Flyboy80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1897 posts, RR: 3 Posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4105 times:
I know Alaska codeshares with a lot of airlines when it comes to hawaii, but hey, they have been expanding, and SEA- Hawaii has had a lot of market. I would really like to see them compete in an OAK-HNL flight or PDX-HNL. If North American airlines can fly from BOI to Hawaii (I forgot the exact city, think its going to be OGG though) then AS should get in the market!Something in me says they could pull it off!
Timbotch From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 34 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4005 times:
I seriously doubt this would ever happen, here's why...
First, Im pretty sure our 7/900's would have to get ETOPS certified for such a long over the ocean flight. I have no idea what this would cost, but we would have to convert ALL of them since we don't close circuit our aircraft.
Second, I heard somewhere at work that so many tickets to Hawaii would be bought by using mileage plan points that no profit could be made. Not sure if this is true.
Luv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12238 posts, RR: 46
Reply 4, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 3997 times:
As a charter the risk is less for the airline as the tour operator is footing the bill, unless they go under or have money problems, tho if operated correctly the DOT has plans in place to prevent a lot of this from happening.
B767400ER From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 52 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 3950 times:
Well, I think it's a big possibility. It'd be nice to see some smaller airlines servicing the Hawaii market. Here, AQ uses 737-700's to go daily to many west coast cities, which include Vancouver, Oakland, Burbank, and Santa Ana. HA already has a charter to Anchorage so I think Alaska can supplement.
And to respond about the mileage burn off tickets to Hawaii, while some of that is true, some of it is not. AQ is making money as is HA and numerous others. Of course I can't firmly confirm it, but my educated guess is that Hawaii routing is no longer such a loss to airlines.
SRD737NG From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 136 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3817 times:
The over water flying is where Aloha Airlines is making their money, not the inter-island flying!! The same goes for Hawaiian. Hawaii as a vacation destination is becoming more and more popular with travelers these days. I'm sure that is why more airlines are expanding service here. With the state of the world right now, I agree with B767400ER that Hawaii routing is not going to be a loss for airlines anytime soon.
IloveBOI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3793 times:
There has been A LOT of talk between Anchorage and Honolulu. They haven't started it yet but it is a good possiblilty in the future.
Through a contract with North American Airlines, Hawaiian Vacations is announcing new Scheduled Charter services from BOI-OGG, using a 757. First flight planned to be November 11(I think). North American Airlines is also doing GEG-OGG, using the 757.
Ctbarnes From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3491 posts, RR: 49
Reply 9, posted (11 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3783 times:
You're not too far off Timbotch. The ETOPS certs would be expensive, plus AA and UA's yields on their Hawaii runs are terrible. It's mostly people on package tours, a few transfers to the Far East and the South Pacific, and, as you say, people spending their miles. The airlines are content to use them as loss leaders though to keep their customers happy, plus Hawaii has always been a prestige destination, particularly in UA's case.
The customer isn't a moron, she is your wife -David Ogilvy