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Which "failed" Plane Should Be More Popular?  
User currently offlineNoelG From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (11 years 1 month 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 5418 times:

I was reading the article about the 717 in Airliner World this month, and thought what a nice aircraft it was. Its a shame that it hasn't been more successful, would love to see these aircraft in more liveries!!

What "failed" aircraft (that flew or never got past the design stage) would you like to see more of now?

NoelG

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User currently onlineAJ From Australia, joined Nov 1999, 2391 posts, RR: 24
Reply 1, posted (11 years 1 month 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 5401 times:

Classified as overall failures but fond in my heart:
Boeing 767-400
Boeing 747SP
Boeing 747X
Fokker 70/100


User currently offlineGoAround From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 616 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (11 years 1 month 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 5397 times:

Ooh... declaring the 717 project failed. That could be controversial  Big grin I'll keep out of this one!

GoAround



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User currently offlineMike77 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 203 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (11 years 1 month 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 5384 times:

The MD-11. I don't know if it was considered a failure, but I do know that it did not meet expectations due to a variety of reasons. I love those planes, and wish that more airlines flew them. I have never been on an MD-11, unfortunately. I have flown many times on the DC-10's on American, Northwest and Western, and I had always imagined the MD-11 to be a more powerful, sleeker version of those DC-10's.

To AJ: Why were the 747SP and 764 aircraft considered failures? I'm sorry to hear that. Those are cool planes!


User currently offlinePetertenthije From Netherlands, joined Jul 2001, 3369 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (11 years 1 month 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 5329 times:

F70/100
FD-728
Tu-204
That westernized Il-96 (forgot name).
Concorde!



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User currently offlineAirplanepics From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2003, 2734 posts, RR: 40
Reply 5, posted (11 years 1 month 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 5304 times:

Petertejthije,
Come on, Conocrde never really failed did it? Its been in service for over 40 years and theres not much aircraft around now that have been in service for that long. Conocrde is being used more than twice a day. Its a shame that concorde wasnt' bought by other airlines. But I think its been an excellent 40 years for these birds. And its a shame that BA are retiring them. In my opinion Conocrde has been one of the most successful aircraft of all time, due to its long service and style!

regards,
Airplanepics



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User currently offlinePetertenthije From Netherlands, joined Jul 2001, 3369 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (11 years 1 month 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 5288 times:

Come on, Conocrde never really failed did it?

It may have flown a lot of miles, but a sales run of 15 or thereabouts can't be called succesful!



Attamottamotta!
User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8115 posts, RR: 53
Reply 7, posted (11 years 1 month 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 5292 times:

The 747SP is a strange one for me, one of the routes it was specifically designed for was NYC - Tokyo nonstop, which the 747 classic couldn't do. Why JAL never bought any is a complete mystery. Maybe their flight attendents liked the stuffed polar bear in the lounge at Anchorage.


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User currently offlineLutfi From China, joined Sep 2000, 775 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (11 years 1 month 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 5221 times:

VC10

B767 "humpback"

Saab 2000

Comet IV

A330-400

B7J7 (propfan)


User currently offlineAmerican 767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3797 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (11 years 1 month 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 5149 times:
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The Dassault Mercure was definitely a failure. Only 12 were built, 11 of which went into service with French domestic airline Air Inter, the only operator of the type. Not only it wasn't successful but it was the only jetliner Dassault has ever made. I can understand that airlines much prefered the B737 over the Mercure because it had a short range compared to its US rival, but Dassault could have designed a Mercure ER to attract other carriers and compete with US built B737. I don't understand why not even Air France, France's major flag carrier, was interested in the Mercure.

Ben Soriano
Brussels Belgium



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User currently offlineAlessandro From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (11 years 1 month 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 5137 times:

Tu-144 get my vote....


User currently offlineDIJKKIJK From France, joined Jul 2003, 1802 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (11 years 1 month 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 5052 times:

The HS-748 is a really good aircraft, and wasn't too popular.
I've flown in it several times, a nice tough little airplane.


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User currently offlineVS340 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (11 years 1 month 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 5014 times:

The Vickers VC-10, the De Havilland Comet, and the L1011 Tristar

User currently offlineL1011Fan From United States of America, joined May 2003, 271 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (11 years 1 month 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 4964 times:

The L1011 was a partial failure with 250 being sold.

User currently offlineSllevin From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 3376 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (11 years 1 month 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 4811 times:

Convair's 990! How could you not love a plane with radical wing sweep, Whitcomb fairings ("speed humps") on the wings, and big rear-fan engines?

From a pilot's perspective, I've never met a pilot that flew one that didn't love it. I've had former 990 pilots talk about how great it was for hours on end!

Steve


User currently offlineFanofjets From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 1985 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (11 years 1 month 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 4806 times:

The Vickers Vanguard was a fine aircraft but quickly outclassed by more modern equipment.

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At least she got a new lease on life with cargo airlines....



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User currently offlineTom in NO From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 7194 posts, RR: 32
Reply 16, posted (11 years 1 month 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 4777 times:

The L-1011 was one of the most popular civilian aircraft ever built, both with pilots and passengers. It was one of the biggest technological successes ever. It never suffered a crash due to the aircraft itself.

Unfortunately, it was a financial nightmare. I just finished reading "End of an Era: My Story of the L-1011" by James West, former President and CEO of Lockheed. An excellent book on the 1011, which, due to attitudes within Lockheed's high-level administration, was likely doomed from the start.

Tom at MSY



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User currently offlineDIA From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3273 posts, RR: 27
Reply 17, posted (11 years 1 month 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 4733 times:

How about the A342, the 753 and the 736? The Dassault Mercure was a good example above too. I suggest these with only sheer order numbers compare to "successful" airliners. These three just haven't sold well.


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User currently offlineBoeing727 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 954 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (11 years 1 month 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 4685 times:

What about the B747-300, not many sold either.

Boeing727


User currently offlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 8017 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (11 years 1 month 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 4662 times:

I think the reason why JL never bought the 747SP was the fact the major sacrifice in pax/cargo capacity was something JL disliked. So when the 747-200B versions with more efficient engines and the ability to carry extra fuel capacity became available to JL, they bought this plane instead, which could fly from JFK to NRT with only a small sacrifice in pax/cargo capacity compared with the regular 747-200B. Indeed, one of these specially-made JL 742B's is credited with the fastest flight from JFK to NRT--an amazing time of just over 11 hours!

User currently offlinePaulianer From Germany, joined Jul 2002, 875 posts, RR: 13
Reply 20, posted (11 years 1 month 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 4616 times:

Just one thought -> MD-11


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User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13208 posts, RR: 77
Reply 21, posted (11 years 1 month 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 4482 times:

VC-10, 747SP, Vanguard, BAC 1-11 (did ok, but with development of airframe and engines it could have done a lot better), Mercure (odd that the planned CFM-56 powered version was not proceded with), Bristol Britannia, CV-990.

Concorde has not been flying for 40 years, though it may seem like that!
Prototype first flew in 1969, first pax services in 1976.

Without this version, it is hard to see how further sales could have happened, but then we are probably talking about twice or three times as many sales, which would have made life much easier;
http://concordesst.com/concordeb.html

The HS-748 did OK sales wise, in production for over 20 years, though it helps to remember what 'good' sales are nowdays, you expect more sales as air travel has expanded into a bigger market.


User currently offlineGreg From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (11 years 1 month 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 4434 times:

There is absolutely no reason the MD-11 should have been more popular.

It was easitly outshadowed technically and economically by the 340 and 777.

Also, the inherent design flaws making it unstable in some flight regimes (slow speed flight) are again a good example of MD rushing a product to the marketplace. Had it been available five years earlier.....this post would likely not include the MD-11

It's may be nice for enthusiasts (definetely one of the more interesting looking aircraft)..but it was easitly overshadowed by much more capable competition.


User currently offlineNa From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10736 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (11 years 1 month 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 4413 times:

I would have wished more success for the 747SP. Hundreds of them instead of the comparatively boring 777 that is of similar size and range will remain a dream.

User currently offlineTonyctnyc From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (11 years 1 month 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 4409 times:

Hey DIJKKIJK:

Check again -- the BAe/HS 748 was very definitely popular - - though not as popular as its rival, The Fokker F27 (my favorite plane) , The 748 flew in large numbers all over the world !! In fact, small numbers, I'm sure, are still flying !

The 748 was the inspration for the bigger failure-- the ATP .. which was a newer model stretch of the 748 which sat approx 65. That bottomed out quickly, thank god. AN awful, ungainly, slow, bad plane.

To add to the list of failed planes, i wish the Fokker 50 was able to have had more of a chance !


25 ConcordeBoy : Concorde TU144 764ER 764ERX* 747X* 753 *never flew
26 Shankly : The King of them all is the beautiful VC-10. Loved by pilots, crew and pax alike it was slagged off by BOAC, in what turned out to be totally unjustif
27 Trintocan : The Mercure - THAT is the one. Now if only it had better range characteristics it would have sold more and thus given greater impetus for the later CF
28 Elwood64151 : GoAround: I've never been one to choose the "better part of valor"! I would choose the MD-90. Only, what? 120 were built? Something like that. Anyway,
29 CV990 : Hi! My creteria for this topic is actually the number of airframes produced. I can't put in that list the L1011 or the MD11 because actually they had
30 Jetdeltamsy : the 717 project. very nice equipment.
31 BR715-A1-30 : As popular as the DC-9 was, the 717 should be making just as popular. ALL DC9 operators should be replacing their 9s with 712s. JMHO
32 Post contains images Sayem55 : Here is my list 1) DeHaviland Comet: - It was the first commercial jet. 2) Tu-144:- First supersonic commercial jet...rolled-out before Concorde. 3) D
33 MD-90 : MD-90 and MD-11 (too bad a new wing wasn't possible for either of them) VC-10 Caravelle 717 still has hope I'd say the L-1011 was successful enough no
34 Marcopolo747 : The VC-10 is top on the list for me ! I had the opportunity to fly VCP(S.Paulo - Viracopos) to LGW with British Caledonian in it and it has impressed
35 Skymileman : First thing that Popped into my mind was the Dassault Mercure. I don't know the details on why it was unpopular, but it is cool looking, and that is g
36 Skymileman : Oh, I forgot One Thing, It hurt when Fairchild-Dornier went down, I was looking forward to seeing the 728, 928, and 528 in commercial service.
37 USAir330 : The Spruce Goose!!!! Nothing else to say...
38 IMissPiedmont : I see a lot of people think the VC-10, Caravelle, Comet, L-1011 and MD-11 as failures. That's quite intersting as all were quite successful in their o
39 Post contains links and images MasseyBrown : It's not a commercial airliner, but I'm sorry the Beech/Raytheon Starship wasn't more successful. View Large View MediumPhoto © Tim Lachenmaier
40 Codeshare : MD-11 all the way. I think there were even plans of and MD-12X. I wonder if Boeing scrapped the 777 project, would it redesign the MD-11? Next up: 767
41 ERJ135 : Not a failure as such but I would love to have seen the A340 with propfan engines as was originally planned, it's just a pity the engine manufacturers
42 GDB : The VC-10 was designed for routes to Africa and the far East for BOAC, allowing a jet to operate out of restricted airfields, hence it's superb perfor
43 Post contains images Angelairways : the VC-10 yep agree with post 42... so then the russians at Ilyushin liked the idea, made the Il-62 et voila... they're still flying actively in servi
44 Post contains links and images Airsicknessbag : I´m really surprised no one mentioned the VFW 614 so far (how unpatriotic of Paulianer and Na ) - the first airliner to be built in post war Germany.
45 BHXviscount : Reading through all the posts above it seems that a "failed " aircraft means different things to different people. Try applying the following to some
46 Post contains links S.p.a.s. : The CBA-123 Vector...(http://www.planepictures.net/netshow.cgi?120480 and off course de MD11 could have been more successful.. Cheers RS
47 Srbmod : What's interesting is that Embraer looked at putting the engines on the ERJ in much the same manner as the VFW 614, but the idea died pretty quick. Th
48 AvObserver : NoelG, you're jumping the gun with the 717 which appears to have future prospects with existing operators and is being touted to the Star Alliance. AJ
49 Jrlander : I would have to say the 767-400. I wish Boeing had built it with more range from the start, and had built it a bit earlier. I think that many more wou
50 GDB : The problem with making Concorde any longer would have been that you'd need to have an area-ruled fuselage for aerodynamic reasons, meaning new produc
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