frontiers


User currently offlineRIX From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 1787 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (11 years 4 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 5347 times:

"The VC-10's do still carry passengers actually" - Leezyjet, you know what I mean. Of those VC10s still flying none is in regular airline service. Which doesn't prove anything by itself but shows that saying "old VC-10's... flying for all these years" has nothing to do with the topic either.

"But some people believe it's worth fighting for. Why should we just accept it just because BA and Airbus say so ?." - fighting whom? Windmills? "Airbus say so" - yes, Airbus say no support after October - how do you suggest to fight this? By writing cheap slogans on your aircraft? OK, but then, at least, write "Airbus can't keep it up" - why don't you? Did they tell him, "OK, we will support you - just get the aircraft from BA"? Plus, why isn't he trying to get the AF aircraft - right now, while technically at least some of them still can be brought back to the sky? Because he doesn't give a crap about keeping the bird flying. He is just using the situation to attack BA. BTW, you confirmed it yourself: "VS and Branson in particular enjoy taking the p**s out of BA". Here it is! (Says pretty much about the guy, BTW... enjoying "taking the p**s out" of somebody - good business for an adult - supposedly - person!) But some people just believe hype and slogans, not facts and arguments. Feel free to do so, but then don't cry, "they fooled me!!!" Oh, yes, but that's what you wanted...


User currently offlineLH423 From Canada, joined Jul 1999, 6501 posts, RR: 54
Reply 18, posted (11 years 4 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 5322 times:

If the RAF can keep a fleet of old VC-10's and Nimrods flying for all these years sine they went out of production, I'm sure there is something that could be done to keep Concorde flying. It's just that the parties involved are not willing to spend the cash or put in the effort to make it happen.

Big difference is that BA is a publicly-traded company with a bottom line and can't be spending gobs of money to keep an, albeit cool yet ageing aircraft in the air. However, the RAF is an arm of the British government, and governments tend to have pockets a bit deeper when it comes to defence than an airline.

LH423



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User currently offlineJetstreamer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2001, 329 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (11 years 4 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 5282 times:

"He'd paint them in his shitty livery" - that's rich coming from a BA employee.
Those world tail designs were such a resounding success!!!!

Sir Richard does not need to spend half as much time having a dig at BA as they're doing a pretty good job of shooting themselves in the foot with unofficial strike action. It was nice of them to send extra passengers our way.

With the imminent launch of the Upper Class Suite it's only a matter of time before we look after more of BAs premium passengers.

If BA had been so offended by the slogan on G-VFOX they could have taken legal action. In the end they saw it for what it was - just a bit of harmless banter between old rivals.




User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13252 posts, RR: 77
Reply 20, posted (11 years 4 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 5243 times:

At least BA staff have a union to represent them.
Who liked the world tails, no one I know?
But BA makes mistakes, so do Virgin, but Virgin's PR is all about 'no bad news....ever'.
One day it will bite them.


User currently offlineJetstreamer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2001, 329 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (11 years 4 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 5220 times:

We have a union as well. However what is the point of union representation when the staff decided to walk out anyway?

Nobody I know liked the world tails either which was my point exactly.

I agree that all companies make mistakes. Unfortunately we do not live in a perfect world. Surely the point of a PR department is to report the positives and not concentrate on the negatives.


User currently offlineG-CIVP From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 1336 posts, RR: 10
Reply 22, posted (11 years 4 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 5193 times:

Just to follow on from GDB's comments, alot of BA staff weren't too happy with the idea of the Utopia tail idea before it was ever implemented.

As for Concordes being operated in the slate grey/silver of Virgin, I thought all Concordes had to be predominately white for some technical reason.


User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13252 posts, RR: 77
Reply 23, posted (11 years 4 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 5184 times:

Put it this way, Alistair Campbell looks to be looking for a new job soon, cannot think of a more suitable place for him than as Branson's PR man.
As to that walkout, it happened because some macho idiot thought it would look good to try to bypass the reps and discussions.
In this business it is a case of 'there for the grace of god go I', I'd not want to swap BA's problems for Virgin's if SIA pulled the plug.





User currently offlineRIX From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 1787 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (11 years 4 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 5159 times:

"Those world tail designs... We have a union as well..." - so, now it is about colors and union. With no word to insist the whole "I wanna get it!!!" story was any serious. Finally. Good!

...Still, when do we see another "Give them to Virgin!!!" thread here?..


25 Post contains images Leezyjet : Lets not forget one thing, it was only a few months ago that Branson and Virgin were in a position that they were going to buy BA out, not just Concor
26 GDB : What? VS don't like rivals making statements just to annoy? Get out the kitchen then. Yeah right, he was going to buy BA, one slight problem with that
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